The Edge

[bucont]

NBC to censor The Edge.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=346610945362707&id=178184682258177

Make me wonder what they'll do when Tebow takes the knee.

[Shellback]

Can someone find a link to NBC so we can voice our displeasure?

[Juls]

Can someone find a link to NBC so we can voice our displeasure?

Found this at the bottom of the site at http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/

NBC Sports Feedback:

nbcsportshelp@nbcuni.com

Juls

[Hot Runr Guy]

In the Chicago area, Linders Edge show is on the TLN (Total Living Network) network on Saturday mornings, I'll have to watch to see if the show has been "tweaked" there too.

TLN is a Christian-focused network, so I imagine that they'll leave the religious aspect alone.

HRG

[fishing life]

One must chose ones battles. I am sorry that Mr. Linder will be be censored and happy that his show will still be aired. Knowing who and what Al is all about, still being on air will serve as a reminder of his values. Here the real issue is censorship and the way it is being used to erode our freedoms. With each issue we all lose, because what will be the next freedom taken from us and who will be the next target.

[Golden Eagle]

He's got to play by their rules now. If his beliefs are so strong, why is he giving in instead of going elsewhere? Obviously he's driven by the almighty dollar, which goes against what he's been preaching all this time. Kind of puts it all into perspective. Stick with what you believe in, or give in and cash the check. 'Money is the root of all evil', yet he chooses that path, even though it goes against his beliefs. Ironic and sad at the same time. He;s willing to let his followers down, as long as there's a check involved. Typical hypochristian. Check please!!!

Most likely Al is simply honoring his current contracts with the network and his sponsors. It's not a 1 man operation. Al signs the front of several pay checks. He's being responsible until a sensible change can be made.

Go easy.

[Jimmy Jig]

I get the show on FoxNorth, Sat. AM, should not be any trouble with Fox. What would anyone expect out of NBC??? I hope they are no longer around soon!

[Golden]

This is a touchy subject and basically a religious subject.

Keep TO the subject (which is NBC not allowing religious content) but do it without stripping the integrity from any person or company.

If this gets out of control we will nuke it, so discuss like adults or be treated like children.

[Shellback]

Really hypocritical of NBC to force Linder to remove a small segment of the show that reflects his Christian beliefs, but they have no problem airing shows of murder mayhem, rape, etc, etc. Those of us who don't care for those types of shows are expected to "just not watch them". Shouldn't the same reasoning be applied to folks who object to Al's Christian segment of the show.

[fishing life]

The real issues are about fishing and the loss of freedoms. Happy to say I can still learn more about fishing from Al, sad to say fishing could be the next on the hit list of freedoms lost!

[Golden]

I agree with Shellback.......with the same train of thought that should be applied to this message board.

If you don't like a topic....don't read that topic ;-)

If you don't like a TV show....don't watch the TV show.

Simple stuff made difficult ..... sigh...

[karpbuster]

I love Al's show and his devotions at the end of the show. Just makes me sad that this goes on. I have noticed thru the years that if you don't stand for anything always neutral, you lose your impact on things of importance. I believe one door closes and another one opens.

[waterwalker]

I watch Al on other networks and get the entire show. I gave up on NBC and other major networks years ago and haven't missed them a bit. :boxing:

[Gordon Sumner]

I agree with Shellback.......with the same train of thought that should be applied to this message board.

If you don't like a topic....don't read that topic ;-)

If you don't like a TV show....don't watch the TV show.

Simple stuff made difficult ..... sigh...

In that same line of thought, if Mr Linder didn't like that the network chose to omit the 'thumping' segment of the show, he should have moved on. I wonder what the contract with Versus said about that segment of the show. Surely (I would think), something must have been included to give Al freedom to do what he wanted. I would think that NBC either would have to honor that contract, or write a new one with the omission of the last few minutes of the show. Either way, the almighty dollar prevailed. With the $30 million he got from In Fisherman, surely he could have walked away and still have been able to pay his electric bill.

[wet dream]

sent my email. Doesn't do any good to complain to each other. Take the bull by the horn or get run over. I may not have a big impact but I can atleast do my part.

[thump55]

In that same line of thought, if Mr Linder didn't like that the network chose to omit the 'thumping' segment of the show, he should have moved on. I wonder what the contract with Versus said about that segment of the show. Surely (I would think), something must have been included to give Al freedom to do what he wanted. I would think that NBC either would have to honor that contract, or write a new one with the omission of the last few minutes of the show. Either way, the almighty dollar prevailed. With the $30 million he got from In Fisherman, surely he could have walked away and still have been able to pay his electric bill.

When you actually have any facts regarding the contract details, please let us know. Until then your assumptions are baseless.

[Shellback]

I noticed some folks think Al should have just walked away from NBC after they censored his show, and the reason he didn't was a money thing. Did anyone consider that Al might have decided to hang in there for the benefit of his audience? Good fishing shows are few and far between. I'm sure it would have disappointed many fishermen, and left them with one less show to watch. Sure he's making so big bucks, but I think he is also providing a good quality fishing show. From some of the responses here, you would think Al rejected his religion because he agreed to NBC's demands.

[pepe]

i for one love his show and i like his message at the end of his show. if you had been watching him long enough you would have heard him say that if he had not been involved in the fishing industry, he would have liked to be an evangilist. he is trying to fulfill his dream and i aplaud him for it....pepe

[bassin08]

I watched his show today and I didn't understand why he did not have a Christian message at the end of the show. I really like that part of his show.

NBC= Never Born Christian

[Gordon Sumner]

Maybe they thought it was 'Nuther Boring Comment, or No Bs Commentary

[Captains Chair]

I noticed some folks think Al should have just walked away from NBC after they censored his show, and the reason he didn't was a money thing. Did anyone consider that Al might have decided to hang in there for the benefit of his audience? Good fishing shows are few and far between. I'm sure it would have disappointed many fishermen, and left them with one less show to watch. Sure he's making so big bucks, but I think he is also providing a good quality fishing show. From some of the responses here, you would think Al rejected his religion because he agreed to NBC's demands.

+1 and very well said. Al has made his living doing what he and I would think most of us only wish we could do. To fish and make a great living doing so and teaching others how to has made me both respect and envy him and his families accomplishments. IMO, Al has made this sport better for his work.

Chair

[CRB ul]

Maybe they thought it was 'Nuther Boring Comment, or No Bs Commentary

Maybe you should step back for a second and ask yourself "What is it about Christianity that scares me so much?" Might answer some questions.

[ozarkeyes]

Lindner Media has produced a show and in order to cover the cost of producing that show Lindner Media have product sponsors who have "contracted" to have their products used and shown on the show, and their contract would in all probability have language that states the show would be aired on 1, 2, 3 or 4 different radio and tv networks.

So all those who think Al is just cowering down to NBC and just wants to take the money and forego his personal beliefs, you need to wake up and smell the coffee. There are other people and obligations that must be considered and Al just can't make a knee jerk reaction to this situation. Besides Al has stated he has some appearance obligations in California this weekend, and he will sit down and think through the NBC Sports situation after the weekend.

[bellbuoy]

I just sent a message to our local NBC affiliate in Indianapolis about my displeasure. This is ridiculous.

[Gregger]

Really? 2 minutes is too much to take?

I thought thumping was telling people they were going to He_ _ if they don't have Christ and stuff like that. All I ever heard Al do was pass along things that he found relevant (a devotional, book, article, etc.). You know, like TV fishing personalities that pass along tips for catching more fish.

[guest2]

NBC and their anti-Christian bigotry. Stuff like this makes me want to watch another network. Meanwhile it is fine to have shows on with murder, drugs, and mayhem. Boo on NBC. What else is NBC going to censor?

[walleyeguy13]

Let me first qualify this by being clear that I have no problem with Al's message. But NBC is running a massive business. If we follow the line of reasoning that a person can simply turn the channel if they don't like the religious message then NBC has a problem. NBC doesn't want you to turn the channel. They want you right there to look at the next advertisement that pops up. While it would be nice to think that it would be a simple matter for NBC to stand up for what is "right" and allow Al to continue with his message, there probably isn't much room for altruism in network television. The bottom line is that they are in business to make a profit and something about this situation has led the powers-that-be to believe they are in position to lose money if it continues.

Scott has been very clear on this forum that there will be no political discussion and we all abide by it. He even left a message in this thread that religion was a touchy subject... which it is. I don't see NBC as being any different. They don't want trouble, they want viewers. If a non-christian wants to learn how Al slams monster walleyes on deep weed edges, that's what NBC wants to give them... with as many Berkley, St. Croix, Lund and Northland commercials jammed between segments as possible.

So while some might believe that this is a religious issue, I would respectfully suggest that this is a business issue.

[guest2]

If this IS a business decision, then why offend the christians and motivate them to watch the show on another channel? I do find this offensive. Bigotry was never a good business decision.

[walleyeguy13]

If this IS a business decision, then why offend the christians and motivate them to watch the show on another channel? I do find this offensive. Bigotry was never a good business decision.


Well... This sort of goes with what Shellback mentioned several posts back. Why would NBC cut this but expect us to flip the channel on all the other crap they air? I think the answer is fairly obvious. They air those other programs because people watch them. Lots of people. I'm guessing that NBC has made a calculated decision that they stand to lose more viewers by airing "non-fishing" content than they do by not airing it.

[guest2]

Ah.... NBC Sports is related to MSNBC. That could explain a heck of a lot in this decision.

[Gordon Sumner]

If this IS a business decision, then why offend the christians and motivate them to watch the show on another channel? I do find this offensive. Bigotry was never a good business decision.

Why is it offensive that a very short segment of a certain show is omitted? Because it was there before, but is no longer? As I asked earlier, would you be offended if someone of a different faith had a two minute segment at the end of a show that you watched preach the virtues of their faith, even if it didn't agree with your beliefs?

[GBS]

Well... This sort of goes with what Shellback mentioned several posts back. Why would NBC cut this but expect us to flip the channel on all the other crap they air? I think the answer is fairly obvious. They air those other programs because people watch them. Lots of people. I'm guessing that NBC has made a calculated decision that they stand to lose more viewers by airing "non-fishing" content than they do by not airing it.

I have to agree - NBC has decided it is featuring a fishing show, not a religion show. It is less problematic to make sure no one is bothered by the extra content, and thereby turned off, than it is to offend those who know its "supposed" to be there, and turn away because its not. Simple business math. Its their network to present what they want (within FCC guidelines, anyway). And if too few people watch, they may not ever draw the line connecting the dots. Too easy to blame the main programming as not being engaging enough to enough people.......
Myself, I don't mind Al's message, but I do prefer to keep my fishing and my religion shows seperated.....I understand the feelings of others that have a more integrated view of it all, though.

[guest2]

Why is it offensive that a very short segment of a certain show is omitted? Because it was there before, but is no longer? As I asked earlier, would you be offended if someone of a different faith had a two minute segment at the end of a show that you watched preach the virtues of their faith, even if it didn't agree with your beliefs?

If it was a different religion then yes I would NOT have a problem watching it. I would rather watch something inspirational vs. something that is junk. I do have a bigger problem with some of the crap that is on TV though. I do not see a need to convert Al to my religion. If Al feels that the inspirational part should be part of his show, then let him air his show.

What are they going to do to Tebow to force him to comply? I hope that they let him be Tebow. I also think that they should let Al Lindner be Al.

[guest2]

Why is it offensive that a very short segment of a certain show is omitted? Because it was there before, but is no longer?


Because it is anti-christian bigotry.

[Nimstug]

Ah.... NBC Sports is related to MSNBC. That could explain a heck of a lot in this decision. MSNBC leans far left. Many liberals have an anti-christian bias.

...and NBC, Universal Studios, etc is owned by Comcast..

If NBC Sports has a blanket policy against overt religious messages in all their programming, I have no problem with their decision. Remember there are Christian sects out there that some Christians don't think they are Christian.

Nimstug

I'll probably get crucified for this post...

[Gordon Sumner]

If it was a different religion then yes I would NOT have a problem watching it. I would rather watch something inspirational vs. something that is junk. I do have a bigger problem with some of the crap that is on TV though.

That is why they make remote controls for tv's, and put dials on radios. My cable package allows me about 800 channels. I probably watch twenty of them. I suggest you check your local listings for any 'inspirational' tv shows.

[guest2]

That is why they make remote controls for tv's, and put dials on radios. My cable package allows me about 800 channels. I probably watch twenty of them. I suggest you check your local listings for any 'inspirational' tv shows.

Are you saying that Tebow should change also?

[guest2]

...and NBC, Universal Studios, etc is owned by Comcast..

Remember there are Christian sects out there that some Christians don't think they are Christian.

Nimstug

I'll probably get crucified for this post...

Such as.

[Shellback]

Here's an interesting concept. I wonder if NBC would allow the segment if it was paid advertising?

[Esoxchaser]

Maybe I can start watching Linder again, without gagging. We all have our beliefs and some of us prefer to not try and convert everyone to our way of thinking. And we prefer to not have others try to thrust their beliefs upon us at any opportunity. It's supposed to be a fishing show, not a revival meeting.

[AllenW]

Maybe I can start watching Linder again, without gagging. We all have our beliefs and some of us prefer to not try and convert everyone to our way of thinking. And we prefer to not have others try to thrust their beliefs upon us at any opportunity. It's supposed to be a fishing show, not a revival meeting.


Kinda where I'm at, while the end of the program inspirational message might do wonders for some, I'd rather watch more fishing.
He (Al) wants to add this to his program, more power to him, it's his program.
I have a remote and can use that time to do something else, or those who want to can watch.

I'm assuming the network has decided that they don't want Al to end his show with a bit of religion and that's their choice to make.

I think most are going to continue to watch whether he has religion at the end of his show or not, he starts preaching during the show like a evangelist though and he'll lose me and probably a few other too.

I do agree with some that if he was indeed as religious as he makes out to be, he'd tell them to stuff it and take his program elsewhere, assuming he wasn't under some sort of contract though.

Al

[Leinie]

I do agree with some that if he was indeed as religious as he makes out to be, he'd tell them to stuff it and take his program elsewhere, assuming he wasn't under some sort of contract though.



What are the odds that there is not some sort of contract ?:fishhit:


1 of 3 things are in that contract
1) It gives NBC the right to edit content- In which case Al learns a lesson, completes the contract or gets sued
2) It gives Al total control of content- In which case Al will sue NBC to make them follow the terms
3) It says nothing about who controls content- Unless it's written on a bar napkin, this possibility is nil. But then a settlement will be negotiated.


I just find it interesting that anyone would have a problem with any kind of religious or secular inspirational message. Just look at the vile crap that we are exposed to on a daiy basis and tell me inspirational messages are a problem.

I hear radio messages from the Mormons ( or other religions that have a simple message- I'm not Mormon, but the message is universal. There are secular messages from groups all the time. I don't belong to them but the message may reveal something worth considering.
Either way it does me no harm to hear it.
Al's deal will come down to the contract specs and the next contract will be different.
Don't forget- if Al walks away, lot's of people don't get paychecks, and I doubt he want that.

[eriksat1]

I think the bottom line is they own the station and can control what they want on it. When you open your own network tv channel you can do the same. So stop whining. If you own a business and someone starts telling you how to run it, how would you feel?

[setdahook]

At some age in our lives we all make a commitment to our goals and what we are willing to do to achieve them.

Thank you Mr. Lindner

To all the other companies and people they have made the decision themselves on what they want to stand for. sad VERY sad.

[Vikings Fan]

So I read here NBC is taking the moral high road in this matter? No problem, I censored NBC off my TVs a long time ago due to their shameless political slanted reporting of the news.

[bucont]

Al has had the message at the end of the show for a while now.

The sponsors that advertise with them do not have issue with it and I am sure there are others that do and choose not to advertise.

I guess my questions are:
If the show was contracted in the current format, why does NBC just now see the need to force the change or edit it?
Are there advertisers pulling the dollars and thus forcing them to?
Are there inside forces within NBC pulling the strings? If this is the case then will they stop airing the Tebow type displays, the skyward pointing and the thank you's at the winning ceremonies in all sports?

Dollars and cents rules the airways, but then you must at least level the playing field for all!

[Gordon Sumner]

It's the separation of church and network, as it should be.

[guest2]

I think the bottom line is they own the station and can control what they want on it. When you open your own network tv channel you can do the same. So stop whining. If you own a business and someone starts telling you how to run it, how would you feel?

The fact of the matter is that Al Linder has had this on HIS show for a very long time. NBC Sports took up his show. And now they want to dictate what is on HIS show? This is anti-christian bigotry.

[guest2]

The fact of the matter is that Al Linder has had this on HIS show for a very long time. NBC Sports took up his show. And now they want to dictate what is on HIS show? This is anti-christian bigotry.

and censorship.

[tm7554]

The fact of the matter is that Al Linder has had this on HIS show for a very long time. NBC Sports took up his show. And now they want to dictate what is on HIS show? This is anti-christian bigotry.

Agree completely.

[guest2]

No one can answer the question how NBC Sports should "control" TEBOW to suppress his pro-Christian views. How are they going to enforce the rule with Tebow? I suppose that this is because it would violate Tebow's 2nd amendment freedom of speech rights.

[guest2]

It's the separation of church and network, as it should be.

I don't know where you think that this made up rule came from. It certainly was not from our founding fathers. If you look at our coins you will note the inscription "In God We Trust". Should the appearance of all coins be banned from TV? This censorship is something that you would expect to see from a communist country or the KGB.

[pepe]

i think we all can remmber when the fcc and the networks all use to censor the programs for foul language and nudity. i never thought that i would see the day that this country would censor for religious content. i remmember when red skelton use to end his program with, thank you for inviting me into your home and god bless. now days he would be censored. i see more and more of this going on and it bothers me very much. the movies are using the f... word more than ever inorder to get a "r" rating so more people will pay to see their movies.....pepe

[guest2]

Is NBC Sports going to block out the National Anthem? It has a religious message in it.

And this be our motto: "In God is our trust"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

[rschoening]

There are networks devoted to the Christian faith and spreading the word. Try those for your worship, and watch NBC Sports for fishing, hunting, hockey, etc. Maybe someone should pitch a religious show with the last segment focused on the different presentations of catching freshwater fish.

[Gordon Sumner]

It was a sarcastic comment, guest.

anti-christian bigotry? Censorship? Where do you guys come up with this stuff? If you're so concerned, why don't you guys pass the plate, contact NBC, and tell them you'd like to pick up the tab for the last two minutes of the show, and re-instate the 'inspirational' message?

NBC runs the show now. It's their investment/dollars at stake. They're the boss. You don't like it, don't support it.

Funny how some talk about all the murder, rape, and mayhem on NBC. Have you ever even read the 'good book'? There's more murder, rape, and mayhem in one book than you'd ever find on all the networks combined. Funny how that works out, ain't it?

[guest2]

There are networks devoted to the Christian faith and spreading the word. Try those for your worship, and watch NBC Sports for fishing, hunting, hockey, etc. Maybe someone should pitch a religious show with the last segment focused on the different presentations of catching freshwater fish.

The fact of the matter is that NBC Sports is trying to regulate what Al Linder says. I suspect that if you met him in person or went fishing with him, you would here a similiar type of message from him. This is Al Linder. ABC Sports is trying to modify his behaviour. Let Al be Al. Let Tebow be Tebow. This regulation that you shall not mention God IS anti-christian bigotry and censorship.

[Gordon Sumner]

There are networks devoted to the Christian faith and spreading the word. Try those for your worship, and watch NBC Sports for fishing, hunting, hockey, etc. Maybe someone should pitch a religious show with the last segment focused on the different presentations of catching freshwater fish.

I was thinking the same thing. How would the 'righteous' feel if, at the end of, say, a Benny Hinn show, all of a sudden they switched to Roland Martin, and he starts his spiel: hey, mornin people. Today we're on the beautiful Islamarada fishing for bone fish with the new Johnson 3:16 reels, boy this is one tough reel. By the way. I'm wearing my new Columbia zip off pants, and man are they great. We'll be balloon fishing with shiners today and we're gonna catch some really big bone fish with these gamakatsu 3/0 hooks, boy are they sharp.........

[keek]

Funny how some talk about all the murder, rape, and mayhem on NBC. Have you ever even read the 'good book'? There's more murder, rape, and mayhem in one book than you'd ever find on all the networks combined. Funny how that works out, ain't it?

True - the Bible is filled with many examples of mankind at it's worst but it also teaches about a relationship that delivers true Peace, Hope, and Forgiveness. Three things that are not commonly found on TV - things that I feel Mr. Linder would like to share about when given the opportunity.

[guest2]

This reminds of the time that one of the networks modified the US National Anthem during the Olympics so that it would be more palatable to their foreign viewers. The reference to God was cut out.

[guest2]

http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/20/why-would-nbc-cut-the-pledge-of-allegiance-before-the-u-s-open/

NBC has a history of anti-christian bigotry.

[JAK]

I agree with Shellback.......with the same train of thought that should be applied to this message board.

If you don't like a topic....don't read that topic ;-)

If you don't like a TV show....don't watch the TV show.

Simple stuff made difficult ..... sigh...


I'm not sure what the answer is, however for the first time in my life I felt like I needed to send something. Below is what I sent to NBC expessing my opinion:


To whom it may concern,

I have never written a letter like this before, but now feel compelled to do so. It is my understanding that you have decided that the inspirational segment at the end of Al Linder’s fishing program is not going to be allowed.

I don’t consider myself an overt religious person and when the Edge first started airing that inspirational segment a few years ago, I wasn’t sure that I liked it. However I have come to understand that Mr. Linder has a strong faith and believes he needs to share this message. I have also come to understand that his belief is that his faith has played an important role in his success. He believes this is vital to who he is. I not only accept that, but admire and respect his conviction in doing so. I feel that it is very important to represent Mr. Linder for who he is a total package. That conviction and dedication comes across during the entire show. By deleting/censoring that piece is a disservice.

What you may or may not be aware of is that the Linder’s have contributed greatly to the education on the modern angler. This in turn has generated and infused untold monies into our economy. It in turn has created a show complete with advertising dollars that you receive to air that program. I don’t think you have a true appreciation for what the Linder’s mean to the world of freshwater fishing.

I have read your press release where it is stated that the NBS Sports will only air sports related programming, but can’t help wonder what are you going to do with sports figures if they take a knee (Tim Tebow) and say a quite prayer of thanks??? Are your intentions to censor that reaction to a great play? If so, You can count on me to change channels to watch both my fishing and sports elsewhere!

Respectfully submitted,

[Gordon Sumner]

Funny how you people always feel that it's your right, and the world is obligated to shove your religion down the throats of the masses. As stated many times, there is are enough 'inspirational' channels available that you could have a different one on every tv, in every different room of the house, yet, since one of the major networks has decided to cut a mere minute or two of a 'message' at the end of an outdoor oriented show, they're censoring, they're bigots, and everyone is going to burn in ****. It's reached comical mass (no pun intended). (sort of).

[Gordon Sumner]

I'm not sure what the answer is, however for the first time in my life I felt like I needed to send something. Below is what I sent to NBC expessing my opinion:


To whom it may concern,

[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]I have never written a letter like this before, but now feel compelled to do so. It is my understanding that you have decided that the inspirational segment at the end of Al Linder’s fishing program. However I have come to understand that Mr. Linder has a strong faith and believes he needs to share this message. I feel that it is very important to represent Mr. Linder for who he is a total package.

You could've at least spelled his name right.

[guest2]

Funny how you people always feel that it's your right, and the world is obligated to shove your religion down the throats of the masses. As stated many times, there is are enough 'inspirational' channels available that you could have a different one on every tv, in every different room of the house, yet, since one of the major networks has decided to cut a mere minute or two of a 'message' at the end of an outdoor oriented show, they're censoring, they're bigots, and everyone is going to burn in ****. It's reached comical mass (no pun intended). (sort of).

Perhaps you should read the constitution. Perhaps you should read the first amendment to the Constitution regarding religious freedom. When the national anthem plays YOU can switch to another channel. I will not. When the pledge of allegiance is recited you can switch to another channel. I will not.

[SinOrSwim]

I don't understand what the big deal is either? The religious side is supposed to be more understanding and accepting. Yet, you do anything that isn't anti religious rather avoiding it and all of a sudden they are anti christ????

It's a business. Maybe they want to put in an extra minute of fishing and an extra minute of advertising?

And to those of you who think he should walk away???? Would you walk away from your job just because your boss said you can't tell everyone your beliefs? Probably not.

Just enjoy it for what it is. A fishing show.

[guest2]

It's a business. Maybe they want to put in an extra minute of fishing and an extra minute of advertising?



Nope. They told him to get rid of the christian content. They did not give him the option of cutting a minute of the fishing. It is blatantly obvious what they are trying to do. They have edited out the reference to God in the Pledge of Allegiance, now they are trying to edit God out of Al Linder's show.

[Gordon Sumner]

A little point-counter point is being a troll? Am I not allowed to share my thoughts, or give my opinion? Each is sharing their views on the subject, if you don't like it, don't click on the thread.

[SinOrSwim]

Blatantly obvious? Trying to make sure they don't offend their jewish or muslim audience as well? THat is my point. By leaving something out doesn't mean they are anti anything. They are just being neutral, which is the way it should be.

The religious side gets all bent out of shape on things and can be very judgemental when they preach the opposite.

Nope. They told him to get rid of the christian content. They did not give him the option of cutting a minute of the fishing. It is blatantly obvious what they are trying to do. They have edited out the reference to God in the Pledge of Allegiance, now they are trying to edit God out of Al Linder's show.

[Gordon Sumner]

Perhaps you should read the constitution. Perhaps you should read the first amendment to the Constitution regarding religious freedom. When the national anthem plays YOU can switch to another channel. I will not. When the pledge of allegiance is recited you can switch to another channel. I will not.

You are the one that can't seem to grasp the simple concept of turning the channel if you don't like what you see. Have you actually read any of the replies to your posts? I chose not to watch the 'inspirational message' at the end of Angling Edge, so I turned the channel. If you do not support NBC on their decision(s), don't watch any channels affiliated with NBC. I'm done here. Brick walls have a better understanding of how things work.

[guest2]

Blatantly obvious? Trying to make sure they don't offend their jewish or muslim audience as well? THat is my point. By leaving something out doesn't mean they are anti anything. They are just being neutral, which is the way it should be.

The religious side gets all bent out of shape on things and can be very judgemental when they preach the opposite.

Do you feel comfortable with NBC editing out God in the Pledge of Allegiance?

[guest2]

For those of you that believe that God should be edited out, what do you think NBC Sports should do about Tebow? Should they edit him out doing a Tebow? Should they not interview him after he wins a game? What do you say? They clearly cannot infringe on his 2nd amendment rights.

[wallybagger]

I don't agree with NBC policies either. I sent my email to NBC also as follows:

"I don"t appreciate your announced censorship policies. While I don"t like Jehovah's Witness's showing up at my door or Hari Krishna's stopping me in the Airport, etc., I think it should be my decision as to what I watch and listen to. I will be sensoring NBC Sports and their Sponsors from now on. I'll watch other Sports and News channels as I don't want my content diluted by some holier than thou idiots trying to control my freedoms."

Just my 2 cents,

Tom

[SinOrSwim]

Freedom of speech does NOT pertain to a business!!!! Can you go into work and spread your "message"? Probably not. Can you walk into a privately owned business and do the same? Nope.

You CAN however do it in a public space which NBC is not.

You also realize by NOT watching and punishing NBC you are punishing the people who work on that show right? If you like them you will support them. It's not their fault their network got bought.

Oh, and if NBC wanted to edit out God in the Pledge, that is their right. Not saying I agree with it. But, it's their right to run their business as they see fit.

[hnd]

Maybe I can start watching Linder again, without gagging. We all have our beliefs and some of us prefer to not try and convert everyone to our way of thinking. And we prefer to not have others try to thrust their beliefs upon us at any opportunity. It's supposed to be a fishing show, not a revival meeting.

you consider that "thrusting" his beliefs on you? lmao.

[guest2]

You also realize by NOT watching and punishing NBC you are punishing the people who work on that show right? If you like them you will support them. It's not their fault their network got bought.

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I will be watching the Fishing Edge on a different network. I do not see this as punishing Al or his group. I am not very fond of NBC as you can tell :) Editing God out of the Pledge of Allegiance and their latest attempt have made up my mind for me. I will take my business else where.

[eriksat1]

Where is the reference to god anywhere in the national anthem?

"Oh, say can you see,
By the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed
At the twilight's last gleaming.
Whose broad stripes and bright stars,
Through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched,
Were so gallantly streaming?

And the rockets' red glare,
The bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night
That our flag was still there.

O say, does that star-spangled
Banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free
And the home of the brave."

[SinOrSwim]

And, THAT is your right.

I will be watching the Fishing Edge on a different network. I do not see this as punishing Al or his group. I am not very fond of NBC as you can tell :) Editing God out of the Pledge of Allegiance and their latest attempt have made up my mind for me. I will take my business else where.

[cliftp]

Most likely Al is simply honoring his current contracts with the network and his sponsors. It's not a 1 man operation. Al signs the front of several pay checks. He's being responsible until a sensible change can be made.

Go easy.

Agree. Al said he was fulfilling sponsor obligations. He is a very honorable person and is holding up his end of the contract. He also said that Fox Sports is not making him censor the content.

He will do whats best I'm sure.

[guest2]

Where is the reference to god anywhere in the national anthem?

"Oh, say can you see,
By the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed
At the twilight's last gleaming.
Whose broad stripes and bright stars,
Through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched,
Were so gallantly streaming?

And the rockets' red glare,
The bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night
That our flag was still there.

O say, does that star-spangled
Banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free
And the home of the brave."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Defence_of_Fort_M%27Henry_broadside.jpg
It was in the ORIGINAL.

And now they are trying to modify the Pledge of Allegiance.

[Leinie]

Just a few thoughts

Censorship is done by government under penalty of law. Networks edit.

The first ammendment gives you the right to speak freely, without penalty by the government. It does not give you the right to a platform (airtime) or an audience.


This is a contract affair between NBC and Al Lindner. Contracts decide who has control of content on these shows.

I hope Al can continue to do his show his way, but if the contract says NBC can edit content, so be it.

Please don't throw terms like censorship around when they do not apply


And don't say the networks censor or used to censor bad language because it was the government standing behind them with the threat of huge fines. (FCC)

NBC may very well have an antireligious bias- that is their right
I also have a right- to watch or not
If I want to watch one of their shows , I may have to see something I don't like If they show enough that I (and many others) don't like they loose viewership and money. It's the free market folks. Embrace whats left of it while we still have it.

[B.Chunks]

Kinda where I'm at, while the end of the program inspirational message might do wonders for some, I'd rather watch more fishing.
He (Al) wants to add this to his program, more power to him, it's his program.
I have a remote and can use that time to do something else, or those who want to can watch.

I'm assuming the network has decided that they don't want Al to end his show with a bit of religion and that's their choice to make.

I think most are going to continue to watch whether he has religion at the end of his show or not, he starts preaching during the show like a evangelist though and he'll lose me and probably a few other too.

I do agree with some that if he was indeed as religious as he makes out to be, he'd tell them to stuff it and take his program elsewhere, assuming he wasn't under some sort of contract though.

Al

Same here. I always change the channel when that segment begins. I want fishing, not God. That got me wondering. In the days of cable and sattelite TV, providers can tell what your watching and when you change the channel. MAYBE, the large amount of people changing the channel when that segment comes on, caught their attention. If you're changing the channel, you're probably going to watch NBC's competition.

[guest2]

Same here. I always change the channel when that segment begins. I want fishing, not God. That got me wondering. In the days of cable and sattelite TV, providers can tell what your watching and when you change the channel. MAYBE, the large amount of people changing the channel when that segment comes on, caught their attention. If you're changing the channel, you're probably going to watch NBC's competition.

How many people change the channel with the pledge of allegiance? I doubt that is happening very often. However NBC in their business wisdom decides to edit out the reference to God in the Pledge of Allegiance? I think that the NBC boycott is going to hurt them more than 2 minutes on a fishing show.

[KoolBreeze]

I will be watching the Fishing Edge on a different network. I do not see this as punishing Al or his group. I am not very fond of NBC as you can tell :) Editing God out of the Pledge of Allegiance and their latest attempt have made up my mind for me. I will take my business else where.
I'm with you 100% guest2. I just watched Al's new show on FOX Sports Ohio, and they carried his end of show inspirational message as well as his long-time Christian logo of the Cross and Fish symbol. I've had enough of the elite media and their vomitous spiel. JMHO!

[B.Chunks]

How many people change the channel with the pledge of allegiance? I doubt that is happening very often. However NBC in their business wisdom decides to edit out the reference to God in the Pledge of Allegiance? I think that the NBC boycott is going to hurt them more than 2 minutes on a fishing show.

Your probably right. With the removal of the logo and all types of references, it does look like sanitizing religion out of their network is their intention. Oh well, it's their money. Besides, would you want to see a sports show with someone citing veres from the Koran, referencing Allah, or praying to Mecca? Religion is best kept to the home and place of worship. It causes problems and hard feelings everywhere else.

[jigngrub]

Hey, ya gotta take the good with the bad!... and it's about time they started filtering out some of the stuff on the other end of the spectrum.

So it's just TV right?... and you can pick and choose what you want to watch and if you don't like something you can change the channel or turn it off. If the goody two shoes had thought about this when they went up in arms about rough language this wouldn't have happened.

Censorship is a double edge sword and it's about time we saw the other edge.

[Gregger]

Good thing many people don't think like you. Just think of how many hospitals, shelters, schools, and charitable organizations wouldn't be around if people thought the religion should be kept at home or at church. Thank God our Founding Fathers didn't think that way.

So much for tolerance that is being preached by the MSM like Mathews and Maddow. Then again, look at NBC and MSNBC's ratings.

[jigngrub]

Good thing many people don't think like you. Just think of how many hospitals, shelters, schools, and charitable organizations wouldn't be around if people thought the religion should be kept at home or at church. Thank God our Founding Fathers didn't think that way.

So much for tolerance that is being preached by the MSM like Mathews and Maddow. Then again, look at NBC and MSNBC's ratings.

Is that why our founding fathers separated church and state?

I'm pretty sure they came over her for freedoms they were being deprived of in Europe at the time... and that's why they separated the 2.

I don't care to be imbued in anyone elses beliefs just as much as they wouldn't care to be imbued in mine.

[guest2]

Is that why our founding fathers separated church and state?

I'm pretty sure they came over her for freedoms they were being deprived of in Europe at the time... and that's why they separated the 2.

I don't care to be imbued in anyone elses beliefs just as much as they wouldn't care to be imbued in mine.

Clearly the founding fathers did not intend to fully separate church and state. In God We Trust is printed on our coins. God is mentioned in the Pledge Of Allegiance. The intent of separation of Church and State was for the US to not have a single state ordained religion. We are free to practice the religion of our choosing. However NBC Sports intent is to remove all mention of God in their programming. I see a big difference between the two.

For those of you that say that Al Linder is preaching a religion, what religion is he preaching? Baptist, Catholic, Lutheran, etc.?

[jigngrub]

Clearly the founding fathers did not intend to fully separate church and state. In God We Trust is printed on our coins. God is mentioned in the Pledge Of Allegiance. The intent of separation of Church and State was for the US to not have a single state ordained religion. We are free to practice the religion of our choosing. However NBC Sports intent is to remove all mention of God in their programming. I see a big difference between the two.

For those of you that say that Al Linder is preaching a religion, what religion is he preaching? Baptist, Catholic, Lutheran, etc.?

Here's a quote from one our more famous founding fathers.

History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose. " — Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813

... and another by him.


"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."


I really like this guy and bet he was a real hoot to be around!

[B.Chunks]

Here's a quote from one our more famous founding fathers.



... and another.



I really like this guy and bet he was a real hoot to be around!


None of that matters. This is a business and a broadcaster that receives no public funding. All the talk of freedom of speech, religion, founding fathers, etc is NOT APPLICABLE!

[jigngrub]

None of that matters. All the talk of freedom of speech, religion, is NOT APPLICABLE!

Hmmmmm, that's what I thought this whole thread was about?

Maybe you should re-read the original post.

[B.Chunks]

Hmmmmm, that's what I thought this whole thread was about?

Maybe you should re-read the original post.

From a personal belief standpoint it may be, but not from a legal standpoint. If you don't like the way it is, start a campaign for ammendments to the constitution to have the government regulate more of our lives for the sake of religion. Don't forget though. Those new freedoms will also be afforded to various other forms of free speech and religion in private businesses that many Christians will find offensive.