more PWC crap

[dutchman]

I just read in the local paper that PWC operators can now ski behind their PWC WITHOUT A DRIVER after incorperating some new remote control. Are these people totally insane!!! Are there no laws to stop this type of insanity?? I have no love loss for a PWC with a driver, lord only knows whats going to happen when one invades my space without a driver. Hmmm....Sam missles....

[jeff reed]

Not in michigan they can't.

[135 Guy]

Not in Wisconsin. They must have a spotter and a driver.

[Missles cost too much]

A nice big Michigan Apple fired out of a water balloon sling shot will do just fine.

[Hans]

Why the heck is everyone down on PWC's? I'd sooner have them on the lake, rather than bass boats. They're smaller, quieter, make less wake, and have far better manners.

Hans

--
"There is nothing; absolutely nothing; half so much worth doing,
as simply messing about in boats." :-)

[FJH1]

Hans, take a trip to northern Illinois, I think your glowing opinions of the PWC will be altered. Maybe the opperators in your area are mature, considerate and sober - you're lucky.

Best Regards,

FJH

[Larry]

Ahmen on that....I was over 4 miles out from the harbor at North Point and had some nut jumping my wake. As I got close to the harbor, I had two others do "U" turns right in front of me and one almost got hit by the boat behind me.

[GrbDnet]

Only women should be allowed to ride PWC! I like the thighs.

[Bruce]

Here in Colorado, I think they have to take an intelligence test, and if they pass it, they're not allowed to drive one! We lost 4 crankbaits (trolling) in about 4 hours, due to those inconsiderate %$#&&^$. Tried waving one away from the back of our boat, and he hollered, "You move your piece of ##### boat out of my way!"

[scottcny]

they just passed legislation here in New York that gives municipalities the right to limit or out right ban PWC's on water ways contained within there bounderys. sounds like a winner to me!

[Kurt_wi]

While I'm not an owner of a PWC, nor do I care to ride them, I have to say that they have rights to ride also. There are good riders and bad riders in the PWC world. Just like there are in fishing boats, cars and so on.

I'm not overjoyed with being buzzed when I'm fishing and find there are a lot of PWCers that do respect my fishing and stay a good distance away. I've had pleasure boats interrupt me also.

My take on it all is...they have a right, but have to be responsible. Enforcement of current rules seems to be needed. However, I've had a sheriffs deputy buzz me on a PWC in the last few weeks.

First we restrict PWC's, then it's bass boats, then walleye boats on lakes where residents don't want the waves, noise, etc. It will happen if it's allowed to.

Just my opinion on it all.
Kurt

[Andy]

Yes there are rude and stupid boat operaters of all kinds of boats. I do think the PWCs have the market cornered on the inconsiderate and stupid operation of a boat. I think that they should be tested to determine if their IQ is equal to their age. Tony Dean once said that a bounty on them was not a bad idea, some days I agree. We must remember that youth is wasted on the young.

[WAeyes]

I can tell this is gonna be one of those threads so hear goes. I definately disagree that the PWC has better manners than a bass boat. A bass boat may make a bigger wake and be louder at full speed but once he's gone by, it's over. Unlike the PWC who likes to ride around in the same area over and over and over and over......well, you get it. Also, the noise it makes every time it goes up and down from the water surface is enough to make my brain swell! These things test my patience and usally win. If one comes in my fishing zone I'm gone because he prabably ain't leaving.

[WAeyes]

I can tell this is gonna be one of those threads so hear goes. I definately disagree that the PWC has better manners than a bass boat. A bass boat may make a bigger wake and be louder at full speed but once he's gone by, it's over. Unlike the PWC who likes to ride around in the same area over and over and over and over......well, you get it. Also, the noise it makes every time it goes up and down from the water surface is enough to make my brain swell! These things test my patience and usally win. If one comes in my fishing zone I'm gone because he prabably ain't leaving.

[aar7]

While they are a pain they sometimes make one heck of a good mud line that will bring walleye in for a feed. Sometimes you have to learn to make the best out of a bad thing!

[Ness]

Now how much manners you have is determined by what type of boat you're driving??????? If
someone's driving a bassboat they must be ruder
than a guy driving a walleye boat? What's next?
Only a guy driving a Ranger is good enough to date your daughter??????

[wal-lies]

I was at a friends house on a med. size lake. My two small kids wanted me to take them out on my friends small sail boat. Since the wind was very light I figured, why not. It was about the time we reached the middle of the lake that I see the approching PWC. As this "person" came closer I started to wounder if the driver even saw me. As soon as the pwc came within about 3 feet I was real sure he didnt! I can still see the smile on his face as he made a sharp turn and blasted us with the jet of water comming from the back of his pwc! As my two youngins jumped on me to prtect them this nut kept comming at us and spraying us for a good 15 min. I was absolutly stuck! I have never wanted a motor so bad in my life. He got bored with use and rode off into the sunset. I should also mention that he had no reg. numbers on this thing. Once I returned to shore (a good thirty min latter) I went looking for him in a boat. Never did find him!

[Lund]

My daughter is restricted to dating Lund owners!

[Jeff_IN]

It has to depend on where you live. In my area, the bass boat is a bigger pain. I usually have an encounter each time out. I can't say that I've had too much trouble with the jet skiers. (Now I'm sure to be jinxed.)

[mbrandt]

I have capatilized on this myself. No fish all morning. The PWC and pleasure boats come out about 10 or 11. Bingo! Nice mudline along both shores. I hate the noise and the rockin, but that pattern has put fish in the boat when others haven't.

Mark

[magna19]

preserve wildlife,fillet a jet ski!!!!!!!

[Jeff]

I have
>never wanted a motor so
>bad in my life

That guys lucky, I'm not trying to sound tough and I'm not a hot head but if that was me and I had a gun with I would have shot the guy. Really

[Jeff]

Flood torpedo tubes one and two.......

JB

[Frank in Pa.]

Take some expired flares next time!!!

[Hans]

Go here for more info on dealing with them:

h t t p://www.west.net/~lpm/hobie/archives/v1-i2/humor.shtml


Hans

--
"There is nothing; absolutely nothing; half so much worth doing,
as simply messing about in boats." :-)

[AquaMan]

The purpose and function of these PWC's is what makes them so hated and loved. Think about it. The best ride is to find wakes and if there are none, make your own.

This poses two problems. They must get close to boats under power and they must continue to go in circles to make their own waves. It is sort of like a jack rabbit dodging cars on the highway... eventually, the rabbit looses regardless of the rabbits rights. Momentum, inertia and mass are elements against the PWC

Head to Lake Minnetonka if you want a real heart stopping run though the narrows with 25-30 PWC threading the needle between, in front and next to large boats under way. Most are kids doing what they have seen the adults or other kids doing without incedent.

I have to admit that I have ridden them and they are a blast. However, I am more opposed to the general ethics and lack of good education that exits among the large majority of PWC owners. Without proper controls and good education, the PWC will be a thing of the past in short order.

Remeber, that for years, people used to be against motorcycles on the highways and biways. In fact they were banned in many cities and towns across the US. Some good education and training helped to turn the tide of that movement. Now 10,000 well behaved Doctors and Lawyers are driving their HOGs to Stergis.

AquaMan~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[RANGER]

For the most part I HATE THEM! Actually, it's the a__hole riding it. I have ridden them and I have had a BLAST on them - BUT - I was courteous at all times. Too bad they don't have props!

What about skiboaters and showboaters trying to impress their girl/boy friends??

I was out 7 to 8 miles on Lake Erie last summer, slowly trolling along. Now, you have 6 zillion square miles of water around you! Why....why...did this kid decide to buzz us???? On his third pass, I lost it! I rummaged around for this old pole I have as a backup, spooled with Fireline. As I was tying on a 1 once weight, he buzzed us again!! I warned him off every time but these two girls and he were having quite a good time doing this. I wanted my deck mounted 50 caliber, but, it ws in the shop.

On the next pass I calmly threw the weight just in front of that threatening bow. Next thing, with the drag set to nothing, I watch the Fireline scream off the spool - all 125 yds of it!

He went screaming on by for about 1000 to 1200 yds. As he began his sixth turn this huge plume of steam rushed out of the water near the I/O and the boat went quiet. I can't imagine what had happen....heehee!

Didn't have the VHF in the boat(?). Had lines out. Went about MY business.

If you dare to ask me what happened next - I have no comment or recollection of that day, sir/mame.

RANGER

"KEEP YOUR LINES WET, YOUR POWDER DRY and THE BEER COLD"!

[Eyemadman]

Good one Ranger, I bet daddy was happy with that moron.

[RANGER]

For a complete rebuilding of the seals in a big I/O???? Probably....in the neighborhood of.... $1000, IF it had been MY kid, especially with fishing line wrapped around that hub, I might have to kill him!

RANGER

[Scott_in_kc]

When I first started riding "jet ski's" there were very few problems. A select few of us that learned how to ride the stand-up skis well and modified the engines & pumps for better bottom end, had a great time with few incedents. Some boats even trimmed it up and waved us on to get some big upside-down air off their wake (have to admit we could put on a pretty good show.) Since about 1990 the sit-down runabout style PWC have steadily gotten more powerful & extremely fast. You had to have some talent to get an old JS550 to do 50 and even more talent to ride it 50 without getting the atomic enima when you ulitimately dismounted. Now ANYONE with the money to buy one, regardless of having any boating experience, or any physical coordination, can get on one of these bone stock rides, sit their fat butt on it and go 60 right out the box. Same thing I have found with the quad's in off-road riding, Though it takes a little more thought than OFF or ON (like a PWC), most can be on their way tearing up the tundra, cutting new trails in restricted or private property and hauling their cooler of cheap beer & trash up the mountain. Now I have nothing against cheap beer, but before my eyes trails are closing right & left, with my 2 wheel motorcycle that does far less environmental damage than a horse, lumped in with the jeeps & quads. On a weekend at Lake of the Ozarks there are more bozo's in 25-45' boats running around with minimal or no boating experience causing far more hazardous & unpleasant conditions than all the PWC in the state combined, plus they can haul far more beer than any PWC. Every recreational situation has it's share idiots these days. Just take a look around you at a football game. You won't be able to buy a beer at all eventually, let alone getting cut off in the 3rd Qtr. I have seen video shot on some of your northern lakes (someone above mentioned the Narrows) and no question, the situation sucks for fishermen & party boaters alike when you get that many PWC crammed into a small area. Not sure what the answer is, just wanted to give some background (and trying hard not to call the kettle black.) I do know it doesn't look good for PWC. Seems to me like the states are taking in a ##### of a lot of inflated revenues from PWC that could be put to use in setting up more dedicated riding areas, more enforcement (for ALL idiots on the water),etc.

[Eyesore]

Ranger, 10 freaking 4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[legend]

PWC drivers have a need to have other people see and watch them. Ever notice this? As they go by they look to make sure you are watching. After all, the fun only lasts so long before boredom sets in. They want you to look at them and be envious of their machine and fun. If you look at them, they will want to show off and hang around.

My solution is to not even acknowlege the existence of these "lake lice". By not looking at them, they go away. Really, we have tested this time and time again and it works. Try it next time. Other tips for dealing with lake lice include:
-fish before 11 am as this is the time they come out on the water
-fish on cloudy days or in "bad weather" on lakes infested with the lake lice.

If any other machine made as much noise as lake lice, it would be banned. How the manufacturers get away with it, I don't know. Maybe that is the solution-let the companies know what we think of the awfull disturbance these things create.
Regards.

[Frank from TBay]

In Ontario starting this year all PWC operators must be certified operators that is, take a training course and you must be 16 to operate them. I think this will solve some of the problems with inexperienced operators, but you cannot legislate against stupidity. We have a cottage out on a large inland lake and last year I pulled a pair back, they had both run out of fuel. They are good kids but just didn't know any better. We do not have much of a problem with them where I am at but I have heard horror stories from good friends in Southern Ontario.I sympathize with some of the posters.
Good fishing: Frank

[mkebenn]

I have a question. I had a guy tell me that if a PWC rider was injured hitting my wake, I was responsable. Huh? I know and respect what my wake can do to shorelines, canoes, small sailboats, ect, and agree that if I swamped a canoe, it's on me. However, I don't remember the last time a shoreline cut across my wake on purpose. I would dismiss the idea, but then with our legal system(U.S.) you never know. Anybody got the info?
Mike in E.A.

[RANGER]

I can't believe that this could be true, HOWEVER, as you said - given our legal system -God knows. My suggestion?? If this occurs make sure he/she drowns!! Then there is no one to sue you.

RANGER

[WAeyes]

Legend, you hit the nail right on the head! I agree totally that the jet skiers and water skiers are looking to put on a show for someone. My problem is that I think by making eye contact with them they will get the message and give me a buffer zone from their obnoxiousness ( is that a word? ) boy am I all wet for expecting that! I think your technique of ignoring them may work as long as no one else is in the area giving them the OOOOS and AAAAAHS that they feed on. Good post

[Original Post]

Anybody read the original post lately? How did we get off the original topic here? Must be a general sense of dislike towards these water creatures! Can't imagine why? How about supporting a ban on all PWC's on any waters that contain walleye? I'm sure that would go over like a lead balloon! There's got to be priorities in life and one of mine is injuring PWC riders with fishing gear!

[Gumby]

RANGER FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!

[dutchman]

I have a suggestion... all PWC's have unlimited use of all sewage lagoons, they'll never bother fisherpersons there. Plenty of fun water for them....

[Whats wrong with the world]

And we wonder why the world is so screwed up. Just read some of our so called Smart people here on the board. Hey why not "Kill em all and let God sort it out"! Thats what this is sounding like.

[Thunderstick]

Superb suggestion!

[Backwater Eddy]

Years ago I seen a cartoon in a In-Fisherman that had a boat rigged with a 30 cal. on the front pedestal seat. The caption read something like...

"Boy one or two pass's around the lake sure clears the water skiers out!"

I think of that every time one of them PWC buzz me while I am anchored up! I wonder if that falls into the Right to bear arm's, and home defense?

"Backwater Eddy"

(:

[RANGER]

LAST EDITED ON Jul-17-00 AT 01:35PM (CST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jul-17-00 AT 12:48*PM (CST)

My statement was made rhetorically or, rather, tongue-in-cheek (kinda!).

However, speaking metaphorically, if that boater or a PWC rider was on shore taking swings at me like they do on the water, he/she would not be standing for very long - guaranteed! God may forgive that - I don't!!

You ask what's wrong with the world, from my perspective, those kids need a spanking - BUT - then they can sue their parents for ABUSE or ASSAULT!! Amazing!!

The joke (kinda) that says, "What does a thousand laywers at the bottom of the ocean represent?......A START"!! There is where the problem "with the world" IS!! No one takes ownership (read responsibility) for their own actions anymore - they SUE!! And the "Schnieders" (ambulance chasers) of the world sit back and laugh at all of us!

I think that if our laws read that ALL plantiffs PAY COURT COSTS, whether they win or NOT, this situation, and the "wrongs of the world" would practically evaporate!

RANGER

"KEEP YOUR LINES WET, YOUR POWDER DRY and THE BEER COLD"!

[RANGER]

LAST EDITED ON Jul-17-00 AT 01:37PM (CST)[p]Sorry, got carried away there.

RANGER

[EyeBoy]

Jeff! Don't say that, the anti gunners have enough ammo as it is. (so to speak)
FISH-ON!!!

[Erie Dog]

We do not need new laws to regulate PWC . Just enforce the ones we have.
Soon one of those nits will sue for discriminating, and all those laws you passed will bite you in the ***.

[johnb]

I'm fortunate (I guess) to live near the Fox Chain-o-Lakes in northern IL. and can say without question that there are a**holes on the water in and on every possible water vehicle from inner tubes to 40 foot Fountains, and that includes, unfortunately, fisher's of the bass, walleye, muskie, and every other persuasion. I've been on a drift and had my lines run over by PWC's and also fishing boats. ("Just wanted to see if you were catching anything."; they said.) It's not the craft it's the operator. BUT, I've got to agree there sure seem to be a higher percentage of dumb a##es on PWC's. Just my opinion. johnb

[wngdamr]

My wife,dog,and I anchored one day on the Miss. to eat lunch and give her a break(she only likes still fishing).We tossed a line in for catfish while we ate. A couple pulls about 50yards downstream from us with 2 PWCs and 2teenage boys in tow.We could barely hear the dad tell the boys not to bother us.Well you can guess how long that lasted.When the dad waved the boys back,we could hear dad real well. He made them get off the PWCs. I almost hollered down to tell dad that we weren't being bothered but reconsidered. A good dad is kind of nice to see.

[RANGER]

Not only a "good" dad but a RESPONSIBLE one, too!!

RANGER