View Full Version : 621 at the MN State Fair
slip_bobber
08-28-2002, 01:08 AM
There is a new Ranger 621 on display at the Fair untill Monday. It's in the outdoors area up on the hill. One of the first 621s that can be seen.
Juls_OH
08-28-2002, 04:22 AM
Ranger Rep, Pat Kleppert, brought one to the PWT tournament at Saginaw Bay this year, and let me drive it. All I can say is, "Wow!"
Even though I was only in it for 20 minutes, or so, I can tell you that the new 621 is an incredible boat. The new design has tons of storage, its faster, and a lot of room to move around. The boat I got to test drive had a Yammy 225 4-stroke on it, and pushed it at around 65mph (three people, no load, and a full(?) gas tank). The boat is rated for a 250, so I'm not sure how fast this boat will go with a 250 on it and a full load.
I'll be running a 621 next year with a Merc 225 Opti on it, so I won't have the opportuntiy to see just how fast this baby can go! I can't wait until next season! I'm very excited and really looking forward to it! I guess that means it's going to be a LONG winter...if you know what I mean...heheh;-)
Juls
Dodge1
08-28-2002, 05:25 AM
I can picture it now; it’s 30 below outside and the winds blowing like mad but Jul’s doesn’t mind, because she’s sitting in front of her fireplace, with a 621 brochure and a glass of wine :)
Tom (mich)
08-28-2002, 08:50 AM
Juls, I'm in the market for a Ranger for next season, and might consider the 621. Did your post contain a typo when you referenced 65 mph (maybe 56?) Not doubting at all, but hard to fathom that a 225 four stroke pushed a 2200 pound hull at that speed.
splitshot
08-28-2002, 09:59 AM
i kinda of have the same question as tom. From what I have heard so far, which may not be true is that the 621's were running about 63-65 mph gps with the 250 merc. Thats all I heard could of been a rumor.
Juls_OH
08-28-2002, 11:23 AM
I can only tell you what I saw on the guages. Like I said, it was an empty boat...only three bodies, no gear, no kicker, etc. The meter read 65 at WOT with the Yammy 225 4-stroke on it.
I can only imagine that with a full load, full gas tank, two bodies, and being pushed by a 250 that it would stay about the same in comparison.
I'm sure prop choice, where the motor is mounted on the transom, and how the boat is trimmed while in WOT is going to factor into the equasion too.
Juls
Eric Olson
08-28-2002, 12:50 PM
Hey folks,
Just wanted to get some additional info regarding the 621 and the 4 stroke. Actual Ranger tested speeds with a light load was 54 mph GPS. Don't mean to contradict ya Juls, sorry! We actually ran that boat extensively with both engines 250 XB as well as the Yammy 4 stroke. A definite Plus with the 250 hp engines!
With the 250 XB it will run around 58-60 GPS medium load.
This boat is a great runner and handles the waves like a Caddy!
Definetly the boat to look to for the big water
Eric
Tight Lines
Big Fish
Juls_OH
08-28-2002, 03:22 PM
#####, this just means I have to start wearing my glasses ALL the time now!
Thanks for setting it straight Eric. I trust you. I could have sworn I was reading 65! That's scary. lol
Juls
Fish_on
08-28-2002, 05:37 PM
Pretty common for a speedo to read 5-7 m.p.h. higher than the GPS speed. Don't go in for eye surgery just yet.
Pitts
08-30-2002, 05:59 AM
This is the boat that Frankies had on display right.
The first thing I noticed is that there is not a high step from the top of the fender to get inside easily when the boat is on the trailer and it was a pain to enter.
I don't know if this was only because it was a full windsheild or if all of there boats are that hard to get into.
I personally am in and out my boat on dry land about as much as I am in it fishing. You know cleaning , repairing , adding new hardware, ect.
The boat is a real nice boat with tons of room and storage with great compartment lights and hydraulic rod helpers.
The control console for livewells, lights, and motor tilt from the bow area is a big plus also. Along with the center rod compartment and insulated cooler up front. (I think I could pitch a tent up front and stay overnight it's so big :) )
I have an opinion about Frankies but I have never had any dealings with them. It may be just first impressions but the boats dry storage areas including the center rod locker were full of water from the rain storm Wed morning and I was looking Thur afternoon. The guy admitted they should get a wet dry vac and clean them out and I agree it didn't look good :) He also said that a 250 hp would be the way to go on this boat.
I like glass boats and I am eventually going to go big when the pocket book will let me.
Just my .02 worth
Pitts
slip_bobber
08-30-2002, 06:40 AM
Pitts'
"I have an opinion about Frankies but I have never had any dealings with them."
Piease explian or email me. I realy would like to know. (I work at Frankie's.)
Thanks
michaelmeyerjr@walleyemotion.com
ILLEYE
08-30-2002, 06:43 AM
I noticed the 621 doesn't have the vs setback like their other models. For those of you that have tested this rig, how does this affect the ride? Also, as far as getting into the boat, I use the spare tire as a step on my 692. The fenders don't work well for getting in and out.
dc/co
08-30-2002, 07:42 AM
I heard that they put a new seat in this 621, will a person benefit by putting Glyde Rydes in it or not. Have one on order and dont know whether to order a pair of Glyde Rydes or not.
Thanks
Darrell
I heard that on new Rangers the warranties would be voided if Glyde-Rydes were used. They based this decision on people pushing these boats past there limits in rough conditions there-by causing damage that would not occur if these boats were run under normal safe operating conditions. Just what I heard, makes alittle sense to me.
I haven't heard of this and doubt it to be the case. Glyde Ryde's John Estes goes to great lengths to try and make people understand that there is no substitute for prudent navigation, and that that shock absorbtion seat bases are only for safty, comfort and convience.
Anyone can take a boat out and break things. If you want to push yourself and your equipment to the absolute limit, join the armed forces. They've got jobs for you, and you may even get hazardous duty pay.
Some of us old guys, need all the help we can get, and aren't about to bust up our gear. Why in the world would Ranger void our warrantee, when we're only trying to prolong our ability to get out on the water.
Sorry, if I seemed a little short. I guess you hit a soft spot!!
If there would have been such a thing as Glyde Rydes 20 or 30 years ago, I might not walk so funny.
JohnF
08-30-2002, 10:04 AM
Pitts,
It is with great concern I am writing this post. Your reference to being in your boat on dry land as much as fishing and pitching a tent and living in the front of the boat are symptomatic of OCD. I think you are a mental case.
John
P.S. Just kidding around... :)
JohnF
08-30-2002, 10:09 AM
I talked to the Ranger factory dudes about this. These seats are going to be on all of the 600 series. (That's what he told me!) I would be inclined to give the seat a chance before ordering the other seats.
When I asked about installing GlydeRydes he told me that they advise against it. He didn't tell me that they void the warranty. I thought the 620 storage was shortened a bit so Glyde Rydes would fit.(?) I called to see if this could be a factory install option.
John Flaherty
Mother
08-30-2002, 01:57 PM
To lazy to log in.
Seats!!! Are they designed to be removable ? I'm sure they are.
Are the seat bases designed for seat type/form interchangeable ?
Once again, I'm sure they are.
How can RANGER (as if we should bow to them) say a different seat
type can void Hull warranty - Is a seat design/type a personal
preference ? Does it alter the hull ? General rigging is more
detrimental to hull integrity.
The assumption that one will abuse a boat -fully subjective-
due to seat choice cannot have ANY legal merit much less be
defensible.
How about the 400lber' parked against the 'Leanin' seat/post
in 3 footers,we gonna void the warranty for that.
Make it stop - If thats how 'tough' these new Rangers are gonna be,
I'm takin' my cash to Triton-Javelin-whomever. It's insulting,
even if it's rumor mill clowning.
Mother
ps - I can't stand it
Actually, spring/cylinder assisted seats are not new. Some bass fellas tried them in the early 80's. They certainly helped the ride, but as mentioned here, they take the snap out of the ride, and drivers seemed to push them too hard. Equipment failure and unsafe conditions were concerns. That's the same concerns I read here. Any one can stress common sense. That's fine, but I don't think ranger or anyone else is out of line cautioning or recomending against them. The early 80's was the last I saw of those types of seats in bass boats. Go fast boats take some seat "FEEL" to drive them safely. Any device taking away from that feel puts the handling in question. Walleye boats approaching 60MPH gives me reason to pause on this matter.
Glyde Rides....I think they take up a lot of room for what they do.
Juls_OH
08-30-2002, 05:46 PM
Don't blame Glyde Rydes for bad judgement in how an operater drives the boat. Try and take away my Glyde Rydes and see what happens...if you dare...;-)
Yeah, you no longer feel it in the "seat", but with common sense and use of your other senses, you won't damage the boat. Period.
I wouldn't go back to a regular seat for anything in the world. It's not worth the headache...literally!
Juls
GAZHOG
08-30-2002, 06:39 PM
Darrell - Send me an e-mail and I can tell you in detail about the seats or any other 621 questions. Very nice upgrade, it is like sitting in a home recliner. I also drove the rig at Saginaw. Personally, I would wait before ordering the suspension seats.
Ron Gazvoda
rgazvoda@wideopenwest.com
Big Dave
08-30-2002, 07:01 PM
Today, I viewed the 621 live at the Mn. State Fair. Great layout, lots of room, well designed....but is it ugly! It's a one out of ten on the Bova scale. It's a bass boat, not a Walleye boat. When will Walleye fisherman realize that they don't need to fish out of a "shooting gallery" design. As a Tyee and Boston Whaler owner I can't believe anyone would pay 30k for such a rig. One can only hope that bass fishing mentality doesn't overtake the traditions of Walleye fishing. It may be a great rig but it just didn't feel right.
Pitts
08-30-2002, 08:05 PM
Sure
I stopped to look at a 617 when I was in the market for a boat and I noticed that they had all 125 merc 2 strokes on them and all plain Jane white with lame excuses that changed about why the stock of 617s were all 1 type with 1 motor 25 hp under powered.
The salesman I talked to came across very stong and pushy when I was looking at the 617 this was my first impression of that dealer totally.
Second time I talk to the exact same salesman at the Fair a lot more relaxed guy not nearly as pushy and seemed an alright guy. Maybe it's because he knew I wasn't buying which I made clear shortly after asking to inspect the inside.
The nagging sensation came back when I opened the dry storage and there was 3" of water standing in the bottom. This is my premier rig I have on display and even if the tops were left open in a thunderstorm you would think someone would have cleaned and dried out the boats afterwards let alone 24 hours later, the water was scummy.
Hey sometimes first impressions don't count and are not a true reflection of a company.
Again MY .02 worth
Pitts
Waz,
I talked with John Estes Gylde Ryde Pres. He just laughed and said "yes that's been going around. No truth to it."
I also got a call from Tim Houk Director of Service for Ranger Boats. He said there is no problem with Gylde Rydes. The seat bases and their installations aren't warranteed but they have no effect what-so-ever on hull warrantee.
Scott Richardson
09-04-2002, 02:13 PM
What's the list on the 621 with a 250...? Anyone know off hand?
Scott Richardson
Grampa_joe
09-06-2002, 02:21 PM
I drove that same 621 a couple days ago and while it didn't have a GPS on it, I was guessing 50 something.
Joe Carlson
Grampa_joe
09-06-2002, 02:24 PM
It actually does have a setback if you look at the back of the boat. It's a long way under there to pull the plug. It's just that they flattened out the back corners of the boat more.
Joe Carlson
Grampa_joe
09-06-2002, 02:27 PM
When I drove this boat there wasn't a ripple on the water, but I'm told that there is a built in spring in the new seats. I'm also told that there won't be a strap on the seat. It will lock in the down position.
Joe Carlson
Bass Boat? Shooting gallery? Bass boats evolved out of flats boats...probably the most efficient casting machines ever made. Walleye boats differ quite a bit, especially in the back end. How this boat reminds anyone of a bass boat is beyond me. I don't see it, especially with that huge transom. Doesn't seem to be the same, even as a 620. The 621 hull is deeper...you won't find that on a bass boat...or most other walleye boats except maybe a Javelin MSX.