Is It Legal?

[chet]

Neighbor here on Millelacs takes out his 3 year daughter in the evening when its flat on the lake and he himself reels in the bites on both poles. He does all the casting and netting too!

[AquaMan]

Seems like he is skating a thin line between technical and moral responsibility.

I fish with my daughter, but we go for the sunnies and I have no time to rig my own rod since I am attending to hers.

Makes me think that he is abusing a few privileges including the right to fish with his daughter.......

AquaMan~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Brian/MN]

I think the key is that your neighbor does all the reeling in, he's really fishing two lines by himself. My 3 year old daughter is a good jig fisher-girl, and she baits her own hook and reels in her fish. I don't feel a bit bad letting her take home 1 or 2 of "her" fish.

On the other hand, I've been on Lake Superior salmon charters where they'd take a limit of fish for every licensed angler on board, regardless of how many people were actually tending rods and participating in the fishing.

[FJH1]

I take my 3 year old daughter out as well. We can legally troll with (3) rods per person. We troll with a total of (4) rods. I "help" her reel in the fish, we release everything. Since she is assisting in the reeling-in of the fish I don't think it's wrong that we have out (4) rods. If she decided she needed a nap or something I would only fish with (3) rods, even though she was still in the boat. I agree with the other post the daughter should help reel in the fish. This would at least make it look as though she was participating.

Best Regards,

FJH

[Hans]

Maybe technically legal, but morally it sucks.

Sort of like my neighbor who buys three deer licenses (for him, his wife, and a kid). Then fills all the tags himself while the wife and kid are at work and school respectively.

Hans

--
"There is nothing; absolutely nothing; half so much worth doing,
as simply messing about in boats." :-)

[Mike]

I do beleve this is not legal. A person must cast and attend their own pole in Mn.

[AquaMan]

I agree, legal, yes, moraly wrong in both the fishing and hunting scenerios.

It really depends on the intent of the fisherman, though. If education and gentle introduction are the goals, then good for him. However, if meat is the goal and the daughter's limit was used to fill the freezer, then SHAME ON HIM.

AquaMan~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[cisco]

I've talked to a couple WDNR wardens about this very matter. The only thing they would say is that it is a "judgement call" -- they would observe and "judge" whether the child was at all fishing. Of course there's the other "judgement" call in Wis about when a moving boat is trolling.
So-called judgement calls leave too many open ends for abuse.

[crash]

Just to stir things up a bit...

I fish with my daughter regularly and its usually Daddy hooks em and Daughter reels em in. Now very rarly is it a species with a limit envolved. But every now and then we find a school of bass and load up.

How would they count those fish? lets say the limit is five per man, I have 10 fish on a stringer that all of them I hooked and she reeled in...

I know my feelings, just wondering whats "reely" right..

[Eyez]

I would have to think that you're ok with that. You're both actively taking part in the process of landing the fish, and you're within your legal limit. There should be no argument from any officer about that.


Eyez

[Hans]

I think you are perfectly within the rules. Further, you're giving your daughter a great gift in learning to enjoy the sport of fishing.

The other jerk is just using his daughter as a "placeholder for another limit".

Hans

--
"There is nothing; absolutely nothing; half so much worth doing,
as simply messing about in boats." :-)

[erik]

Agreed Hans - What a great way to introduce a child to fishing huh??

[crash]

Just to clarify before I start getting flamed for it, I've never had this situation happen, yet. So don't start complaining about how we're empting the lake, and I should be teaching her catch and release. I always ask her if she wants to keep it and I'm yet to get a yes.

On the lighter side, I've been succesful in getting almost every female member of my faimly fishing and the score this year is pretty sad.

My Daughter Taylor landed a 5lb Lg.mouth Memorial day weekend.

My wife Landed a 6lb pike from shore on her first cast ever.

My sis-in-law flew to Alaska and caught a 20lb salmon.

You notice I havn't said anything about what I got, we won't go there......

[GrbDnet]

Shoot- looks like I need to bring the neighbors kids next time I fish Mil lacs. Lets see I can fit about 10 in my boat-- Oh and don't forget the gill nets. Unlimited resource, 10,000 lakes what the heck.

[jeff reed]

You guys gotta be kiddin me. He's taking his daughter fishing leave him alone. Maybe he speeded his car on the way to the lake. Maybe he smokes. Maybe he has stains on his underwear. Maybe he is a golfer. Maybe he doesn't practice safe sex. Just maybe he has enough money to afford an attorney so if some Minnesota DNR guy wants to push the issue he can defend himself in court. WHAT'S THE CHANCE OF A JURY CONVICTING A FATHER AND HIS 3 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER FISHING WITH 2 LINES. Any other HOLIER THAN THOUGH nit-picking crap YOU GUYS WANNA DISCUSS????

[eyegetit]

Maybe you better sit this one out Jeff. Not sure you understand the "morals" part.

[chrism]

You gotta great catch!
A wife and daughter that like to fish!

[chet]

Sounds to me like Jeff is Chets neighbor in MN. How can you consider that taking her fishing, if all she did is stare at the water, or the side of the boat? If you can't see the moral issues involved here, you must be a bigger idiot than you sounded like in your reply.

[jeff reed]

Yah right pal....betcha you got a Jerry Falwell poster in your bedroom too. How do you know that the guy orignating this post is stating the facts let alone the truth. You take what he says as the truth. Maybe he reeled in a couple because his daughter didnt or couldn't complete the task. Cut him some slack, she is only 3 years old !!!!!!! DO YOU self righteous indivuduals get off on this Peyton Place and Harper Valley PTA garbage. GET A LIFE. If people like you worried half as much about your own life as you do about everbody elses, this world would be a much better place to live. Seems to me you should direct your efforts to the scum back low life Indians raping the Mille Lacs fish than this guy and his daughter.

[jeff reed]

You don't know she was staring at the water, buddy because you weren't there. Don't assume the negative in a situation to bolster your point cause that tactic don't wash with me. You guys are confusing "morals" with "ethics". A 3 year old could care less, she just fishing with her DAD.

[smiley]

okay...now breathe..2 - 3 - 4 and exhale 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6...
Keep smiling..it's okay.

[Leo Kam]

I thought the law was if a minor child is fishing with a parent and doesn't have their own license or the parent doesn't have a family license, then their catch has to be counted in with the parent's allowable catch. 6 walleyes in the boat would be legal,7 illegal. I fish Lake Pepin. If I had both Minn. & Wisc. licenses(which I dont), I could legaly possess 6 walleyes for each license. Is it morally right. I dont know; but, along those lines, how many of you have more then 6 walleyes in the freezer that just you yourself have caught.

[Backwater Eddy]

If he can safely keep a eye on 2 or more rods and a 3 year old, and the boat at the same time thats amazing? Most adults have a atention span of 3 min, a 3 year old kid has one of 30 sec at best, trolling may be a chalenge? It would take a tv to keep the child loking in one direction for 1 min let alone a trolling set. But anytime a kid gets to go fishing safely it is good!

[REW]

I think that if you check the fishing regulations for MN., it says that there is no license required of a child under the age of 16. However, even though this child is leagaly fishing without a license, he or she is entitled to a full limit of a particualar fish species.

So, if a father had an individual angler license, and he had 4 children in the boat, he could leagally have 5 lines in the water at a time and he could legally have 30 walleyes in the livewell.

If we check the wording of the law as printed on the 2000 license rules book:

"Angling Methods
Anglers may use only one hook. An artificial lure is considered one hook. A treble hook, when not part of an artificial lure, is considered three hooks and is not legal. The exceptions are: Three artificial flies may be used when angling for trout, crappie, sunfish, and rock bass.
Anglers may use only one line. The exceptions are: a) Two lines may be used through the ice (other than on designated trout lakes and streams); and b) Two lines may be used on Lake Superior when more than 100 yards from the point where a tributary stream or river enters the lake.
Using whole or parts of game fish, goldfish, or carp for bait is unlawful.


Angling with an unattended line, setline, or trotline is unlawful.


Angling for any species on a designated trout water is unlawful when the trout season is closed.
Anglers must remain within 200 feet of their tip-up.
Possessing or using live minnows on designated stream trout lakes is unlawful. Only dried, frozen, or pickled (brined) minnows are allowed.
Using an artificial light to lure or attract fish, or to see fish when spearing, is unlawful.
The use of explosives, firearms, chemicals (not including fish scents), or electricity for taking fish is unlawful.
It is unlawful to intentionally take a fish by snagging. "

The key sentence in this list of rules, is the one that states that it is illegal to fish with an unattended line.
So by definition, if a child is in the same boat as the rod -- the child is attending the line.

So, however anyone else may interpret the law, those are the rules for legal or moral consumption.

Take care and practice catch and release.

REW

[drizz]

You're wrong on the hunting. You will get busted for that.

[Steve]

I think it is cool he is taking his daughter fishing.
With the current slot limit I would be surprised if he is regularly taking two limits of fish... Maybe I just saying this becouse I wish I had childern of my own to enjoy the outdoors with.

[bob oh]

Wow, are we a little bit racist Jeff?
Bob

[AquaMan]

LAST EDITED ON Jun-29-00 AT 09:10AM (CST)[p]Ease up Jeff. The question was whether or not we thought that scenario was legal. If we are "nit-picking" it was what was asked.

Yeah, he might have broken a thousand laws getting to the water but we were not focusing on that issue. Like I said earlier, if he was interested in education and exposure; Great! But if he is using his daughter to fill the limit for meat, then SHAME ON HIM.

What was this guys intentions? That is the real question.

Have a safe 4th, bud!

AquaMan~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Hans]

REW said:

> So by definition, if a child is in the
> same boat as the rod -- the child is
> attending the line.

Bovine excrement!

"Attend(ing)" is defined in my Funk and Wagnalls as "to take care of charge of; look after" and "to pay attention to".

There is no definition which reads "in the general vicinity" or "in the same boat".

If I have all 13 of my grand-kids on a pontoon boat, is it OK for me to manage 14 fishing lines while they play or take naps? Just because they are "in the same boat" does not mean they are "attending" one of the fishing lines.

Hans

[Capt_Paul]

In Wis. it would be illegal for your daughter or you to catch more than your limit. 10 is your combined limit you must do 5 she must do 5. I learned this the hard way.

[Capt_Paul]

In Wis. it would be illegal for your daughter or you to catch more than your limit. 10 is your combined limit you must do 5 she must do 5. I learned this the hard way.

[cisco]

That's precisely why, as the laws now read, it is a judgement call -- Put it this way: is it reasonable to have a line in the water for a one-year-old infant on board?

Let 3-year olds go along on an outing (not so long as to turn them off) but don't make it a fishing outing in which the kid is ostensibly an active participant. Whenever there are fuzzy laws there are enforcement abuses.

[CI_Guy]

I'm not sure about other states but Mn. doesn't have a "family" licence. You can get an individual licence or a husband-wife combination licence. Any one under 16 doesn't need a licence to fish.

[smally]

right on jeff! couldn't have said it better myself. the important thing for the 3 yr. old girl is that daddy took her fishing. she has no concept of fishing for meat over fishing for fun. what morals exactly is this guy lacking?

[cisco]

And what does "anyone" mean? That's the bind in the illustration used here. Becomes a judgement call for enforcement personnel. How many 3-year olds actual fish?

[smally]

Maybe you should explain exactly how this would be morraly wrong.

[smally]

aquaman, as usual you've nailed it right on the head.

[Gray Ghost]

Hans, your neighbor is way on the illegal side. Not even a gray area there.

GG

[Jim O]

N/m

[Fin Addict]

I have a 3-1/2 year old that regularly catches walleyes with jigs (better at it than most adults I take out and far better focused on what he is doing, this kid will fish 6 hours no problem). My 2 year old will reel in a sunfish by himself on a fly rod and also has tremendous interest and attention span when fishing. My 15 year old daughter rarely even watches her line so she generally does not have it in the water. If they can reel in a fish and enjoy it then by all means a 3 - or even 2 year old - should be allowed a rod. If the dad is just using her for extra lines then he is going against the spirit of the law here. Doesn't sound like much fun for the daughter. The problem will be over when she refuses to go because he doesn't get to participate (too bad!). I generally do not fish when I am helping the kids to catch fish, too much work just watching them.

[jeff reed]

Racist???? I didn't say anything about anybodies skin color or ethnic background. You better look up the definition of the word before you start using it in complete sentences.

[jeff reed]

That's just it Aquaman, we don't know what his real intentions may be. But I certainly don't assume the worst case scenario and question his "morals" and his "parenting skills". We started this post by asking a question. Now we have got the guy convicted as poaching slob and a good example of what a "Dad" isn't suppose to be. What a great way to get exercise by jumping to conclusions without ALL the facts. Heck, My personal opinion is I think the guy cheats on his income tax. Is there anything else we can throw on his back????

[jeff reed]

My Point exactly.

[jeff reed]

Hey Smally, let me run this one by you.


Let's say an Indian takes his 3 year old daughter to attend gill nets or spear walleyes. His daughter is just happy to be with her DADDY. There are all sorts of ways to look at situations isn't there???? Through the eyes of a child at 3 years old there is no right or wrong. Boy, will I get ripped for thinking up this.

[smally]

good point jeff. this whole issue is loaded. just like the media can manipulate facts to suit their own purpose, this issue can be looked at a hunedered different ways to draw a hundered different conclusions. the most important aspect of this whole scenario is that the guy took his child fishing, end of story!

[Gunga Din]

As Cisco said, these laws are purposely written to allow for interpretation. As Jeff Reed said, there's more to the story we're not hearing. As the rest said, they could not in good conscience do the same with their children.

We all see things daily that go against our moral grain. I think all we can do is follow our conscience. Sometimes it's best just to shake your head in bewilderment of the offenders' lack of integrity and go merrily about your business. Report unethical behavior if you think it's warranted, but don't let the actions of others ruin your day. Life's too short...

[smally]

gunga-din, i hope you are wrong that most people on this board would not do what this fellow was doing because it would be against their principles. if that is true then most of the people on this board are self righteous hypocrites as jeff reed earlier said. i can't believe that is the case. i have not yet heard a good explaination for why this guys morals should be questioned. just what is wrong with what he is doing? please someone enlighten me!

[AquaMan]

Point taken. But, I think that you blew a gasket over it and I was merely pointing out where we were comming from and why. It's all good.

Don't blow any fingers or toes of next week.! <grin>

AquaMan~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Box (MN)]

Those were purty harsh words! :-)

Usually attending lines means being in the vicinity, if I'm not mistaken (come on, bringing a Funk-n-Wag definition into the pot??). Just look at tip-ups as an example. You'd still get a ticket if you were more than 80 feet from your dock but WATCHING (attending?) a bobber with binocs. And I take a cat-nap with my line in the water and the rod on my chest plenty. Or maybe my bro will watch my bobber for me, and hit me if it goes under. What's the difference - just cause it's a kid?

How many of the people complaining about this guy would still be complaining if the story was that he had 2 lines in and let the kid catch each and every fish that hit? Heck, I do that when I take little kids fishing... they are actually using my line in addition to theirs... I guess I'm teaching them illegal ways... I'm a bad person.

If the kid had fun that's great! If the guy kidnapped the kid and forced her into the boat for a few fillets, that's bad. If THEY BOTH got to eat a few fish after, that's great!

Box
(MN)

[EXNJ]

I would have to disagree with your assessment of "attending the lines". Yes, I am sure Websters is correct for writing sentences, but fishing is not essay writing. Just last night, I had my three sons (6,7,11) with me and we each had our own pole. My oldest cast out his nightcrawler and set the pole down so he could go play over by his other brothers at the other end of the dock who where trying to catch the little sunfish with their poles. He "heard" a noise,looked, and saw his pole hitting the railing of the dock. He ran about 20 feet to grab the pole and proceeded to land a 3 lb Largemouth. Now, according to Webster and myself, who would have been mad if the pole went into the water, he was not attending the pole, but to me that is just the way kids fish most times. As far as legal, yes to the man with his daughter. Moral, depends on his end means with the catch. As far as morals, they only apply to the man in this situation. The 3 yr old won't remember a thing about the trip except for Dad took her on a boat and that has a pretty slim chance to be remembered once she is older. We put back almost all the fish that we catch and always have a fun time fishing together.

Everyone out here in Colorado/Manitou Springs is mourning over the death at the hands of her father of a little 7 year old girl today. When put in perspective, let's just try to enjoy the gifts OUR children give us by being themselves and to have as much fun with OUR kids as possible because isn't that what matters most! As previously stated...life is to short. Tight Lines.

[crash]

IF THIS, IF THAT, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF......

TOO MANY IFS HERE...

If I was fishin, I wouldn't be here..
Ancient Michigander Proverb

[jeff reed]

No blown gasket for me Aquaman. I just like to defend the underdog. Comes from too many law, political science and communication classes in college. Probably should have been an attorney but then I'd be a legalized scroundrel. When I find a really hot topic and blow a gasket, you will be the first guy I will notify.

[eyesore]

Jeff Reed, you dropped the sledge hammer right on the head of that little framing nail! 10-4!

[mkebenn]

Jeff,
While I agree that we don't have enough info to judge this man's intentions, and the daughter is enjoying herself either way, don't you see anything racist about "scum back lowlife indians"?
Tight lines, Mike in E.A.

[blindeye]

yawn.... Anybody fishing here?

JR go hang out at wallstreetcentral.com You bore me with your disseminations.

[Jeff reed]

NO I DON'T. Fact #1 Indians are a "Super Minority" by Congressional treaty. Fact #2 Indians gill net and spear walleyes where you and I cannot, but you and I must must buy fishing licenses and pay the fishing and hunting bills while a few OVER harvest the resource by unethical methods. In my opinion that is Low life and Scummy. A racial comment would be along the lines of "Blacks eating watermelons or Indians drinking whiskey". I based my comments on my OPINION on their being low life and and scummy for their ACTIONS. Because they are Indians only identifies them as the offending party. If I would have said the same comment about O.J. Simpson would you have called me racist too. Hope That's the problem with white people in America today, they are so afraid to state their opinions concerning the actions of minorities because the minorities will call them the "R" word. I am proud to say I am NOT one of those WHITE PEOPLE. If I feel the minority is taking advantage of the situation, he can gets my opinion whether he like it or not. The calling of me racist only tells me he can't justify his actions. Hope this clears things up.

[jeff reed]

Great. Then let me bore you with piston design of outboard engines or fuel economy between a 96 150 MERC efi and and 1995 175 OMC. ALso include sensitivity between Loomis and St. Croix rods, leaking boats, messed up electronics, etc. That's the stuff boring is made of, pal. If you don't like intellectual stimulation you need to find another topic that's suits you. This topic doesn't appear it was fulfilling your interests.

[blindeye]

Whatever, PAL. It is self proclaimed experts like yourself that get on my nerves. You don't offer advice..you try and cram it down everyones throat. AND if you offered your OPINIONS in a more respectful manner you might generate a more enjoyable outcome. It appears that all your doing is pissing people off with your arrogant ligations.

[Hop]

Is this one done yet?

Should have had a fork in it by now.

DHOP......Good fishing

[jeff reed]

I never proclaimed to be an expert and if you think my comments are heading that way I take that as a compliment. If you're looking for advice you wont't find it here. I suggest you contact Annlanders.com or maybe OPRAHWInfrey.com. My opinions are my opinions, I do not state my opinions here or any place else to try to impress you or anybody else. If you like them great, if you don't that's great. The trouble with people today is that they don't have opinions about anything because they are too ignorant of what's happening in the world. You have a nice day.

[Fish-o]

Is this Jeff character for real? What an embarrassment to himself. Smile everyone and be good to each other.

[Eyesore]

Fish-o, smile and be nice to everyone is right, but it seems a few dont know when to laugh a little. I've posted some oddities just so everone could get a chuckle, then a few who take 100% serious will come back with a nasty post. Lighten up everone. you get 90% buisness and 10% joke to boot on the message boards. ..............10-4

[jeff reed]

Right ON Eyesore....they take ME too serious sometimes too!!!

[cisco]

No one take you so seriously as you.

Scroll down this thread and see how often Jeff Reed is here -- then read how often he talks of Jeff Reed.

[Jeff reed]

SO, What's your point. Since when is there a limit on responses.

[Chet]

I just got back from a 4 day vacation,and as I said in reply #17(What an idiot).Thanks for not letting me down Jeff!!!

[smally]

okay guys you have had your shots at ol jeff. now it is time to listen to what he's said. i believe he is correct in almost everything he's had to say on this subject. may have gone a bit overboard with the indian comment, but i commend him for having the balls to state his opinion. by the way i'm still waiting for someone to explain the moral issue of this to me. Chet, you stated that jeff was an idiot because he couldn't see the moral issue. i guess i am too, because i fail to see any moral issue here. and hans, what would be wrong if you had your 14 grandkids in the boat and tended all the lines yourself? there is nothing illegal or imoral withi this at all. in fact you should be commended for bringing fishing into the lives of so many youngsters. guys i'm still waiting. i wonder why no one has answered me. hmmmm?

[Eyesore]

Smally, you said it man. You get a BIG 10-4!

[Frank was Chet by mistake]

Smally,you say you cant see a moral issue here,well in my book cheating is a moral issue.Cheating is exactly what this man is doing!!!He is cheating his daughter out of the real fishing experience.Read the original thread,the man does all the casting,reeling,and netting.Now i can see the casting and netting,but the reeling is in the gray areas you guys talk so much about.If the guy wants to say he took his daughter for a boat ride or if he wants to say he took her to the great outdoors fine but dont sit there and defend a guy who took his daughter out so he could run another rod.Jeff wants to make the argument that we were not there,we dont know the facts.Read the thread,the facts are there.This man is also cheating the creel quota for his state.If there was a thousand fathers doing the same thing the numbers start adding up pretty quick.He is also cheating every one of us who doesnt have an extra body to put in the boat for extra rods.You want to say that the bottom line is he took his daughter fishing,what a way to introduce a youngster to fishing.{Daddy took me fishing so he could run two rods}Maybe idiot was a strong word but it was not vulgar and i was only stating my strong opinion..Sorry for punching Chet into the name box in the reply

[Frank]

Interesting reading. We don't have all the information. If the guy is only taking his limit of fish and not the young ones even though he is fishing with two rods I feel he is doing nothing wrong. The child may have been taking a rest and dad was helping out. There is a lot of conjecture here. The father may be just humouring the child who may not be ready to reel in fish. We don't know nor do I care to know. The native comments are inappropriate. The natives I know are trying to get by the best way they can, just like you and I.
Good fishing: Frank

[smally]

frank, how is this cheating? let's look at this they way you are. you think that becaause he is doing all the tending of the lines, that is somehow illegal. well what about when you take a charter on the great lakes. the mates do all the tending of the lines, all you do as a client is reel up the fish. with the logic you are trying to spew, that would be illegal and immoral. C'MON!!! get a grip of reality here. this 3 year old girl has no ability to comprehend the diiference between fishing for fun and fishing for meat. when she is allitle older, yes then this guy has a moral obligation to teach ethics to his daughter. right now he is fine in what he is doing, in my opinion. the biggest supporter of my view would be the people whose responsablity it would be to enforce this so called transgression-the local DNR. and guess what, there isn't a single person in that position that would even consider doing so. so we must conclude that since the enforcement agency says it's okay, how in god's name is this cheating to everyone else? the answer to that is simple - IT ISN'T!!!!

[Frank from TBay]

There seems to be two Franks on this board. I have changed my handle to Frank from TBay to avoid any confusion as to the poster. I did write the previous post #69.
Good fishing: Frank

[EAGLE EYES]

The guy took his 3 year old daughter out fishing? And someone is complaining about that? The guy deserves a round of applause for spending time showing his daughter the sport. As far as morals go, not taking her with at all would be lesser of the guy. Unless, it was an Indian. (Just kidding)! No need to flare up that issue again. I've already been there and done that.

[Eyesore]

I would like to take this oportunity to state my opinion on this subject. What the man in minn. is doing is ok. If he and his daughter were to do the same thing in ontario, it would most likely be illegal. This is NOT to bash canadiens,but rather my opinion of the differentation of laws. Ontario is a gem, no doubt, but the laws on anything there are severely restrictive on most anything fisherman enjoy doing. Save your posts on bashing USA/CAN. I'm just saying that there is a big difference in laws. 10-4! By the way Jeff, were those indians in a birch bark canoe, with a sharp twig, or were they equiped with a 190 pro vmax 225 evinrude with lowrance 240. 10-4!

[Eyesore]

Eagle eyes, BIG 10-4!

[Hans]

> ....and hans, what
>would be wrong if you
>had your 14 grandkids in
>the boat and tended all
>the lines yourself?

*14* grandkids? I only got 13 grandkids, but maybe I miscounted. Hope I got enough lifevests to put one on each. <grin>

Anyhow, on a serious note, here's my argument....

If I have 13 kids aboard to teach them all how to fish, and each of them is responsible for a rod, then there is nothing wrong.

On the other hand, if I have 13 kids aboard (as passive passengers) for the purpose of allowing me 14 rigs in the water, and if I am tending all the rods, then that is a flagrant affront to sportsmanship, even if it *is* technically legal (which I doubt).

If you have a problem with that opinion, there is further instruction at the following URL:

www.amishrakefight.org/gfy

Hans

--
"There is nothing; absolutely nothing; half so much worth doing,
as simply messing about in boats." :-)

[bigal]

huntig? this is fishing

[Frank from Pa.]

Smally,you said tending the lines would be okay and I agree but then you said the magic word RRRRREEEEEEEELLLLIIINNNGGG!!I have been on 4 man charters and we were running 12 lines cause of the first mate and the captain.In my opinion this is even illegal,but the captain is trying to make a living and we just shelled out a few hundred and I wasn't about to argue with the captain 10 miles from shore.I see this sort of thing every Aril here in PA, when a million trout fishermen storm peoples back yards and invade private propety to catch a 9in.trout.I've seen people get ticked for not having seperate stringers for each child they had with them,also for not having seperate bait containers, or for unattended childrens lines in the water.If I take a child ice fishing here I am legally not allowed to touch a single one of the childs lines.I've actually been watched with binocs for this very reason.Maybe Pa. has these gray areas covered a bit better,hence our diference of opinion.How about I say nothing is illegal until you get caught with my slight grip on reality that I have.

[smally]

frank in pa, all i can say to that is that i'm ##### glad i live in michigan and not in pa. that is about as ****** up a waste of conservation enforcement dollars as i have ever heard of.

smally.

p.s. i'm not sure what you mean by tending and reeling, when you made reference to my post.

[Jeff Reed]

Really, the Indians I saw had a 24 ft Hydra Sports with twin 225 Mercs drinking Perrier with their accountants discussing the BIG MONEY they are making in the Casino business.

[jay]

Dam JEFF keep up the good work your my kind of guy straight forward & to the point.

[Frank from Pa.]

Smally,I was referring to the same thing you said in reply #70.You said the first mate did all the tending of the lines,and all you do is reel in the fish (Key Word: REEL).

p.s.
I need out of this state evidently, I'd hate to leave the Allegheny River though!

[jeff reed]

I wouldn't have it any other way, Jay. As Dennis Miller says, "but that's my opinion and I could be wrong."

[smally]

frank, i know what you were referring to in my post. what i don't understand is what you mean by reeling being the keyword. is it that that the 3 yr. old girl wasn't reeling in the fish therefore she wasn't fishing? please explain.

[State servant]

Give me a freakin break. What are you going to do turn him in! Dont you have something better to do than worry about something like that!You remind me of that old bibical quote! "he who is free from sin shall cast the first stone". does this guy catch more fish than you , why would you even be concered about what he is doing in the boat? I Is he coming in with way over his limit or what!Please explain why this concerns you and the real funny part of this is that some of your responses here seem to be very self rightoues!

[Me thinks he does there isnt a moral issue here bu]

>Maybe you better sit this one
>out Jeff. Not sure you
>understand the "morals" part.

[eye lunker]

There you go .feff i couldnt have said it any better!

[smally]

state servant, i like your way of thinking. this guy is absolutely harmless to the rest of us. what he is doing has no impact on any of us. it also has no impact on the fishery. what it does give is for all of the these self-righteous morons to get on some moral high ground so they can talk down about the guy. i hope he is a regular here on walleye central, and is having a good chuckle at all of these idiotic notions of moral decay. if i could, i would walk up to him and shake his hand, let him borrow both of my kids so he could have even more lines in the water while introducing youngsters to fishing.

[Frank in Pa.]

Smally,If she wasn't casting,reeling,or netting,how is this considered fishing?I must be very confused cause I don't understand the argument.Pa summary of fishing regulation and laws states,[FISHING DEFINED]-the act of angling,or to catch,take,or remove from any waters or other areas bordering this Commonwealth any fish by any means or method for any purpose whatsoever.

[5-SPEED]

in MN. you can only catch and keep your limit of fish, and that's it. This is not like deer hunting where you can party hunt. If he is doing all the work then he is poaching. This man should be told the rule's or be turned in for this watse of your natural resources!

[EyeBoy]

OOOOOOOoooooooLook!!!! That's the flattest cat I eversaw! If you guy's run over it one more time, it will only have one side.
FISH-ON!!!