Boat comparisons on 619 vs Pro V 1900

[Sunshine]

I have a favor to ask. Help me pick my next boat.I have a poll going on which of these two boats are the best rig. Please take a moment to compare these boats and cast your ballot. I have narrowed my search to two boats and I have enclosed standard comparisons that are important to me. If I have included a question mark (?) instead of a value it means that I don?t know that value at this time. If you know the answer please share it with the group. PLEASE no boat bashing and please speak from experience. Please help; I'm torn between these two rigs.
Thanks


BOAT COMPARISONS


Ranger (R)619 DVS (L)Pro V 1900 SE


Length (R)19-2 (L)19-7
Beam (R)92 (L)94
HP (R)200 (L)200
Weight (R)1830 (L)1600
Weight Cap. (R)1600 (L)?
Bilge pumps (R)1-1,000 GPH (L)2-1,000 GPH
Transom (R)22 ½ (L)25
Fuel (R)39 gal.& 5 gal (L)45 gal. plus ?
Material (R)Fiberglass (L)Aluminum
Rod Storage (R)8FT. (L)?
Rod storage (R)? (L)10 tubes
Livewell (R)1-25 gallon (L)2-31gal. & 12gal.
Baitwell (R)1-6 gallon (L)2 baitwells
Hydra. Steering(R)standard (L)optional
Battery Charger (R)(Rstandard (L)optional
Fresh water pick-up (R)optional (L)standard



Comments here are on the poll page will be appreciated. I NEED HELP DECIDING
THANKS

[JohnF]

Wow, did I ask this out loud? I am looking at exactly the same two boats!

Optional vinyl floor on Lund.

I know how well the Lund can backtroll; how well does the Ranger?

I can't wait for the responses.

John Flaherty

[Ted]

Hi Dennis and good luck on your search!

Here are a few 619 specifics for you -
*10 tubes in their rod locker.
* 2 - bilge pumps, one auto and both can be 'on' at the same time to empty a boat in a hurry (don't ask how i know)

What type of water do you typically run? I have had mine from one end of the spectrum to another this year and it's done great.

Email me if you have specific questions - tmerdan@cisco.com


ted

[JohnF]

Ted,

Does the Ranger come with 4 seats?

John

[JohnF]

Also,

What lights did the Ranger come with standard? When you read through the options (list from dealer) it shows different lights as optional.

John

[Murph]

One is glass, one isn't, enough said.

[Ted]

Four seats are standard. i opted to have an additional seat (pro pole/butt) for the bow - boat is occasionally used to ferry others around per the wife's request.

don't recall which are standard - i went and added lights to all of the compartments and an additional light under the passenger console and on the front - nice for when the garage is dark or early/late prep for tournaments.

remember if you order - almost anything can be customized on these boats as you decide what you want and don't want on them. I added an additional livewell pump and think it's a great option to fill the well faster...


let me know if you have further questions,


ted

[John]

Dennis,

Are the prices of these two boats similar?

I think the Ranger is better suited for someone that likes to run the boat from the front. Whereas the Lund will be a better backtroller, with it's open layout.

Ride quality should go to the Ranger, as should the fit to finish quality and the trailer is far superior on the Ranger, unless your talking Eagle on the Lund which would help even things out.

Both are good boats, I've fished from both and personally would be happier in the Ranger - but this doesn't mean you would.

[SLIPKNOT]

I would go with the 1900. I personally don't care for the 619's at all. I don't think they handle rough water well at all, and I think they are a bit crammed. I love the new 1900's, the layout, the ride is better than a 619, and with the new ips2 hull, it will be every bit as dry. The price of a 1900 is a lot cheaper than a 619 also, e mail me and i'll tell you where you can get a 1900, 200 hpdi, t8 kicker with everything, and a custom eagle trailer for about $32,00. Good luck with your decision!

[perchjerker]

I really dont think you are comparing apples to apples here. I am talking about the fiberglass/tin issue.

If you are concerned with the weight, go with the Lund. If the ride is more important, I would choose the Ranger. I like more freeboard than either have, but thats just me. I have to add these are generalizations, I have only been in one Pro V, never been in a Ranger, so my opinion doesnt come from any experience with eiher boat.

I recently purchased a quality tin boat after owning glass all my life, I love the boat, tows great, but the ride just isnt the same as glass. I will probably return to glass next time around.

Just my opinion.

[Eyez]

That's kind of narrow minded. I love my glass boat, but each has their advantages and disadvantages, and he needs to base his choice on his needs. Personally, looking at the options available, assuming price is similar, I'd be thinking real hard about the Lund. I like Rangers, but the 1 livewell thing is a definite minus in my book. I have a 26 and a 12 in my boat, and I really like having 2. A battery charger is a nice standard on Ranger, but it's not that expensive, and pretty easy to install. Hydraulic steering is a must, so that might sway it too.

[BO #582]

THE LUND IS THE SUPERIOR RIDE IN ROUGH WATER. THE RANGER TENDS TO BE A BIT ON THE ROUGH SIDE IN 3 TO 4' WAVES AND IS, ALSO, A LITTLE WET.

[SLIPKNOT]

BO, I agree totally agree with you, I think we are the only ones that think that way. If you compare a 620 to a 1900, yes the 620 will ride better, but a 1900 in my opinion is much better set up and handles the water better than a 619. Just my opinion, again.

[Muleskinner]

John,
You need to take a look at my boat. Pro-v 1900 IFS E-mail me.

[BO #582]

THANKS SLIPKNOT, I KNOW WE'LL GET A LITTLE HEAT OVER THIS, BUT THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH. HAVE A GREAT DAY, BO #582

[Todd_NE]

Ok, I can't let this wet/dry thing pass. Maybe TMac or someone can wade in to that carry's both boats and knows them well.

I've ridden in about every Lund ever made and Ranger 620's - never a 619 to be upfront. But when I read about how a Lund ProV of any type is quote "drier" I personally can't believe it. I drive a fiberglass Fisher and it's so much drier than any ProV I've been in, it's crazy to say otherwise - and I LOVE Lunds - I'm not knocking them. I've spent a lot of time in my brother's 2025 and plenty of 620's, my FX, Yar's, etc - the fiberglass is a drier ride.

To imagine that straight formed aluminum boat can ride better or drier than a similar sized fiberglass boat seems hard to fathom. Fiberglass boats are far more intricately designed and formed to KEEP spray down and improve handling and ride. I'm certainly no engineer -

I'll give Aluminum durability hands down, but come on - glass gets ride and dryness in the cockpit hands down with the same driver in the same conditions at the same speed in the same direction.

The rest of the stuff - storage, backtrolling, is all design too - just like dryness :)

Todd (ducking now lol)

[Steve]

Your exactly right, this stuff about a pro-v being drier is surely coming from those who have never been in glass. Lot's of Lund lovers here, including myself as I have an 1800. But I for one am not dumb enough to think my boat is drier than a similar sized glass boat.

[BO #582]

HI FELLAS, WE ARE UP HERE IN MICHIGAN WHERE WE HAVE LAKE ERIE, LAKE ST. CLAIR, AND LAKE HURON'S SAGINAW BAY. TRUST ME, I'VE BEEN IN THEM ALL, AND IN ROUGH WATER, THE LUND IS A SUPERIOR RIDE AND I'VE BEEN THERE WITH GOOD DRIVERS AND BAD. IT'S REALLY NOT A COMPARISON. I KNOW IT'S ONLY MY TWO CENTS BUT WITH EXPERIENCE. HAVE A GREAT DAY, BO #582

[Kitch]

I have ridden in several 619's including Ted's from the beginning of this thread,these boats take water great period. I have gotten wet on 1 occasion 4-5 footers and doing 50 + mph. we were running late in a tourney and needed to get back on time, our fault or the late bitting eye's fault not the boat. If you drive with your head up your ### in big waves in ANY boat you will get pounded, and wet. Kitch

[SLIPKNOT]

I never said the lunds were drier, altough the new ips2 hull probably is. But there is no way a 619 will outpreform a 1900 in rough water as far as a smooth ride goes. It seems like the only people who like 619's are sponsored by ranger or are the owners of them. They must love that huge boat payment every month for the little boat they have. I know a few pwt/rcl guys that run 619's, they tell everyone they love them, actually get know them and they tell you the truth, they don't like them. This is just my opinion, sorry for the bashing.

And kitch, there is no possible way you were doing 50+ is 4-5 footers in ANY walleye boat. If you were doing 35 that would have been flying in true 4-5 footers.

[Eyez]

Agreed. All else being equal, most glass boats will keep you drier and ride smoother than a comparable sized aluminum boat. I have serious doubts about this Lund is a smoother ride than Ranger, and running 50+ in 4-5 foot waves thing. Of all the arguments I've heard about glass vs. aluminum, I've never heard anyone say that aluminum rides smoother and keeps you drier.

[Kitch]

All I can say is 20-25 mph winds out of the se on winnebago, just south of neanah to otter st. tourney in 12 min. I did not measure the waves and was not driving. On of the trition guys saw us on the move and said we could have made a comercial if he would have had a camera. and yes it did hurt and it was wet but no damage to the boat. Kitch

[Shep]

Hi Dennis,

Can't really offer a valid choice, as I haven't ridden in the 1900. I have been in 619's and 620's. There is, IMHO, a difference in the ride between these two Rangers. I had an awesome ride in a 620, quartering winds, across Poygan, Winneconne, and Butte De Mortes earlier this year. Great ride, and dry. While in the 619, we didn't have the exact same conditions, I did notice it didn't ride as smooth as the 620. Weight, hull, or the extra 50 HP make the difference? Or just a better hull. I don't know.

I would suggest that before you make your decision, you arrange for a demo of each of these boats, in the roughest conditions you would expect to face. I know this may be difficult to do, it's all in the timing. Green Bay perhaps? I know you've been in it up there.

I know several dealers have Pro's that will arrange demo's. Get it arranged, and get in the boats, and drive them. Get the feel of them. Have the Pro DEMO it! Hard! And also, fish out of these boats. Not actually try to catch fish, but try the emulate the different styles of fishing you do. Jigging, backtrolling, rigging while anchored, using the bowmount, maybe even trolling with boards or handlining, if that's how you fish. Get a feel for the roominess and the layout.

Hope this helps. Good luck with the process, and have fun! Talk to you soon.

Oh, yea. Put a Black motor on it!!!:)


Tight Lines All,

Shep

[crn]

If i were in 10ft. waves.I've rather be in a Lund.
Just my 2 cents worth

[Ted]

John -

I think the ranger backtrolls great - I have a 200 HPD, T8 with the tiller handle, connecting rod between both engines and a splash guard from wave wackers.

This is my first console boat so I will give you an opinion from a die hard tiller guy who loves to backtroll in all conditions: the ranger did a great job! Calm to little chop the T8 with an extension handle on it works great. Medium chop tie the two engines together and run the T8 and have the benefit of hydraulic steering to hold your course. 3'+ use the 200 and rarely see any water past the livewell. I do most of my backtrolling on mille lacs that has the short choppy waves that are a pain to keep progress in with tiller motors up to 90+ hp - this is where the big engine shines. Having the larger diameter prop spinning keeps you with constant progress. Several days this summer I was backtrolling is 3'+ with a 25 MPH wind and going by tillers that had less control or were drifting with bags.

I feel that the lower sides on the ranger make for less drag and that is important when looking for precise control so that the nose does not get pushed around. Even at slower speeds I have been using my connecting rod more and more so that when you make a turn you are also turning with the main engine that makes turns even tighter.

Let me know if you need more info.

ted

[Sunshine]

More questions..............

Does anyone know what their weight capacity is in their 1900?

Does anyone know the Center Rod Storage Length for their 1900?

How many seats came with the 1900?

What interior lighting is standard with the 619?

What is the added cost of hydraulic steering for a 1900?

Thanks,

[Marble Eyes]

Some answers for you from the 03 catalog and my talking to a dealer.

Does anyone know what their weight capacity is in their 1900?

2000 lbs. for the LE
1900 lbs. for the SE and IFS

Does anyone know the Center Rod Storage Length for their 1900?

The 2003 catalog says 2- 8',3-7'6", and 5 6'6" rods

How many seats came with the 1900?
3 Airride and one Power Pedestal

What is the added cost of hydraulic steering for a 1900?
Around 900 dollars

[PJM]

Sunshine


I own a lund and the arguments and issues on both of these boat could go on and on. They are both nice boats with the Lund be less money. Where is see a major difference in these boats is the Ranger is a CUSTOM BUILT boat and when you order it it is built just for you including the trailer. One thing I wish my Lund had is drier storage other then that it is a nice boat and it has alot of room inside of it. I would love to own a Ranger someday but I right now it's a little out of my price range. But someday..............

[Fin Addict]

My brother and I both run Lund's, so if anything we should be Lund fans. We recently had the pleasure of fishing from a Ranger 620. The ride and fishability of the Ranger was so far superior to our Lunds that they were not even in the same league. I would only consider a Lund as my choice if it was at least 1/3 less money and I didn't want to use it in wind or rough water. 53 MPH over 3 footers without blowing our backs away, made us believers. If I ever have the $, I will have a Ranger. Until then Lund makes a very nice solid boat that has served me well.

[optimax]

Try looking at the triton 205dc. I love mine and would never think about buying a aluminum boat.

[Sunshine]

Thank you very much marble eyes. The more info I get about the two the better. I really feel that this discussion is helping and I'm able to compare apples to apples.

[JPO]

Dennis,

I think I may have an answer for your conundrum...

Give the Tundra a run. It has the best of both worlds. Aluminum built to ride like glass.

If you are in MN send me an e-mail and we can go for a run. opiedotnet@msn.com

Have a good one and have fun buying your boat.

JPO

[hunt4dx]

Well I have to throw my 2 cents in here having owned both of these boats in the last 4 years. I had a 1900 with a 200 three years ago and currently have a 619 with a 200. There some major differances between the two boats. One of the main differances is the way they handle big waves. I am not talking 2-3 footers. In my exeriance the Lund takes these waves much better and rides up and over them better. With the Ranger it takes a differant techniques to keep from putting the bow right threw them. The Ranger tends to spear waves much easier, in my experiance. Now the other differance is the ability to run 2-3 footers. There is no comparison. The Ranger glides across them where the Lund beats the %$^@ out of you. Drieness? I don't feel one was better than the other. Fit and finish are no comparison. Ranger has that hands down. It is the little things to look at. Bilge pumps, how are they mounted. Lund bilge pumps will come loose in rough water and not work. Be careful. The consoles will crack in the corners. Roominess for trolling, I will give it to the Lund, but the Ranger tracks much nicer in a wind. Backtrolling, well I have been a tiller guy all of my life up untill about 5 years ago and 80% of what I do was backtrolling. Neither one of these boats backtroll very well. I will give a little advantage to the Ranger but in waves you are going to get soaked in the Ranger. If you go with a 1900 definately put some type of splash guard on. When the rear livewell is full on the Lund the back of the boat sits pretty low and trolling in big rollers the water will crash over the stern. Boat controll from the front, definately Ranger. The wind does not blow this boat around at all. Whtere the Lund will get blown all over due to its higher sides and lack of weight in the bow. It is a tough decision but I would say I favor the Ranger mainly for the quality and overal ride, but I will say that I am probably going back to a Lund because I am a tiller man and the 620T does not fit my needs.

Good Luck,
Troy Patterson

[Sunshine]

Thank you Everyone for the great input. I'll let you know when I finally make the big decision. A big thanks to those of you who sent private emails and offered rides in your boats. Some of you will be definitely getting a ring from me.

Right now I would be letting the options that mean the most to me make up my mind.

It's absolutely great to see such loyalty by owners of both brands. This validates to me that they both really are great boats.

Sometimes I feel that the ultimate dry/smooth ride is very subjective. The bottom line is that there is no such thing as a dry boat. We all know that. That's why we all put on the rain gear at take off during many tournaments when it's not raining ;-)

Again,

Thanks a lot,

[BigBass]

I have also owned both Ranger(620) and now a 1900ProV. I do feel the Ranger rode smoother on the water in most cases. I didn't like the floor plan space in the Ranger. I really like the room to move in my LUND. The Ranger loaded on the trailer 100% better - But I wasn't smart and got a Shoreland'r trailer :( with my 1900Prov. BUY EAGLE!

The Ranger required alot more care when cleaning. The Ranger did have nicer dry storage. But mounting a Vantage trolling motor and kicker required more work on a Ranger. Overall rigging and rigging options the LUND wins hands down.

Summery of my opinion...

If you are looking for a Nice smooth ride(back problems, or bad hemroids?!?!?!) by the Ranger and the ride is very nice. For fishability and room to move even with 3 guys in the boat and ease of rigging and optional positioning the LUND hands down!

All this is basic Glass vs. Alum. All my reasoning would be the same for Alumacraft vs. TRITON!




Fish for them all...

Big-Bass

[Jeff]

Why don't you like the 620T?

[JohnF]

This appears to be a very well thought out and honest assesment. I appreciate your candor and find your opinion helpful.

Thanks,

John

[Irish]

Hello

I sorry I like both boats but I just bought the lund due to the fact that it gave me the comfort and room I was looking for. For being dryer sorry charlie in 3 to 5 footers on Winnebago and 7 footers on Saginaw neither cuts the bacon well enough. I do sudgust that you go to the tractor outlet store and buy your self a spring cushion seat ( compared it to Glyd Ride and same seat for $300.00 cheaper) in any storm or rough condition this will save your back


Irish

[GregM]

Optimax, can you e-mail me please at greg.l.morse@monsanto.com.

I would like to pick your brain about the Triton 205, thx much.

[Jim Ordway]

Dennis,
I don't know the bodies of water you guide on, but would guess they are in the Waukesha county and greater area. If you are not making long runs, I would think that a quality tin boat would be take much less your time keeping the boat looking "pretty". You own a tin boat, but a glass boat owns you. Yes, it may be a labor of love, but, the cleanup time after outings is considerably higher with glass, plus the scratching and other gouges that seem to find the boat. Lower maintenance and cost of ownership goes to tin. The overall ride and esthetics, go to glass. For the record, I run glass, but enjoy any boat that has fish coming over the side.
Good luck,
Jim Ordway

[Sunshine]

As always, great insight. Thanks again.

[rng]

i have never really rode in the 1900 but have rode in the 619 and would recommend it over any aluminum boat i have ever rode in. i would also recommend the 620 over the 619 and i have been in both in 3' plus waves out on the bay. ranger makes an awsome boat either way you go and i do believe you would be very happy with one.
good luck

[Guest]

This year I have spent a lot of time in 619's, 620's, a Pro V 1900 , and a Pro V 2025 this year. I own the Pro v 2025. They are all rock solid good fishing boats.

The Saginaw RCL started out day one with very rough this year. I was riding in a 620 that day. We speared a couple of waves on the way to the charities islands from Hoyles. Not a very fun experience when the boat is instantly filled with 8" to a foot of water. Now a lot of guys will just say it was the drivers fault, but you can ask around and just about every Ranger owner that spends time in rough water has speared a wave or two. And yes all boats can spear waves. But some are more apt to do so than others.

On that same boat ride we got passed by at least 5 Lunds. I could easily see they were riding over the waves and not through them as they went by. I do not think they were riding any smoother but they were able to go faster without as much worry of spearing a wave.

So for me nasty water(waves 3'+) rating would go to the Lund.

If your not fixed on it I would suggest moving to the 620 and 2025. I would say the boat should be treated like the motor. Do not under size it if you do not have to.