Can anyone tell me where to find one? In the mean time can anyone tell me how deep a deep diving shad rap will run with mono with and without a 1oz snap weight thanks

I was looking in Amazon wow $150 - $500+ for a book on trolling. Might be a good book for someone to write / copy.

There are several sizes of Shad Raps. I get about 14' down on a SR-7 which is in the middle of the group of Rapala's this is about 110 of line.

I was looking in Amazon wow $150 - $500+ for a book on trolling. Might be a good book for someone to write / copy.

I believe we have a little hurdle called copywright infringement, lol.

why dont you guys just wait until the app comes out?

Or I can sell you my Vol 6 for $300 lol

why dont you guys just wait until the app comes out?

Or I can sell you my Vol 6 for $300 lol

I'll sell mine for $275 :eek:

There are some editions on ebay with a Buy It Now of around $50.

pretty pricey, been waiting for the app for seems like forever. would be very handy. the shad raps i want to run are smaller i wanna say they are 5's. so would that be calculated at a ratio? if you are getting 14ft with 110 feet of line would it be 21 ft with 165 ft out? or 7ft at 55 out?

I got mine a bit earlier thsi year when Fleet Farm was stocking them, I was in Milwaukee at the in'laws. If I woudl have know ther were worth so much, I would have bought 20 more of them!

pretty pricey, been waiting for the app for seems like forever. would be very handy. the shad raps i want to run are smaller i wanna say they are 5's. so would that be calculated at a ratio? if you are getting 14ft with 110 feet of line would it be 21 ft with 165 ft out? or 7ft at 55 out?

Doesn't quite work like that. I've seen no set formula for the dive curves. The water resistance on the line with more or less out has a significant affect on the dive curves.

I believe we have a little hurdle called copywright infringement, lol.

It is not copy write infringement if you re-write it and reword it.

It is not copy write infringement if you re-write it and reword it.

you are thinking of plagerisim not copyright

It is not copy write infringement if you re-write it and reword it.

Soooooooooooo.............would you use the dive curves that Mark spent countless hours figuring out, or would you change the numbers around and make the curves inaccurate?????? lol.

All I'm saying is if a fricking book is selling for $150 - $500 someone will copy it.

just gonna have to bring a pen and paper with me till i find a book or the app comes. anyone tell me how much mono i should have out for a #5 shad rap to get down 20 ft? i can play a little bit with that answer thanks

As far as I can tell a SR-5 will not go 20 ft. 9 ft down at 120 feet. Good luck with finding a book.

Years ago I made my own charts, if you know a slow tapering gravel / rock point throw out a marker at the depth of your choice and troll across it with your favorite crank baits, let out line until you bump bottom. I don't need to know every crank bait ever made, just the ones I use. It took a few hours but didn't cost me anything.

After reading post after post of people looking for this book, is the author/owner what ever some kind of a (fill in the blank) to stop selling this book? It seems many would be willing to pay the $50 or more for the book. How many would be willing to go out and buy a iphone or ipad then have to buy the app? Sounds like this guy might need to take a marketing class or 2. Most people have PC's not Apple. Maybe I'm way off base but when something is in demand and not available, someone else is going to write one. While I'm sure it takes time to do all the dive charts it is not rocket science.

After reading post after post of people looking for this book, is the author/owner what ever some kind of a (fill in the blank) to stop selling this book? It seems many would be willing to pay the $50 or more for the book. How many would be willing to go out and buy a iphone or ipad then have to buy the app? Sounds like this guy might need to take a marketing class or 2. Most people have PC's not Apple. Maybe I'm way off base but when something is in demand and not available, someone else is going to write one. While I'm sure it takes time to do all the dive charts it is not rocket science.


He got sick of one guy buying the book and then copying it for 3-4 of his buddies. I don't blame him for developing the app...if it ever comes out. But then again, I was lucky enough to find a book. Much rather get that wet out on the boat than my phone. :huh:

He got sick of one guy buying the book and then copying it for 3-4 of his buddies. I don't blame him for developing the app...if it ever comes out. But then again, I was lucky enough to find a book. Much rather get that wet out on the boat than my phone. :huh:

Some of us got sick of buying the book just to get the updated info too!!

Just start useing lead core, u can run any crankbait at any depth you want. use 5ft per color when having a 4ft leader useing 18pd leadcore

Where's the App?

Anyone know when this is going to be available? Thought we were suppose to see it in April or May this year.

The website says June 2012. http://www.fishing411.net/index.html

would think it would be better to sell 1 book and have 3 guys copy it then sell 0 books and not have an income on it?

would think it would be better to sell 1 book and have 3 guys copy it then sell 0 books and not have an income on it?

That is my thought as well. I did some internet marketing and people will steal and copy your stuff all the time, you just have to roll with it and try and sell as many as you can before the copycats. Selling nothing because of fear of copy, will leave you in the dust.

What da ya think, there's probably a few thousand fishermen wanting the book. Sounds like a fortune being lost by the owners not reprinting it. "NOT"
I'm sure the owners weighed the costs versus the profit and decided it wasn't cost effective.

If he was smart he could set up a paid subscription website, easy to update charts and all a person would need to do is print the chart them self and laminate. Have steady income year after year from subscribers, with back end sales of other stuff. Screw the publishing company's. Lets see 50,000 people paying $50 per year subscription = $2,500,000 per year not bad. Ok maybe those numbers are ridiculous even 5,000 poeple at $50 still $250,000 per year. Why would a yearly subscription work? Every year new baits come out, and new fishing line. And while many people may not have a I phone, most with a boat and trolling gear have a computer with internet. Printing cost zero, mailing cost zero.

Anybody know if / when the trollers bible is actually going to be available as an app?

last I heard was June 2012...

Found 3 on the shelf in a Holiday in Grand Marais a few years back for $9.99. Bought all 3.

Anybody know if / when the trollers bible is actually going to be available as an app?

last I heard was June 2012...

Scott, His website did have a notice that an Apple app was coming in June 2012. However, Mark updated his home page and that message is no longer there. So....your guess is as good as mine. :huh:

I use #5 deep shad raps almost exclusively. The deepest I can get it is 8 to 9ft by itself with 10# mono regardless of how much line I have out past 120ft. If you are wanting to get it down to 20ft then your best bet would be to use leadcore or a snap weight.

Seriously what a joke this has become.

Someone send China a copy of the **** thing so they can print 10 million copies and people can actually use it.

What, a, joke.

Who actually knows these people and can forward the total disgust I'm feeling. Either print more copies, or release the **** app.

Seriously what a joke this has become.

Someone send China a copy of the **** thing so they can print 10 million copies and people can actually use it.

What, a, joke.

Who actually knows these people and can forward the total disgust I'm feeling. Either print more copies, or release the **** app.

Hey............here's an idea.............how about you spend tens of thousands of dollars for publishing/printing, and thousands of hours on the water finding the dive curves of hundreds of baits, and put out your own book?

The joke will stop, and you'll become a rich man........right?

Instead of whining about it, do something about it. Geez.

Hey............here's an idea.............how about you spend tens of thousands of dollars for publishing/printing, and thousands of hours on the water finding the dive curves of hundreds of baits, and put out your own book?

The joke will stop, and you'll become a rich man........right?

Instead of whining about it, do something about it. Geez.
hi mark great book hope it comes out again

Seriously what a joke this has become.

Someone send China a copy of the **** thing so they can print 10 million copies and people can actually use it.

What, a, joke.

Who actually knows these people and can forward the total disgust I'm feeling. Either print more copies, or release the **** app.

Maybe you could send Mr. Romanack an email through his website and tell him how you've been wronged by not getting off the farm sooner.

I tell you what's a joke. The way some of you folks slag Mark Romanack through the mud on this book/app issue. The guy busted his balls to research and come out with this book that shortened the learning curve on trolling. For whatever reason the book is no longer in print....that is the authors choice. Obviously there is a market for this information....make it happen if you have what it takes.

Just picked up a brand new Precision Casting edition for $4 in a bargin bin. Last one left. Pretty cool charts for those who cast crank-baits. My PT edition will get way more use but the casting one has some good stuff.

It is a great book and i cant imagine the hours he has into it. With that said, i have a paper copy (bought a long time ago when prices were normal thankfully) and I can understand how an app version makes sense now. But I personally dont even like bringing my cellphone out on the lake with me, let alone something big enough to easily read the dive curves. Im sure some will like it better, but i will always be glad to have a paper copy.

Mark, heres an idea......the app will be partially great....but while we wait why not print the last edition for 1 more yr!! You know the demand, no more research, people will know they have a yr, and u can charge $50-60 each if they are $100 plus!!

Or rather then just iphone....make them electronically available for purchase, we both know u have electronic copies so sell that so we can atleast get it other then iphone only!!

I'm not in the publishing business, but I'd bet he has it trademarked and patented to some extent. Otherwise, someone would make one and publish it. If I was in publishing, then I would do just that.

Put it in an e-book format, something. In this digital age I refuse to believe he couldn't run another printing of the book. If he needs start up capitol, then lets set him up on kickstart or something.

Some of us who were unable to own a boat and need this book never bought it years ago. I'm 27 now, I joined the army when I was 22, before that I owned a big ole massive tin can (12ft) and barely trolled anything. So sorry that I'm unhappy when I get out, get my new life on track, buy a boat, out fit it for trolling, and pffffft spinners and floaters off bb's is all I can run correctly. In-lines get me in the middle, but most popular cranks I have a hard time running correctly.

I'm not trying to bash the guy, just frustrated and can't wrap my head around the hold up. If the app is having bugs, run another print, if you need capital, lets get some investors. Other wise, whats the deal? I'd love to help if I could, I'm sure some of you would too!

Maybe you could send Mr. Romanack an email through his website and tell him how you've been wronged by not getting off the farm sooner.

I tell you what's a joke. The way some of you folks slag Mark Romanack through the mud on this book/app issue. The guy busted his balls to research and come out with this book that shortened the learning curve on trolling. For whatever reason the book is no longer in print....that is the authors choice. Obviously there is a market for this information....make it happen if you have what it takes.

:exactly:

I don't know how legal it was for my friend to do this but last year he found a copy of the bible (paid $60.00 for it) and he made a app out of it for his personal use. It only took him a few hours. You page through about a dozen thumbs per page and tap on what you want to see closer.
It not the greatest but it works.
Myself, I just use the actual book. I just wish it was water resistant like its suppose to be :(

Greed $$$. by the time he finally comes out with it someone else will have probably already made a better one, or he will die of old age.

I have seen copies of this book on BitTorrent.

Now thats the answer I wanted to hear, time to go pirating!

I was visiting a friend last weekend and ran across three copies while picking up some bait. They were the older blue cover ones, thick pages with the sort of threaded rings on top. I have both this older copy and the latest one..pretty much the same.

The guy wasn't giving them away..I didn't pick them up, maybe I should have.

Where are you finding the torrent?

I don't have an i-phone but I do have the book. To tell the truth, after writing down the dive curves for three or four lures which I put on a 3" x 5" index card and laminated it, I never opened the book again. I just don't fish for suspended walleyes that much and found that trial and error worked just as well as the dive curve data when contour trolling. I did test the data out on Lake Michigan on the east side where the bottom is sandy and slow tapering and found that some of the published data was not accurate when I checked it out. The truth is there are so many factors that can effect depth while trolling that the research, IMHO, gives a good idea of where to start but really isn't the "Gospel" of the Bible. Maybe others can rightfully dispute what I'm saying and I'm cool with that. I'm just offering up my experience, which I admit, is limited. YMMV:cheers:

Just start useing lead core, u can run any crankbait at any depth you want. use 5ft per color when having a 4ft leader useing 18pd leadcore

That formula does'nt work in a river with current. :sad:

I don't have an i-phone but I do have the book. To tell the truth, after writing down the dive curves for three or four lures which I put on a 3" x 5" index card and laminated it, I never opened the book again. I just don't fish for suspended walleyes that much and found that trial and error worked just as well as the dive curve data when contour trolling. I did test the data out on Lake Michigan on the east side where the bottom is sandy and slow tapering and found that some of the published data was not accurate when I checked it out. The truth is there are so many factors that can effect depth while trolling that the research, IMHO, gives a good idea of where to start but really isn't the "Gospel" of the Bible. Maybe others can rightfully dispute what I'm saying and I'm cool with that. I'm just offering up my experience, which I admit, is limited. YMMV:cheers:

That is a good idea to put your go to cranks on separate cards. The only time I really use it a lot is when I'm on new water or in frustration when nothing seems to work. In the later case, I should have probably been better off packing up and going home.

Do you suppose the pros all have a book and refer to it every time they fish? I gotta believe that time on the water gaining experience is gonna boat more fish than a book. I'm sure it would be nice but I'm almost positive if I had a copy it would eventually end up in the glove box.

Do you suppose the pros all have a book and refer to it every time they fish? I gotta believe that time on the water gaining experience is gonna boat more fish than a book. I'm sure it would be nice but I'm almost positive if I had a copy it would eventually end up in the glove box.

I can honestly say that in nearly every pro boat that I have been in I have seen a copy. Some look at it more than others during the day, and I'm sure that most have memorized the numbers that they need by tournament days.

I can honestly say that in nearly every pro boat that I have been in I have seen a copy. Some look at it more than others during the day, and I'm sure that most have memorized the numbers that they need by tournament days.


I don't buy that for a minute!

I don't buy that for a minute!

As a "Co-Angler" I have fished 9 FLW Walleye Tour events,....1 PWT,...And a handful of FLW League events,............

EVERY time the cranks came out so did the "bible",.........

Now in all fairness some only had the page needed copied and taped to the box of lures for the day,...

But the info was ALWAYS there,..........................

I don't buy that for a minute!

buy it or not, that is up to you. Why would I lie about something so stupid. I'm not selling the books or making any money from the sale of them. I have fished 6 FLW tour events as a CO and usually prefish for a week or so before each tournament. I have been in the boat with many different pros. Some have the book in the glove box, others have copies of the pages taped inside the crank boxes. Once I even watched as a pro wrote the lenghts back and depths from the book on the outside of a crank box right from the book.

an app would be great that can be updated when needed but easily used "offline" cause once I am out a few miles from shore, I have zero cell service and if I do, its limited or bouncing off the canucks towers