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Walleye Express
01-15-2003, 11:13 PM
Made a mistake yesterday. Posted a thread on the strictly fishing board that should have been posted on the general board. I was wrong, and apologized for doing so. Of course not before I suffered the slings and arrows of several Guest users who frowned on my mistake. Hey, I’m a big boy, and I have myself mentioned to errant poster their mistake when the wrong subjects got onto the wrong boards. And I dont really have anything personally agains't guest users.
One thing though, seems every time I invite criticism on any of the boards, this same subject comes up. I’ll write it the same way the Guest user did. “Some of us have to work for a living”

Now, is it because I am retired? Or because I’m a charter captain, or what? If there’s one thing I’ve learned on this board, besides there are indeed some genuine people using it, is that to give too much of your personal information out on it, can invite some real venom by certain people. If you'll indulge me here, I’d like to clear up a few things, and probably invite more venom.

I hired into a GM foundry 1 month after I graduated from high school. My first job assignment was pouring Iron in #21 foundry. I manually ran a 6 ton hot metal crane, pouring V-8 engine pressure plates. You would dress in steel sleeved gloves up to your arm pits; wear a welding shield and baseball catchers chin guards. You worked with another man next to you doing the same thing. Hot metal would fly as you operated both the hoist with your right hand while you turned the armature and poured the hot metal into the moving molds with your left. You sustained many little burns, and the usual room temperature was 120 degrees. I would have quit that same day but I met a guy who was to become my best friend. His name was RED. He had hair like Ronald McDonald. It was 1970 remember.

Red drove the 20 ton over head hot metal crane that delivered the metal to us on the line. (Jump ahead almost 4 years.) I and red would take the same breaks so we could chew the fat, talk hunting and fishing and play cards downstairs in the cafeteria. One day reds partner didn’t come in, so he had to work through the breaks for a while until they got somebody else. I went on break and came back to find out that red had drove the 20 ton crane off the overhead, when a rail-stop failed, and had been killed when the 20 tons of hot metal poured out onto him.

Got off the iron pouring job and started running a hot box core machine. Making 475 B-cores for semi disk brakes. Came downstairs one day on lunch break. Was washing the Phermeldihide and Graphite off my face and hands when I heard a load pop. Sounded like a paper lunch bag being popped. Entered the cafeteria where a guy playing cards had just been shot in the throat by another player. Same thing happened in the main cafeteria 2 years later, but this guy lived.

(Jump ahead 7 years.) Got transferred to our sister plant Nodular Iron, across the street. A buddy who had just been bumped to 3rd shift #6 Molding was on his way up to the cafeteria for lunch. They were firing up #6 foundry main melter after it had been dropped. (That being emptied re-bricked and clay mudded because of wear). Rule number one, never pour hot 6000 degree iron onto any moisture or water. This creates an instant bomb. When they did, #6 blew up taking my buddy and 30 feet of concrete retainer wall with him into the #2 core room, almost 50 feet away. He was killed instantly. My last 6 years was spent palletizing V-6 and V-8 engine blocks. Had one come down the rollers ever 8 seconds. 26 to a pallet. Between 4 and 6 thousand a day, working 10 to 12 hours. I spent 25 years in that hole. Swore if I lived, I’d get out when I could and do what I wanted to do. So, I’m sorry I never worked.

guest
01-16-2003, 12:44 AM
HEY, that wasn't work The term I'm thinking is more like SLAVERY.
Glad you are still here with us. Feel free to post anything on any board ! Don't let them punks who will NEVER know REAL WORK get to you !
"WAIT, oh my god.... I have a blister on my PS2 finger, I better go on line and comnplain about someone not being on the right board ! " :-}

WALLEYE DREAMING
01-16-2003, 02:51 AM
Dan no need to apologize and with all due respect to the guest user post in this thread at least you don't have to hide your views and comments behind guest user. I look forward to your posts you tell it like it is.

AGU
01-16-2003, 06:44 AM
I looked for the post that you got flamed on, but can't find it. Can you point me in the right direction? I guess that I would like to see the context in which this took place.

Also, it must really be a bummer to work somewhere like that. After seeing your buddies get killed, working in that heat, and in general just having an apparently miserable time...did you ever consider getting another job? Or, did you figure that it would make for good stories later on? I'm just wondering why????????

AGU

tbomn
01-16-2003, 07:42 AM
Hey Dan,

I thought he was shootin' at me for not dusting that post right away.

I guess it's all how you look at it, how many times do I get shot at for being the one that has to dust all those posts. Oh well, in the society that we live in, someone has to be the bad guy, so everyone else can claim to be the victim. The victim thing seems to be a way of life now days.



ps. Like Scott says, "I have a day job to work also"

Keep on Smilin' :7

Sunshine
01-16-2003, 07:47 AM
Captain Dan,

You're posts are among the ones that I always read first. Very insightful, very honest and always thought provoking.

95% of all WC people are great, I've made many good friends here. Don't let the occasional punk that flies in and out of here on occasion get you down. They’re not worth your time or energy.

Many of us who contribute often here get blasted from time to time. I know first hand that it occasionally hurts but you need to ignore these people on go on. If you reply in anger you'll only put more fuel on the fire. The instigators are usually looking for a reaction and if you don't give them one they move on.

If someone swears at you, defames you or does a personal attack just use the alert button, people here on WC try real hard to keep the best.

I'll also add that there are times when people attack your opinion NOT you. There's nothing wrong with this. Keep the two separate in your own mind. If you get into a lively debate (I'm sure they'll start soon with the cold weather) expect differing opinions and people telling you you're all wet. Sometimes you and I are all wet ;-) I know I've grown from reading differing opinions from this board.

Please keep the posts coming. You're appreciated.

sevenmmm
01-16-2003, 08:51 AM
My friend, you have earned your stripes....

Heres hoping you can survive the new frontier! As this is a place where all of your ideas will, immediately upon clicking the post message button, be challenged.

If you can defend your thinking with a logical defence, or adapt a better idea into your thinking, this can be a great experience!

Walleye Express
01-16-2003, 09:57 AM
Agu.
Thank you all for your support. I really didn't know if I was going to get a resonable response or invite yet another critisism. And to answer your question Agu, I thought I was indeed posting the thread on the General board. I cruse back and forth most of the time and get lost on which board I'm on sometimes. I went off line immediatley after I hit the post message button. Came back on later and had an e-mail from Joe, kindly explaining my mistake and the removal of the thread. I'm guessing by that time he had been bombarded by complaints. I did manage to read the first 2 replies on the post before Joe removed it. The (some of us have to work) statement seemed out of context and out of the blue. Seemed out of context, even if he was talking about Joe. It does give me greater appreciation for the guys who monitor this board though.

As far as ever thinking of working somewhere else. I thought about it only about 355 days a year. Even took a few courses in Conservation and law, thinking I'd like to become a Conservation Officer. Got married, had a kid and sealed my fate. Problem is, where else can you get the money and benefits while working for GM. But I regress.

I'll be the first to tell you I LOVE the Strictly fishing board. And do not want to see it trashed with just general discussion threads. I'm actually glad somebody, even a guest user complained and had it removed, I would have done the same thing. But the persoanl slams on one's character, history or life style, when its truly not known by the other person, is BS.