Wife

[Bones]

What do you do when you find out your wife is not who you think she is? I just found out my wife is in love with another man she met on the internet. My gut says to leave her but everytime I look at her I cannot do it. I probably should be posting on a Ann Landers sight but I wonder what you would do. We start counseling on monday but I dont know what good it will do.
Help!!!
bones

[Setter]

Bones go talk to a counselor like you said you were.They will listen to both sides of the story,I hope you don't have kids involved,it's a bad thing.Sorry to hear about it.Wish you the best of luck.There are some great fisherman on this site,but don't know about marriage counselors?Seek the right help.
Ryan Hale

[vetspet(ind)]

i have been married for 29 yrs but i'm no expert by a long shot...we never had a problem involving faithfullness, but had plenty of problems nontheless....as i look back over our marriage i am certainly glad that i stuck it out...of course i always thought i was right..some things never change...probably the fact that neither of us accept divorce as legitimate (besides for infidelity)...we always stuck it out...i used to think i just could not stay under the same roof and occasionally moved out...the last time this occurred to me i was convinced it was over...about a month before the divorce i was at my best friends' home at easter and just watched all his relatives get together and it hit me that this would never be part of my life if i went thru with the divorce...that was 10 yrs or so ago and i think it finally hit me just how important the family thing was ....if you have children, try and make it work...if you end up divorcing, no matter how you work it ...you will be out of the circle with the kids....it will never be quite the same...and it will be highly unlikely you will get the kids....if no kids are involved i believe it is somewhat different...once when we were separated and going to a counselor he had me fill out a form describing the perfect wife....after filling it out he showed me that the woman i sought was very similar to the woman i wanted so desperately to leave...i was surprised, but had learned a hard lesson...and that wasn't the last time we had separated...we have been together for the last ten yrs or so w/o any catasrophies...things are better....each thanksgiving we pass the wishbone and state what we are thankfull for during the last yr....each one of my daughters always state they are thankfull that mommy and daddy are still together....thats the pay-off for me....no, my marriage is still not what it should be nor what i want it to be, but we have an intact family and neither wants out...presently my wife has been diagnosed with an incurrable form of non-hodgkins lymphoma and she frequently tells me how glad she has me to lean on...i'm glad i stayed...for her sake and the kid's....sometimes things work out satisfactorily when it seems impossible...i'm probably too much of a jerk to ever make a woman really happy...i'm lucky she kept me...in your case, my advice is that she has not committed adultery physically yet....once that happens it still may not be impossible to save but it becomes much more difficult...i would consider removing the net from my home as it probably is a great temptation if one was into internet romances...go to a good counselor...get involved in church...it really helps...pray unceasingly..........remember, you have been unfaithfull in many ways yourself...so many things i could have done better...i would have done for my wife when courting her that i do not do now...give it a try..no matter what anyone else says...if there are kids...give it a try..steve heckler

[Eyez]

I actually have kind of a unique perspective on this particular subject. I can tell you that she needs help first, and then worry about your marriage. People who do things like that have issues they need to deal with, and those can lead someone to do something they'll regret. If she's really in love with him, then so be it, but there's a deeper cause that made her seek affection elsewhere. Marriage counseling is a start, and if your therapist thinks that she needs further help individually, I hope she takes it.

If you have kids involved, find a way to work it out. If not, make the decision that's easiest for you to live with.

And good luck.

Eyez

[ITRY]

sorry to hear about your wife vetspet. why do you say he will have little chance of getting the kids. i have been divorced for three years with custody of my kids. they were 6 and 18 months at the time. there is no reason just because you are male that you cannot get custody.

[REW]

One of the reasons that folks get into this situation; is that they are lonely.
There is always plenty of blame, and plenty of resons on both parties; involved when situations like this happen.

Try to get to consoling and get to working TOGETHER on the issue.

Nearly any relationship, that is worth any thing can be saved. No one ever said that marriage was easy, and that it happened by accident.

Take care
REW

[Been There]

Keep an open mind. It's a two way street. As people get older and have a focus like kids and work its easy to start to grow apart. You may not even realize that it happened. Do the counselling thing and work slow. This took a long time to start to happen and its going to take time. If there is nothing salvagable do what you have to do. Keep a close eye on finances and your assets. Prepare for the worst but hope for the best.

[water_wolf]

Consider yourself fortunate. I know many friends that have gone thru divorce mostly because "she" found someone knew and fell out of love with her husband. Not only did "she" get the kids in every situation....she also got half of "his" money, belongings and retirement. There is still the stigma that the woman gets all the breaks regardless the circumstances. But you won't hear that come up in a discussion about equality.
BTW one of those friends was my younger brother. And the jewel that she fell in love with physically abused her in front of the kids. He also mentally abused my nieces and nephews. All social services would do is call her and say "we will be by next Wednesday at 1:30 PM to check things out" what a joke of a system that is. I better stop now.

Rich Ferguson

[Scott]

Yes to go through with the counciling, BUT... THE COMPUTER BUDDY GOES BYE BYE! It has to be cut totally off immediately or the counciling is a waste of time. Relationships that end are totally cut of or else the rekindle again. Any good shrink will tell you it has to be abruptly ended with ALL strings attached.

And don't buy the keep the computer online business either. If that thing is left on, she will be back in touch. She already feels a need to communicate with this person, and she will feel she needs to let him down easy, or explain it, and that person will be counter productive to the whole process. She may even feel she needs to continue to talk to him to help her through it. DON'T buy it! Get that thing OFF line or password it and deny her access. She abused the privilage. She may even find another person on it.

At least keep it out of the house. If she is going to tramp around, make her find people face to face in the community. Allot less likely to happen, and less likely to be in your home. The computer offers 24/7 contact with her while in your home. Very bad situation.

Also, consider that she probably has a chat addiction. She may be lonely, or have self esteem troubles, but usually it is that some scum is telling her everything she wants to hear! And because she hears it in her mind "just the way it should sound", then she succombs to the seduction. In many cases, it has been found that some scum go online as females, befriend women and learn about them through this false friendship. Then come online as themselves a whalah! They have all sorts of things in common and know just what bothers her and what they need to say to make her feel better. She is sucked in like a Kirby sucks up dirt! And she never will know a thing.

In the mean time, she loses her family, most friends, her respect and her self esteem, as she tramps off with sleeze-man and eventually after a period of being used, he dumps her to the street like trash.

She will crawl back with every excuse in the book. But YOU will still be the guy that helped it all happen. If just you would have cared more ... blah blah blah. It is about committment plain and simple. If she doesn't get enough attention today, it is up to her to communicate it with you, not with an internet scum! Committment is the trouble! She now needs to committ again and dump the net! Sucks for you as you will be ofline too, but what is the marriage worth.

Or, you can leave it on with blind faith and get totally blindsided next time she does it. The chat is like alcohol with some, and she needs to get off the juice!

Also, a tool for tracking her online activity is called AppsTraka.

http://appstraka.hypermart.net/

It can be set-up for total stealth. It will show up in your progarm add and remove, but you can get a program to remove it from that list. It requires a password to access it as well. But, you can get screen shots, keyboard recording and windows accesses. Excellent tool to discover what is being said and really going on behind the scenes. I caught mine in the planning process right at the point of disclosing she loved a guy on the net. We got it resolved! She is off the net! But, had I not used that tool, I would have been hammered from behind with no clue. Fortunitly I was able to see that she was beginning to become distant, but I did catch a few slips in conversation that were "past tense"! That was all it took. Good Luck!

[Caution]

Be careful about doing that. It is the same as wire tapping and if you get caught YOU will be the one hung out to dry. Any attorney worth his salt will tell you that right off the bat.

[Jigging 5]

I can't tell you what to do. But I feel for you. Do me a favor and keep your chin up and your thoughts positive. I wish you the best.

[ETT]

Nice post. Never anything wrong with trying to be positive.

[eagle_a1]

It's easy for me to give out advice,because I'm not in your shoes, but I think it's good you're reaching out. Maybe you have to ask yourself this question.Am I better off with her or without her? We've had our problems when we were younger and my wife told me something that really made me stop and think. That was "if we want it to work, then we have to work at it". Good Luck to the both of you.

[Mark_AZ]

I had a wife cheat on me once. We were only married 10 months and had no kids... we were just out of high school. My choice was easier than yours.

I left her.

My advice for you: I recommend weighing the time and emotions you've invested into her against how you feel about her now. My current wife came from a broken home and her opinion is that staying together for the kids sake or monetary reasons is fruitless in the long run. I agree. Now is your turn to be selfish... DO WHAT YOU FEEL YOU NEED TO.

My current wife and I made a pact. If I catch her cheating I'm gonna shoot her. If she catches me then it's my a.. :) We both felt it would be easier than going through divorce.

The first time I was only married 10 mo's. But it took 2 years and $5000+ to get rid of her.

Also, If things turn south and you are a gun owner, get your firearms stored at a relatives or friends house. Even if you never touch them in anger. All your wife needs to say it that you are going to kill her and you are in a precarious spot. It happened to me and it took almost a year to get my guns back. The police will say they need to take them for "SAFEKEEPING". Getting them back is REAL HARD.

[Wizzer]

If you're going to track her you may as well pack it in right now. Relationships are built on trust.

[Jim Ordway]

. It is very easy for the interloper to be oh so sypathetic and understanding with your wife, when they have no history or investment in the relationship. Obviously, both your wife and the interloper have issues, that, hopefully, your counselor will draw out and help you two discover the path to restoring your relationship. If she is willing to work on your relationship, I am certain the marriage counseler will require her to stop talking/seeing the interloper. If she is ever willing to open up, do your best to listen to her side of the story with an open mind. The solutions may be simpler than you now imagine. What ever the result, you will have to gather yourself up and take stock. Remember, no one can make you happy, only you can do that. The only thing in life we can control is our attitude.
Best of fortune to you in your trying time,
Take care,

[Walleye Express]

Bones.
Been married for 24 years. Had a similar bump in the road at 13 years. When it happens, shock and disbelief are the only two things bigger than your heart ache. I'm guessing you haven't a clue as to why this would happen. You go to work every day, don't spend every wakeing hour with the boys drinking, come straight home, and in general are a good husband. You haven't a clue as to why your wife would want to be with another guy. Then the heart wrenching, "I don't love you anymore". When everything is said and done. When all the couselors in the world have taken your lives apart bit by bit and anylized every minutia, your left with this one remaining fact. If she don't love you anymore my friend its over. And staying together for any other reason is B.S. My suggestion is seperate for a while. Both of you will soon realize either way if it is indeed over.

[Youre in the same boat...]

There are many of us that can say that within a decade into marriage. How many people do you know of that have been divorced because their wife could no longer handle them hunting and fishing "all the time"? The sad fact is most women marry a man with the intent on changing him, molding him to HER ideal. Guys marry their wife expecting the same level of passion and love and that she will never change. All are wrong. The fact is that people do change ever so slightly, but a leopard never changes his spots. No what do you do, two kids and a house down the road, and you wife becomes about as affectionate as a mop? No more long conversations, no cuddling, no uh, no or infrequent hanky panky, mad at you akll the time and every decision you make is "wrong"? She gets mad at you for sitting in front of the computer while she sits in front of the tv. If you go in the other room with her and the kids, she then goes and sits by the computer, all the while crowing at you for ignoring your family. Well it never happens overnight. It has been happening for some time, it's just that now it hit's you like a brick. When you are dating there is a desperate grab for the middle ground on both parties. You look for common interests and do things each other like. Passion and sexually wise, well let's just say, there is usually no problem there. But the problem is you both have changed who you really are in order to attract the other. Over time though you slide back into being who you really are and she does the same. One day you wake up and realize this is not what you signed up for. You still obviously love her, and she loves you, at least in my case. I am going through the very scenario I outlined with my wife right now. I am married over a dozen years and have never felt so alone. I have tried everything I know how to do, and still, the iceburg that sank the titanic has more warmth. I have suggested we see someone and she flipped out that we don't need some kind of shrink prying into our lives. On top of all this I think my bride is the poster child for clinical depression, and you should have hear her when I suggested she talk to someone about that! I have not told her ths stuff out of the blue mind you, but whn we have been talking about things. She will always change the suject or divert the issue. I have told her I was willing to do what ever it took to feel close again, and that I would do whatever had to be done, short of givingh up who I am. I am at a loss. It has een sugested to me to go talk to someone myself, and perhaps once she sees I am doing so, she will follow. I am not so sure. It is a bleak road that lays out in front of me, but I am not giving up without a fight

[Bradnd]

Rich... wow!, that really hit home. I went through the same thing with my ex & kids. I was seriosly considering sueing the social services dept. It is a big joke. I won't go into it here, but I could tell you some horror stories about the system, along with out state child support system. Now my blood pressure is rising!!!


Take care,

Brad

[LRN]

I would go to conseling, but make sure he or she is a psychologist not just a conselor. Good Luck

[Jim S.]

Bones,

I have been seperated from my wife of 10 years and am in the final stages of the divorce. I hope what I have to say gives you some help making YOUR decision.

Divorce is not fun and it will cost you a lot more money than you imagine. However, you cannot put a price tag on happiness and peace of mind.

If children are involved, try everything you can to save your marriage. Do everything possible to shield them from all the negative effects (there are many) of the divorce process. Counseling for you and your wife is the right first step.

If you don't have children, the choice is a little easier, IMO. Remember, you did not cause your wife to fall in love with another man. I don't care who is involved or what the situation is, when we as couples take the vows before God, we accept an obligation to each other to work things out BEFORE either spouse goes out looking for someone else to love. In your case, she should have talked to you if she felt "unloved" or lonely or whatever, before she went looking for love on the Net.

That said, you also cannot make her stop loving this other person. If she claims she doesn't love you any more and that she now loves this other guy, then do you want to "force" her to stop communicating with this other guy? Will you still trust her? Forever? Are you willing to change your life from now on just to satisfy her needs? Is she willing to change her life from now on to satisfy your needs?

No doubt, the hardest thing in life is living and loving another person in a monogamous relationship. Every marriage/partnership has good and, IMO many more, bad, rocky times. NO such thing exists as June & Ward (Cleaver), Mike & Carol (Brady), etc. but it's more like Ozzie and Sharon (Osbourne)!

Life on Earth is short. You should be happy while here. If you love your wife and she loves you, do all you can to work it out. If your wife doesn't love you any more (hard to believe she doesn't, no matter how long/short the marriage) then YOU must decide what is best for YOU. If you have children under 18, then I recommend you both do everything possible to work on staying together, but only if you both are 100% on the same page.

I will end by saying that in my marriage, I am the one who initiated my divorce and moved out but I am much happier for it. My wife is extremely hurt, bitter and angry and is raking me over the coals. The sad thing is we have two young children and they will have to grow up with the effects of two adults' mistakes in life (meaning I married the wrong person). But, the court system has been gender-blind (so far) and somewhat fair (though my house is in foreclosure due to my wife) but it is still as was said, far from a perfect system from a man's point of view.

Best of luck to you in your decision.

Jim S.

[Tracker185]

I would Dump her. If she cheats once she will do it again. My new Girl and I always do things together, from Shopping to golfing and she even goes fishing with me and tells me I should go More. I can't stand someone that Cheats I would never do it why should you. How can you look in to her eyes and make love to her knowing that she was with someone else, maybe you can but I could not, I would Dump her!!!




Fish the Finest!!!!!! Fish Tracker




T185

[Democrat]

"i'm probably too much of a jerk to ever make a woman really happy...i'm lucky she kept me"

Hats off to ya, Steve, for admitting what's true of nearly all of us but hardly any of us are willing to own up to.

I've been married 25 years, left once over parenting disagreements, I had the kid during that time many years ago. We've never had a perfect marriage, never will, because neither of us will ever be a perfect person. We've worked out the issues to where we can live with each other. It's great if your marriage is a great big blast for as long as you live, but that's not reality for 98% of us, most of us spend most of our lives working and meeting responsibilities which isn't much fun most of the time and marriage turns out to be part of your support system for making it through life.

Love and fidelity was never a problem for us. If one partner falls out of love, you've got a real problem, and the relationship probably is up a creek. On the other hand, it's not unusual for married people to succumb to a temporary infatuation with an outside party, the only thing that proves is your spouse isn't brain-dead yet, and a lot of times that will take care of itself (we all know infatuation doesn't last) if the wronged spouse doesn't jump the gun on a divorce. Sure, there's usually other issues going on when this happens, and maybe there are some things the two of you need to sit down and work out.

But let me tell you what will happen if either of you starts second-guessing your original decision to marry. Those who succumb to the grass-is-greener syndrome almost always are in for a rude awakening later. Leaving one relationship for another does not make you a better person and does not improve your chances for success in the next relationship. You are going to be the same insufferable jerk you've always been and so will the other person, and the odds are very high that if you got tired of your first marriage, you'll get tired of this one too. And if you're leaving behind any kids, well, I've worked as an attorney for a state child support enforcement agency and I know what kind of life you're going to have after you throw away your family, and it's not what these delusional people dream it will be. And if you're the one who's tempted to wander, do you really want a homewrecker for your next partner? Not. If you're going to leave for another pasture at least try to find somebody who has a smidgeon of character.

Sorry about your wife, Vetspet. I found out Friday my mom has cancer, she's in her late eighties and they're not going to operate, that speaks for itself. One of the things that happens to you in middle age is attrition in your family and circle of friends. The emotional support we get from friends and even casual acquaintances helps us through these times. That's only one of the ten billion reasons why our disagreements over politics, boats, lure choices, etc. should be gentlemen's disagreements and never become personal disagreements. Again, best of luck Vetspet.

[YOUR IN THE SAME BOAT,,,,]

COPY THIS LETTER AND SHOW IT TO YOUR WIFE SOMETIMES SEEING IT AND READING HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT EACH OTHER HAS A DRAMATIC EFFECT. WRITING TO EACH OTHER ABOUT HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT EACH OTHER ON A STEADY BASIS CAN REALLY IMPROVE A RELATIONSHIP BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOMETHING TANGABLE TO HOLD AND READ,,,SHADOWALKER

[Mike]

Not wiretapping in your own home. It would lack merit and most states have adopted single party consent, which in most cases the party is the OWNER PAYING THE PHONE BILL. There is no judge out there that is going to even hear a case of "ma vs pa" over why a party is screwing around on the internet and the other eavsdropping. It would never make it in. Also, it does not matter as I highly doubt the violated party would want the laundry aired in court! LOL! Lawyers!

[Mike]

After the trust has been violated, it has to be rebuilt. That requires the offended party to ALWAYS watch over the shoulder. At least until the trust is rebuilt. It can happen, but not just because she says "ok I'm done with that now". That is BS any way you slice it. She already broke a promise. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice shame on you, Fool me a third time... duh!

Don't pack it in, but do not stop watching over your shoulder until you are satisfied all appears well again. Or, just shut off the net!

[Scott]

Itis funny how people talk about relationships of married couples differently than say, relationships between your children and the parents!

There are not too many parents out there that continue to take their childrens word for it when they have violated the trust. Those kiddies require constant surviellance and double checking. They may eventually earn your trust back, or they may not. That depends on them. Your wife is in no less of a situation. There is no reason to trust her at this point. It is whether or not she wishes to stay with you, and whether or not she earns the trust back. Talk is cheap. She needs to back it up with action. And that is what you are survielling for. Not to catch her, but to "NOT" catch her. Then the trust will be built back.

But, if you have no patience for this and she isn't worth worrying about and you dump her... Then it probably has something to do with the original reasons she was "out looking" anyway!

[Caution]

>Not wiretapping in your own home.


Yes, Mike, it IS wire tapping. And your attorney will tell you that. And, if you do it, you are going to get nailed if you try to use it in court. Read about it here --

http://www.scbar.org/SC_Lawyer/2000/2000_May-June/scl_articles_may-june_2000_article_4.pdf

[Guest]

Your spouse is not a child, and you can't treat her like your children. You're raising your kids. Your spouse is an adult. How you deal with trust issues is totally different ways. I can't believe there's anybody out there who doesn't understand this but apparently there is.

[Ditto]

Hey, stop living my life. That is almost 100% what my life is like.

Signed,
ME&aMillion other guys

[walleye1a]

Hey Bones,
Yep,I feel for you bigtime.About 2 yrs ago I posted
a similiar story about my lovely(ex)bride of 20yrs.
Turning towards this board was a big,big help.Some
people say this stuff does not belong here.Well,I
think it does and says alot about fisher folks helping
in general.Whatever reasons you have,it gave me someone
to talk to and get good advice.Alot of people here may
remember me and I thank them again because the decision
I made was I know now,the correct one.The ex attacked both
my daughter and me with a 16 inch kitchen knife when I found
out about her cheating.My black lab protected my girl and
after breaking up my house,she left.Almost 2-1/2yrs later,
the ex has made NO contact with my daughter or her own
mother for that matter.That in itself proves I made the right
decision.The courts listen to the father more than ever now.
I have my house,truck,van,boat,sole custady of my girl and
the ex pays me child support and ended up with next to nothing.
My girl(14) is very,very happy and on honor roll ever since
the ex left.Life could not be better.My point is:you cannot go
through life looking over your shoulder and wondering if she's
being honest.That is no way to live a marriage and will make
you old very fast.This board does give good advice and support.
I used it bigtime.Yeah,after 20yrs of marriage to her it hit
me real hard but,I know I made the right choice.They think the
grass is greener on the other side of the fence.Reality sets in
after the papers are signed and they realize that the money
train has stopped.When the boyfriend uses all your money up,
she'll be on the street.Keep your chin up.There are wonderful
women out there.I know,I found one and my daughter calls her mom.
No regrets from either my daughter or myself.The new mom is a nurse and loves to fish which makes getting hooks out of our fingers easier.
Take care,
Brian

[SnellTier]

Good for you, Brian!!! I am glad your story has a happy ending.

[Limiter]

I'm always happy to read a happy post. Good for you.

[Fish_on]

I can hardly believe I am going to give marital advice, but I guess I have made about every mistake there is. In a little over a year Cheri and I will be celebrating our 25th and we are going the distance; I'm proud of that. If there is one piece of advice I will give it is to remember that you can NEVER change another person, but you can change yourself. Don't try to change her, it will just cause her to resist more. Just try to do the best you can and change areas of your life that you can change, and you might be surprised how well she will respond. If she won't go to marital counseling, then go by yourself. It will prove that you care enough to make some sacrifices, which will mean a lot to her. When she sees you making changes to benefit the relationship, she will soon be right by your side in the counseling. I tell you this from experience. And even if the marriage does fail, you will have dealt with some of the problems, and not be taking them right into the next relationship.

Sorry for the soapbox, but like I said, I have screwed up enough to know how NOT to do it. It would have been real easy to bail, many, many times. But I thank God I did not. Here's hoping it works out for you.

[Walleye Wrangler]

I was married 18 years when I caught my wife with another man. We had two kids and I wanted to make it work. So I had a heart to heart talk with her, and told her that I realized that things wern't the same for us as it was in the beginning of our marriage, but I didn't think it had become this bad. I then told in no uncertain terms that I was willing to do whatever I could to make a go of the marriage but she could not see the guy ever agin.I then told I would never bring up the subject about this to her agin and that I would do all I could to forget about it.I also made a commitment to myself that I was going to be the kind of man she needed, and hoped that in return she would do the same. I figured that if she could see a change in me, and that I was trying, and she cared about trying to save the relationship she would do the same. It didn't happen over night, and I've got say that trying to make meaningful change is difficult, probably the hardest thing I had to do. But it proved that she was willing to change also and we both realized we had so much to lose, and the rewards were far greater to make it work. We have been married 29 years as of last October. If she is committed to making it work and so are you I say go for it you won't regret it

[GLO]

START COUNSELING, TALK WITH YOUR REAL FRIENDS WHO CAN LOOK YOU IN THE EYE, TALK TO YOUR WIFE. BUT PLEASE, FOR ALL THAT IS SANE, DON'T THINK SOLICITING OR ENCOURAGING POSTS ON THE INTERNET (UNLESS YOU ARE PLUGGED INTO SOME PROFESSIONAL COUNSELING WEBSITE) WILL GET YOU ANYWHERE. I'M GLAD THE POSTS ARE ENCOURAGING, BUT THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR THIS DISCUSSION, FOR YOUR OWN SAKE, FINDING OUT A BUNCH OF ANONYMOUS STRANGERS AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH YOU ON YOUR MARRIAGE IS NOT WORTH MUCH. ANYTIME YOU SPEND POSTING ON THIS SUBJECT OR READING THESE POSTS IS TIME YOU COULD SPEND PRODUCTIVELY ON THE PROBLEM IN SOME OTHER FASHION. I'M NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE GOOD CHARACTER OR MOTIVES OF ANYONE WHO RESPONDS, JUST THINK ABOUT IT.

[The Eyes_Have it]

I couldn't agree more with Walleye Express. When the love is gone it's over.

[The Eyes_Have it]

The idea of knowing that my wife had sex with another man is enough to drive me insane. I personally don't think......no let me change that, I KNOW I couldn't be with her again if she had sex with another man........ Talking on the internet with a man, yes I could get over that, but not Physical contact.