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[NRA NEEDS SUPPORT]

THE NRA HAS ITS HANDS FULL WITH THIS CLINTON LIBERIAL I THINK ALL SPORTSPEOPLE NEED TO JOIN BECOUSE ONCE THEY GET THE GUNS WHO KNOWS WHATS NEXT THE NRA HAS ITS HANDS FULLFIGHTING FOR ALL RIGHTS NOT ONLY GUNS $35BUCKS TO JOIN NOT MUCH BUT times THAT BY ? COULD MEAN ALL LOT IN THE LONG RUN THINK ABOUTIT

[Clint]

I agree. I'm a member and have been for years. Even if I didn't own a gun, I'd be a member. The NRA is virtually the only organization fighting for our second amendment rights. Your congressmen certainly aren't. Do you think you'll be safer and have as much freedom when only the government and the criminals have the guns. (In alot of ways, there's no difference). Remember WACO, Ruby Ridge? As they say, "He who would give up his Freedom for Safety deserves neither"!

[Walleye Daddy]

I agree whole heartedly. As a wise man once told me "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" Sound like a safe society to anyone?

[JoeS]

Well, it ain't just the outlaws that have guns now,is it? It's the 6-yr olds who are dying for your "rights". Stop your whining, grow up, and send your $35 to those parents who have to bury their baby. Joe

[River_eye]

Actually, I would disagree, I live in Canada, where handguns are outlawed, and it is extremely safe. We can still hunt with rifles and such. Don't think it would be the end of the world if you guys down there didn't carry handguns.

River eye

[brw]

Why don't you post your message on NRA Central.With all due respect, I thought this was a board devoted to the exchange of ideas about fishing, particularly walleye fishing.The problem w/ you NRA guys is that you assume that we fellow outdoorsmen share your dogmatic rhetoric. Well I'm just as much an outdoorsman as you and support hunting rights but not that group, so let's get back to jigs and cranks rather than bullets and Clinton bashing.

[Scott]

Ah yes, the Oh Canada comment always comes into play when guns are an issue. The thing they leave out is the 15% sales tax ( prov. plus GST), the very high fuel tax, (they may even have a bathroom tax by now) the socialized medicine and how many doctors south of the ambassador bridge have a regular clientele of Canadians. I know it is a nice place, I have been there many times, but if you are all for the government being in most facets of your life....have at it. The old saying goes...it's a nice place to vist...but...it isn't all they say it is.

As for the NRA, I don't agree with everything they say, but it is about time someone stood up and pointed out the hypocracy in the arguements made by those currently in office. The hypocracy of non enforcement of a law shoved down our throats, the hypocracy of flying to every shooting for a photo op to enhance your claim for just one more gun bill. How many more laws do we need before we are safe? How many do you want? 21 were broken at Columbine. The Michigan incident involved a child stealing a previously stolen gun from a crack house. Now if you can't make the law stick at a crack house, who's it going to stick on ? The law abiding citizen that's who. When will we all wake up?

I know you don't want to be reminded what those extremists who laid out the plans for our country (except Goldwater) said, but I have the floor and here it goes. I guess we "NRA" types are in good company of similar thoughts.

"Those who would sacrifice liberty for freedom deserve neither." Thomas Jefferson

I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedoms of the people by gradual and silent encroachemnt of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. James Madison

Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserfve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined. Patrick Henry


Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice; moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.
Barry Goldwater

[Hans]

I'll send in my check for lifetime dues to NRA the very day that they publicly denounce their support of the sale of automatic weapons, and cooperate in the effort to register all short barreled handguns. The **** crooks have the police outgunned in most cities, and NRA continues to stand in opposition of logical background checks.

[johnwaleye]

AMEM. BRW

[CJW]

Wake up and smell the roses boys. The gun lobby wants all guns not just certain ones. Ask the fisherman in England if they expected there guns to go then fishing with it. I agree with some things such as gun locks etc. But don't blink ,your fishing pole could have a lock on it someday too. You say oh it will never happen here, theres just to many fishermen. Yea and their all sitting on the fence saying what they would do, but doing nothing. As for those in canada we lose our hunting and fishing rights, yours will follow.. As for the national news my dad always said its 50% propaganda and 50%use your imagination to make that story. Don't believe everything you here from them about the NRA. The NRA got 3 cities to do a case study on enforcing the laws already on the books. After one year the crime rate was down 62% just from enforcing them. Do you ever here about that on the news? No because the gun lobby is almost as strong as the NRA especially within the media. So keep sitting on the fence boys and believing everything they preach to ya. CJW

[Steve_IA]

Hans... nothing more I can add... I whole heartedly agree!! Steve (IA)

[Don..SD]

Life time member here. Those anti-gunners can go
get stuffed.

[Fish-on]

The thing that pisses me off the most about this whole gun control arguement is that the real problems are not adresses because of all the screaming from both sides about guns.

Two kids in Littleton Colorado sit unsupervised at all hours of the night watching vile pronographic slasher/horror movies, playing disgusting video games, listening to satanic music and being disrespectful to everyone around them. The they go to school and act out what they've been learning, and everyone screams, "We've got to do something about these guns!" HOW CAN WE BE SO STUPID?

Some guy trades a handgun for drugs and leaves it under his pillow. He probably doesn't even know how to use it. A six-year-old kid find it and takes it to school and shoots a girl and everyone screams, "We've got to do something about these guns!" STUPID.

We don't need to do anything about guns, we need to do something about crime, the drug culture and moral decay in our society. Somebody has got to stand up and say this music, these video games, these movies are NOT protected by Free Speech and should be removed from our society because of the terrible damage they do to the lives of the people who get caught up in them. The supreme court has already determined that pornography and violent material is not protected free speech. It's time we enforced it.

Remember that Washington DC has the strictest gun control laws in the country and the highest crime rate. Every time more gun laws are passed, the crime rate goes up. It only makes sense that if you take the guns out of the hands of the lawful, the lawless will have their way. I think every home in America should have a handgun kept in a safe place and people who know how to use it. Crimes against people would be virtually non-existent. I taught my kids how to respect and safely use guns from the time they were about ten years old, not just for hunting but for protection. I guarantee you if anyone would try to break into my house and hurt any one of us, they have a serious problem on their hands. If criminals were more worried about such things, there would be a lot less crime.

One more thing I would like to point out. The second ammendment had nothing to do with hunting or self protection. The second ammendment was put in place to guarantee our right to preserve our freedoms against the possibility of a tyranical government. Down through history, any time a government wanted to suppress the people, all it had to do was get the weapons out of their hands. Could this happen in the US? I used to think it was impossible, but considering the heinous crimes against freedom the Clinton administration has been able to get away with, it doesn't seem all that impossible anymore. Monica Lewinsky and all the deciet that went along with that is nothing compared to what he has done by selling out to Communist China. Unfortunately, the media chooses to ignore the serious damage that the Clinton administration has done to our freedoms. If we had a conservative president in the white house, they'd be tearing him to shreds if he did what Clinton has done. But that's another story.

I'm not giving up my guns, and I'll fight for your right to keep yours.

[Craig T (IA)]

I know this posting shouldn't be on Walleye central, but as a concerned gun owner I have to add my 2 cents.

Some of the extremist comments in this posting clearly explain why I cancelled my NRA membership several years ago and why many potential new members are reluctant to join. It is unfortunate that the #1 organization that is looking out for my gun ownership rights is full of people who believe everyone is mentally responsible enough to have assault rifles, hand grenades and a nuclear warhead in their garage.

In my view our society we has a dangerous combination. We are exposed to violence from ages 0 - 100 via cartoons, video games, movies & news media. Add to that our social practice of not requiring people to be responsible for their own actions. Add in few legalized assult weapons, automatic handguns etc. Also add in human nature to be competitive and a little greedy, And finally throw in some stress such as jobs, lovers quarells, drug/beer usage or whatever and OH Boy!

I believe people need to be held responsible for their own actions and that includes teaching our children to be responsible and protecting them from having access to guns laying around the house until they are rational adults. But, not holding people accountable for their own actions is too imbedded into our American society and the fact that legislators are finding it more logical to pass laws on guns instead of passing/enforcing laws on people misusing them just proves the point. Guns are not like tobacco. When tobacco is used as designed, it kills people. When guns are used as designed (in non military environments) they kill no-one. So, laws should be passed against tobacco and people who misuse guns.

Now how about them Walleyes?

[Redeye]

HAVE YOU EVER BEEN FISHING AND HAVE ANY ANTIS GO WADING IN THE CREEK RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU? i HAVE. hAVE YOU EVER HAD THE ANTIS IN THEIR SPEED BOATS BUZZ YOUR BOAT WHILE FISHING{TROLLING} AND YELL AT YOU FISH HAVE FEELINGS TOO.I HAVE. DONT THINK FOR ONE MINUTE THAT THESE PEOPLE WILL REST AT GETTING RID OF THE GUNS.WE FISHERMEN ARE NEXT. AND YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK. ALL OUTDOORSMEN SHOULD UNIT.IF WE WANT ANY FREEDOMS LEFT AT ALL. JOIN THE NRA.

[Lund_Dude]

>I'll send in my check for
>lifetime dues to NRA the
>very day that they publicly
>denounce their support of the
>sale of automatic weapons,

Automatic weapons have been outlawed since the 1920's. The NRA does support enforcement of this law as well as all other firearms laws. It appears to me as if the White House and the Justice Dept don't share the NRA's enthusiasm for enforcement.

> and
>cooperate in the effort to
>register all short barreled handguns.

Hitler registered all firearms...right before he confiscated them. If you have no 2nd Ammendmen rights, it is impossible to defend the remainder of your constitutional rights.

> The **** crooks have
>the police outgunned in most
>cities,

And the "crooks" will abide by all the new laws even though they thumb their nose at the existing laws?

>and NRA continues to
>stand in opposition of logical
>background checks.

Simply incorrect. The NRA believes that background checks should be instant as opposed to a 7 day period. Which is more logical to you?

[Eye-Finder]

NRA top gun Wayne LaPierre this week accused President Clinton of culpability in another murder. This time the amazing Mr. LaPierre says the President is responsible for the murder of a Fulton County, Georgia sheriff's deputy. No word yet on when Mr. LaPierre will link President Clinton to the Lindbergh kidnapping.


If you think this is sheer madness on the part of the NRA, you're in the majority. But some analysts see a method here. The NRA has been in trouble of late. They lost on the Brady Bill, assault weapon ban and other gun control issues --and crime has gone down as a result. There have been reports that the gun lobby is in financial trouble as well. So what's the surest way to distract its current membership and bring in more money? Certainly not by agreeing to reasonable and principled compromise, as Smith & Wesson has. No, you can boost membership by appealing to the far-out fringe. Responsible, moderate gun owners (like me) are already repulsed by the NRA -- we have been since Mr. LaPierre sent out a mass-mailing that called federal law enforcement agents
"jack-booted government thugs." So with the moderate center already alienated, why not go after the kooks?

I can just see the meeting: one guy says, "I've got it! We'll accuse Clinton of murder!" Another NRA bigwig says, "Oh, come on. Who's gonna believe that?" The first guy says, "I've got two words for you: Black Helicopters." And off the deep end we go!

Of course, it's the GOP that's going to pay the price for Mr. LaPierre's loopy rhetoric. He's succeeded in making the President and VP look strong and brave and wise by standing up to the NRA, and he's making every Congressional Republican (not to mention George W. Bush) choose between looking liberal and disloyal if they take him on, or feckless and cowardly if they don't. So, thanks, Wayne. When ##### Gephardt is sworn in as Speaker, you'll be one of the major reasons why.

Buncha loopy idiots -- why should I send them more money??

[Eyemadman]

Fish ON is right and every sportsman should be concerned now its guns next its fishing. Im a lifetime member and have 10 more sportsman who have just joined. WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!

[Ed]

If you think your going to be a moderate gun owner for long with thoughts like that, your wrong. I am a law enforcement officer and a NRA member. I don't know too many cops that are not. Plain and simple we need the NRA. Are you fighting to keep your gun rights?? Didn't think so. Guns will not be the last freedom we lose if they go. Do you think the lunatics will just go home happy if they win?? Not likely. They will find another cause. They don't necessarily believe in the cause they are fighting for, the fact that it is a cause, is usually enough for them. And most of the time, they are very uneducated about the subject they are supporting, or at least only educated about 1/2 the facts. How many of these supposed die hard anti-gunners will be sceaming to get guns back once they are no longer safe in their own homes because criminals will know they won't be shot when burglerizing a home, snatching a purse, or mugging thier mothers in an alley?? We need to fight to keep all guns. Not saying we don't need background checks, and other safety measures. We most certainly do. However, as someone wrote earlier. Let's get to the root of the problem. Raising children again. We shouldn't be punished for disciplining our children when they misbehave. We shouldn't be afraid that if we spank a child, that the school counselor will call the police and we will go to jail. I am not advocating child abuse for those with that argument on their tongue. A responsible parent knows the difference between the two. I could point out many more problems with society that has nothing to do with guns, but hopefully you see the point. Anyway. Anybody know water temp below the Dubay dam?? It was 33 last week six feet down.

[CJW]

Its ok with me if you don't like the NRA. What I'm saying is that there are other groups out there that are fighting for the right to keep hunting and fishing open. Get off the fence and support one. Stop letting 3% of the people out there pay for you to keep your rights. If you think it might not happen then look at the mentallity of peta with there "got beer" commercials. Talk about a bunch of "loopy idiots". I think all of the farms out there should shut the food supply off for a year and lets see what happens then. Oh you don't eat meat. Where you think those veggies come from ? The north pole. CJW

[River_eye]

That's not realistic at all. Look at it this way, fishing rod or gun, which one was designed to kill?

River eye

[River_eye]

What about us fishermen and hunters that disagree with handgun ownership?

River eye

[twogun]

It's the guns fault. A gun is a tool like a fishing pole is a tool. It is only as good or as bad as the person who uses it. People use rods for snaging fish, keeping over limits, killing big females etc. Should we out law them? Your geting of subject...MY RIGHT TO BARE ARMES: the NRA is my voice, i don't see any body else standing up for us. They have my support as the family tree before and after me has, and will enjoy. You MODERATE RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERS THAT DON'T SUPPORT NRA will be no more!! If some one comes in your house to hurt your wife or kids, what are you going to do, shake his hand and give him a kiss? or do you want to have the right to protect your family? If you don't want to stand up for your right to bare arms move to canada because this is AMERICA HOME of the FREE..and the BRAVE.

[River_eye]

You are bringing things into this argument that just don't apply! No american will realize or admit that a better quality of life can be had somwhere else in the world other than the U.S. There is no problem with patriotism, but believing that your way of life is superior to everyone elses is called ethnocentrism and is a form of ignorance.

I'm just saying that there are places where people don't have handguns in their car, in their night table or even in their school locker. It's not as bad of an idea as you might think. It's not a question of rights, it's a question of common sense.

River eye

[Neal/Co]

I agree with Hans 100%. Here in Colorado we just turned down a measure that would require background checks at gun shows. Some of the weapons used here in the Columbine murders were purchased at a gunshow. For this bill not to pass here in Colorado is obsene and speaks volumes about the NRA.

[Fin Addict]

The issue is not about a right to bear arms for hunting. It is a right to bear arms to protect ourselves against the potentiality of a tyranical government getting into power. If we take away guns we become More vulnerable to such a possibility. If we register all the guns, they know just who to get. This may sound far fetched but I bet the jews in Germany never imagined what Hitler had in mind for them after all they were, to a large extent, in power at the time. Freedom has risks. If we want to preserve our freedom, we have to provide due process for criminals (not simply execute them like in the middle east), deal w/ more kooks on the streets spouting off (because they can), some people who are very poor (because we have the freedom to fail as well as succeed, we could all be the same but that has already been shown to be a failure). I am willing to accept a few nuts to protect my freedom. As for 6 year olds killing kids at school, prosecute the hapless parents. I have 4 kids who all know that a gun is a tool and a dangerous one at that. They do not play with toy guns etc because it is not a joke to them, it is real. My sister is an anti-gun zealot and guess what, her son plays w/ toy guns all the time pretending to shoot everyone and everything in sight. Hunting is a privilege but having guns is a right and was made a right for a reason. Hey, lets have posts about religion or abortion next. We could really stir things up! LOL

[Nate W.]

Hans,

With all due respect, you've bought into what the media and Mr. Clinton is trying to get you to swallow: The NRA has always been in favor of background checks, The National Instant Check System was loudly supported by the NRA long before it was signed into law. Another thing the media won't tell you about is Project Exile, and NRA-funded program that gets very tough with criminals who committ crimes with guns. It's been so successful in Virginia that it's being adapted in other states and has support from both political parties. It's even supported strongly by the Anti-Gun Queen, Barbra Boxer. I'm an NRA member and they have my full support. Check Heston, "Give 'em ****!"

[dmktgman2]

The NRA is certainly out to lunch. All this stuff in the news reminds of their not so long ago fight to allow the public to have teflon (cop killer) bullets.

I own a few guns and am a strong proponent of hunting, But I think the NRA is way off base compared to the majority of Americans. Most feel that trigger locks are not an infringement of our rights . . . that assault weapons really don't need to be available to just anyone. And to accuse Clinton of complicity in kids killing kids further reduces the public's respect for the NRA.

How is it that the NRA just doesn't get it? Too bad George Bush can't resign his membership one more time.

[twogun]

your fishing pole kills.. you take any fish home? PETA would like us to ban live bait,use only barbless hooks, and a hole list of things like that as long as the mississippi. We most stand up for our rights. The NRA is the only voice owners have we must suport them.

[Nofish]

Remember,

The anti's are NOT REALISTIC. Fishing rod-gun-army tank, it's all the same to them.

Eating meat, wearing animal products (leather, fur, etc.), using things derived from animal products, fishing, hunting, it's all the same to them.

I am not saying anything one way or the other about the NRA and The Current Administration. However, the anti's think all animal use is torture and cruel, all fishing and hunting is barbaric, especially catch and release fishing. Anti's think all animals should have rights equal to humans.

One of the top anti's was quoted as saying, "A rat is a pig, is a dog, is a boy." Meaning that a rat should have the same rights as you. Some factions of the anti groups belive that if innocent people die as a result of burning down mink farms, dairy council offices (oh yes, milking cows is barbaric, remember the idiotic beer is better than milk argument of late)and such, are acceptable losses of human life.

The anti's protest Oscar Meyer weiner mobile appearances, kids fishing days and threaten, harras and scare our children while walking home from school.

So, I say as you think there s a differentiation between a fishing rod and a gun, sit down and e mail your elected officials and tell them you hunt, fish and VOTE. And then do so.

There are enough licensed anglers and hunters in this country that no oppostion in congress would pass if we all showed up and voted.

Anti's try and legislate what common sense and the general public rejects.

Sorry for the long winded post

Fight for our rights as outdoorsmen and women....R

[twogun]

I can tell you know nothing about teflon bullets other than they kill cops how narrow minded can you be? And i can tell your heart is not into hunting. I do not own a assalt weapon, but if some one wants one, that's their right. Sure there are pepole that shouln't own em there are a few fisherman that should not own a fishing rod. Are you going to let your man clinton tell us we can have one or not... good luck with that.

[twogun]

YOU SAID IT!! ..ED

[Fish-on]

Check this out:

Subject: Australia's Gun Laws

I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down
under. Perhaps we may learn from the mistakes of others. It has now
been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced to surrender 640,381
personal firearms to be destroyed, a program costing the government more
than $500 million dollars. And now the results are in:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent;
Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent;
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent).
In the state of Victoria, homicides with firearms are up 300 percent!

Is this what we want?

[River_eye]

No, actually I don't use my fishing pole to kill, if I ever want to kill a fish it's with a fish bonker, after i catch a fish I can always throw it back. But I'm not talking animals here, I don't like hunting, but I'm not against hunters.

It's the handgun owners that think that they need them to protect themselves.

River eye

[River_eye]

I'm not against hunters, or using guns to hunt. I'm just in disagreement with peoples rights to own guns not used for sporting purposes.

River eye

[twogun]

YEA Ed i would like to respond to Nofish.(sounds like he don't fish ethier with a name like nofish) I've never been in a tank,killed lot of game big and small eat lots of meat,and never compare my fishing rod to a gun, other than they are tools.I think every gun should have a lock. I don't have an assalt weapon, other than my fishingrod

[ufda]

This is the kind of post that keeps me from joining the NRA. Its all or nothing with them. They are just like PETA in reverse. What the **** happened to moderation? I know, I know. If you give up your teflon bullets the next thing will be they will take away will be our 22s. Yeah right.I am suprised they are willing to live with speed limits and having hunting and fishing licenses instead of shouting "fishing is a right!" and "next they will take away our cars and boats." And by the way, what more do I need to know about teflon bullets other than they have no practical use except to kill cops? How can that be narrow minded? Also, the type of weapon is spelled assault not asalt. Yes, I hunt and fish. I own guns. But, I also believe the NRA has created more enemies than friends among people who wear shoes.
ufda

[Mr S]

River eye, don't you see that this is exactly what they want us to do (complete c&r) then fishing is just harasing and torturing the fish and should be outlawed.

I suggest you go to their site and read some of the crap that is there. Don't worry about giving them a hit on their site just educate yourself!

http://www.nofishing.net

Mr S
My $35 is in the mail!

[twogun]

Not only dont you hunt you must not fish ethier with a name like Nofish. I've never been in the service or in a tank. I've shot lots of big and small game so i eat lots of meat. I think all guns should have a lock or be locked. Dont own an assalt weapon. If it's NRA or PETA jerks we have to stand up for your right to bare armes and protect.

[twogun]

Well I guess you'll only fish because your gun will be gone. What a wimp,and extremest.what does speed limits have to do with gun controll? Thanks for the spelling,you a spelling teacher? thats all right I will sopport NRA so you can have a gun. (22)

[steve]

Does the author of the next few lines ring a bell??? "This year will go down in history. For the first time,a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer,our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" Adolph Hitler, 1935

[curt quesnell]

good topic...nice discussion so far....

personally, i dont care for handguns.
i think we would all be better off with out them.

but but but.......we are guarenteed the right to
have them.....

i also think that the crooks love em and would
have them legally or not.

enforce the laws we already have...make it life
threatening to use a gun in the commission of
a crime.

the nra has a couple of real good arguments going
for em..

the anti gun people have only emotional pleas that
they wave about terrible things that would continue to happen if all guns were outlawed. there will still be handguns even if they are outlawed completely.

i wish this could be solved quickly, to everyones
satisfaction and with a positive result.


but lets all try to keep our eye on the prize here
...and the prize should be less people killing other people with guns.....

curt quesnell

[twogun]

Us gun outdoors men and women thank you, from NRA lifetime member.

[Nate W.]

Geez, twogun..."Cop Killer" bulletts? Are you trying to tell me there's such a thing as "cop safe" bulletts? I can't believe how people just swallow up a term spoon-fed to them by an ignorant media. Every bullett has the potential to kill, teflon coated or not. And by the way, would somebody please explain to me the difference between an "assault rife' and a hunting semi-auto rifle, and please give me something more substantive than, "Assault rifles just look bad."

[twogun]

I agree we should without a doubt throw the key away on crimes that are commited with a gun, no if and or butts. They wreck it for the rest of us.

[Mort]

its is against the law to use or have drugs, does the law work? It seems that those who want drugs find away to get drugs.. Would guns laws really stop those who really want to have guns. Honest people YES. When the anti's win a battle they just want more, then more.. I think that the NRA just doesn't want to give up an inch because they know the anti's will never stop.

[Nate W.]

Sorry twogun, above was directed at ufda...I think you know the truth about teflon bullets!

[mjwchart]

I'm not an NRA member, yet. But the thing that really gets me is the people that are behind this. Its the attorneys!!!

1. Look at the billions of dollars they are suing the tobacco companies for. Who gets hurt? THe share holders (my MO stock was cut in half), 401K money, workers and the smokers. At one point in time MO was held in more 401ks than anyother stock. Think of the billions lost in retirement savings. And who wins attorneys! In several states after the filings the attorneys would get more than the victims or goverment.

2. Look at the billions the attorneys will sue the gun manufactueres for. Who gets hurt? People buying guns and the workers. Who wins the attorneys.

3. Next Lead Paint? It is already in place for cities to sue the paint companies on a product which was banned years ago. Who wins attorneys!

4. Next Alcohol?.


It will be interesting, when and if, the lawyers and goverments get all this money who it will be wasted away. The only people tht will win on this are the attorneys.

It is interesting how people that cannot use common sense when using a product sue the manufacturer!??

If I drive my vette 150mph and hit a school bus, why is GM at fault??

The lawyers and goverment have made us all
victims and are in the process of legislating away all common sense.

I will probably be sued for writing this and have to hire an attorney. LOL


NOW ITS TIME TO FISH !!

[Mrrugs]

Since there is so little objectivity left in the national press these days, and since the "intellectuals" in the entertainment business all seem to have their own liberal biases, it is vital that all voices be heard in order to maintain a balance and override emotional opinion. If that means that guys like me who have no interest in hunting or gun ownership support the voice of folks like those in the NRA, then so be it. Let them speak and create an intelligent debate. Unfortunately, when logic exposes the flaws of their argument, the liberals play on the emotions of citizens and sway opinion in their favor. In a free society rights MUST not be surrended easily, regardless of the intent. "What's best" may be good in the immediate future but fatal in terms of historical perspective. To all who support the NRA I say: Stick to your guns.

[Neal/CO]

I to am a strong proponent of teflon bullets. Just last fall I was elk hunting and saw a incredible six point bull. I had to pass on the shot though, because he was wearing body armor.

[chrism]

Curt Quesnell said it best.
However, I must add my 2 cents..
Being an avid shooter and fanatic hunter, and a Canadian, this topic is very close to me. It boggles my mind to see all of the comments thrown out here - some are legit while others are ignorant -

First, it is not the guns -they are simply tools such as a knife, an arrow or a spear. I think all of the mass murderers that we know didn't use a gun for their crimes.....

2nd - The people running the legal system in the USA and to some extent Canada is f****d. The system is sound if run properly, but too much of it depends on how good of a lawyer you can afford and/or "technicalities". To allow criminals to get off so easy is a crime in itself. Crime is crime whether you are a truck driver, a nurse, a policeman, an FBI agent, a pimp, or a recluse...or an elected gov't official. If you make crime, you should be punished equally as set forth by our system. I do believe that the system must be more harsh on those that make crime - criminals have rights? No way man - you break the rules you pay. The criminal should be punished and punished hard.

3rd - Gun owners should be screened - for everyone's safety. We don't want crazies to run around with weapons - these people are unpredictable at the best of times and the fact that you have a gun under your pillow means squat to them. If you play chicken with them you'll lose!

4th - As for the self defense issue - there are a lot of ways to disable someone besides shooting them. If you are scared, then learn some of these ways.

5th - Handguns....well, I like to shoot handguns...but, they are too easy for criminals to use and to conceal. They must be controlled in a way that best suits everyone, not banned, just controlled. I don't know what the best way is, but something has to be done. Just look at the handgun homicides for the USA. Compare it to Canada. Does this not sink in or what?????? FACTS dictate there is less handgun related crime per capita in Canada than the USA...I believe in the neighborhood of 18-20 TIMES less. It has nothing to do with the "right to bear arms" but with common sense.

I live in a city of over 600,000 and there were only a couple of handgun homicides last year, and this city has a "high" crime rate!!!!!!!!!

That is all. I'm not a member of any "groups" either for or against guns/fishing/hunting/animal rights, etc,, and before I get accused of such, fact be known that I have killed more aminals with my guns than most of you have killed mosquitoes.
I am only a human being that thinks our world has too much crime, and too much senseless killing of one another. It isn't the guns, it is the system that allows this to go on. And as an outsider looking in at your NRA issues, I think that the NRA is a good thing, but to me it doesn't see the Human side in all of this - I mean the homicides and such - simply put, arming America isn't going to stop the crime nor is banning guns But there is a happy medium. Maybe they should try a different approach, I don't know what, but something has to be done. You are a democratic society - Vote on it amongst yourselves(the responsible gun owners). Just be sure to have all of the facts in front of you so that you make the right decision.

Good luck and always be aware of where your bullet will land...

[Nofish]

Hey guys,

You're missing my point. First off, I fish, a lot. Nofish is a nickname. Second, I hunt, a lot. I'd personally rather eat venison than beef anyday.

I made no mention of what I think about gun posesion, the NRA or the US Govt.

But your missing my point. The comment was made that the anti's would make a distinction between a rod and a gun. I said they won't. The anti's want to end all animal use. No matter what. Right now they are working on hunters for the most part, but they have already started in on anglers too.

That was all I was saying.

Good luck......R

[chrism]

Curt Quesnell said it best.
However, I must add my 2 cents..
Being an avid shooter and fanatic hunter, and a Canadian, this topic is very close to me. It boggles my mind to see all of the comments thrown out here - some are legit while others are ignorant -

First, it is not the guns -they are simply tools such as a knife, an arrow or a spear. I think all of the mass murderers that we know didn't use a gun for their crimes.....

2nd - The people running the legal system in the USA and to some extent Canada is f****d. The system is sound if run properly, but too much of it depends on how good of a lawyer you can afford and/or "technicalities". To allow criminals to get off so easy is a crime in itself. Crime is crime whether you are a truck driver, a nurse, a policeman, an FBI agent, a pimp, or a recluse...or an elected gov't official. If you make crime, you should be punished equally as set forth by our system. I do believe that the system must be more harsh on those that make crime - criminals have rights? No way man - you break the rules you pay. The criminal should be punished and punished hard.

3rd - Gun owners should be screened - for everyone's safety. We don't want crazies to run around with weapons - these people are unpredictable at the best of times and the fact that you have a gun under your pillow means squat to them. If you play chicken with them you'll lose!

4th - As for the self defense issue - there are a lot of ways to disable someone besides shooting them. If you are scared, then learn some of these ways.

5th - Handguns....well, I like to shoot handguns...but, they are too easy for criminals to use and to conceal. They must be controlled in a way that best suits everyone, not banned, just controlled. I don't know what the best way is, but something has to be done. Just look at the handgun homicides for the USA. Compare it to Canada. Does this not sink in or what?????? FACTS dictate there is less handgun related crime per capita in Canada than the USA...I believe in the neighborhood of 18-20 TIMES less. It has nothing to do with the "right to bear arms" but with common sense.

I live in a city of over 600,000 and there were only a couple of handgun homicides last year, and this city has a "high" crime rate!!!!!!!!!

That is all. I'm not a member of any "groups" either for or against guns/fishing/hunting/animal rights, etc,, and before I get accused of such, fact be known that I have killed more aminals with my guns than most of you have killed mosquitoes.
I am only a human being that thinks our world has too much crime, and too much senseless killing of one another. It isn't the guns, it is the system that allows this to go on. And as an outsider looking in at your NRA issues, I think that the NRA is a good thing, but to me it doesn't see the Human side in all of this - I mean the homicides and such - simply put, arming America isn't going to stop the crime nor is banning guns But there is a happy medium. Maybe they should try a different approach, I don't know what, but something has to be done. You are a democratic society - Vote on it amongst yourselves(the responsible gun owners). Just be sure to have all of the facts in front of you so that you make the right decision.

Good luck and always be aware of where your bullet will land...

[Nofish]

Two gun,

I think my point was mis understood.
I fish
I hunt
Nofish is just a nickname given to me by a very dear friend.

Good Luck......R

[SUPERTROLLER]

The ignorance I see here is your beleif that most of us have a handgun in our car, night table, or school lockers. Two of the three places listed are illegal and the third defies common sense in any home with children. Just because you see it on television news doesn't mean we're all law breaking, gun-toting, sociopathes. These are very isolated incidents that are now getting much more national news coverage than ever before. Violent crimes involving guns is lower now than in the past. You don't see that reported because it's not a sensational thing for them to lead off a telecast with!!! More people are killed every year snowmobiling than hunting. Why don't we ban snowmobiles? Because it's a stupid idea. They want to ban guns because they're ignorant of the actual facts. If they would enforce the laws we already have most of these lunatics would still be in jail for all the other crimes against society they have accumulated. Pleading to a lesser charge allows them back on the streets before the police are done with the paperwork. Makes me want to puke.

[twogun]

Canadian i'm glad i don't live in Vancouver where prostitution is legal and police turn their heads on drugs. They have smoking shops there. How many big cities in canada? not many. you lost most of your gun rights no handguns right? I hunt moose and bear up there thank God i can still do that.

[FUZZ-E-GRUB]

I hope the NRA gets as much support as this original post! I am a gun owner and a NRA member. All gun owners and sportsmen should support a group that defends our right to hunt and fish, and the NRA needs our support.

[Scott]

Anyone who says that the NRA supports the sale of automatic weapons obviously is not informed enough to argue the point. Automatic weapons have been illegal to own for years. The NRA has done a lot to help provide expertise in marksmanship for all levels of law enforcement. You obviously would rather believe what you are fed by the newspapers, magazines and tv.

[Scott]

Craig, answer me one question....How many more laws until you feel safe? What law will have to be PASSED until you feel secure? Good Lord, everything that has led to the killings broke many laws, including existing gun laws. So again I ask...how much more do you want passed? When is there enough?

[Scott]

The fact of the matter remains...you all are upset about one part of a comment that Wayne made. What you forget, conveinently, is that he predicated that comment with the facts: Existing gun laws, including Brady are not being properly enforced. The pundits, the White House spokespeople, and the one directly challenged to disprove the statistical and factual claims by Wayne...Cokie Roberts........NONE have disproven the facts cited by LaPierre. All of this other emotion injected..."I hate the NRA" etc....pull your heads out of the sand and realize that the facts speak for themselves...This administration refuses to enforce current laws and the Attorney General Reno has openly admitted that enforcement is not the key...MORE LAWS ARE. Tell me....How is demanding that current laws be enforced EXTREME? If the fish and game took the same attitude toward their enforcement practices....InFish/BASS et al would be *****ing like madmen...as they should. Tell me...what is the difference? This is the human side of it.

[Sam]

We must support the NRA and that's pretty simple.
They are fighting for our rights. Banning guns is absolutley ridiculous. A gun has never killed anyone or caused any harm. It takes a person to fire that gun. Instaed of Clinton getting down to the real issues at hand, he blames guns, it is totally absurd. Let's face the real issues here, and that is people. The moral breakdown of this country is to blame and that has nothing to do with guns. What's next, knives, and then when knives are banned, someone will stab someone with a fork. The we ban forks. The point is that people are to blame here. Lets try enforcing the existing laws for once and also training our children.

[FYI]

After reading this thread, I now know for sure I will never become an NRA member. twogun made it very clear why.

[John N]

Well, this has made for some interesting reading. Some moronic and/or paranoid knee-jerk posts, some well thought out reasonable posts, and some with a little of both. I remember thinking highly of the NRA as a kid, but some of their voices have become a bit extreme for me in recent years. I have this thought-anyone who thinks the 2nd Amendment is an absolute seems way off base to me. Don't think it means we can have a nuclear weapon or biological warfare weaponry in the garage, or does it? Ah, forget it. This is a fishing website. I don't think I'd better get into this. They can have my Loomis when they pry my cold, dead hands off of it. Let's go fishing. John.

[jjjensen]

NRA runs into trouble because they refuse to compromise on any issue and will not "make a deal" with anyone. Smith & Wesson is taking a pro-active approach in dealing with locks on guns. That's a good thing.

Let me ask you NRA guys this:

Should we repeal all gun laws? Make it legal for all citizens, including felons, to own arms? Make it leagal for everyone who wants one to own a machine gun? Should we wipe out all gun control laws and let people buy and sell canon?

[David]

FYI....by all means don't let the facts the others put forth get in your way. His attitude is a nice cop out for you.

[weyes1]

I really don't think the NRA has anything to do with fishing for WALLEYES. I think this is an improper place to lobby for support.
Just my two cents!

[brw]

yeah...those **** attorneys....they picked on those poor tobacco companies who really didn'tmean any harm by spiking cancer sticks and lying to the american people.....got rid of that firebomb formerly known as the pinto....and discovered internal GM documents that figured out that it was cheaper to fight death claims than make an 8.00 repair to their fuel systems......

why don't you think of a new idea other than blaming lawyers for being the focus of evil in the free world. give it a break

[chrism]

John - Need a fishing partner?

[twogun]

I am truly sorry for driving you back behind your wife or mothers skirt.I apologize to NRA MEMBERS some remarks were a little tentative. Look at the NRA as a fish for a minute, fish (nra) needs both pelvic fins( members), and the pectoral finst( non members) to stay upright.Lose one and the fish just spins in a circle going nowhere

[jw]

can't say I have heard of too many people killed with a fishing pole, have you?

[twogun]

The anti gun nutts use this web site and I'll bet they don't support it.

[never]

With people like twoguns promoting the NRA they will not gain members, in fact they will lose memebers. I firmly belive in the right to bear arms but I also feel the NRA needs to take a more realistic view, something twoguns proves only so well. The name calling the degrading of others opinions, isn't his claim for his "rights" a major battle cry of his? Why is he attacking others who voice thier right of free speech?
He needs to go crawl back into his cave in the mountains and rethink his approach to trying to get others to rally behind his fight. I know for a fact he has driven me away. You will not see my name on the NRA membership list EVER, because of people like him and their attitude.

[the big D]

>I have been shooting guns for as long as I can remember. I had a 22 before I had a BB gun for the simple fact that a BB gun is to much like the real thing and to much like a toy. My father taught me at a very young age to respect guns, (thanks Dad)he also taught me to respect my fellow man and nature as well. I support the NRA and have for many years, I am only 18 years old and have been a member since I was about 10. This makes worthy of telling you how it should be. I own an assult rifle and enjoy shooting it, belive me there are many people that shouldn't even own a sharp object. However ther are many people that are responsible enough to own guns of any kind, I feel that the way to help heel the years of misuse of wepons is to start at home. Parents should let their kids taste the many fruits of the world and and teach their children to have respect for life and know the difference between right and wrong without that there is no common starting ground for the youth to start from. So I leave you with this, take your kids hunting and shooting, spend time with them and teach them the right way to live this will be enjoyable for both of you and someday they just might thank you for it. To the NRA and RESONSIBLE gun owners dont give up and give them ****!!!!!!!

[Ed]

Well put.
For those of you who say they will never join the NRA, I have a couple of questions. What other organization will you join to keep your guns? What are you doing personally to keep your freedoms? The NRA may not be right on every point, but I will always support them. Nobody else fights for our right to keep and bear arms like they do.

[twogun]

i'm not promoting NRA i'm standing with it you can think for yourself can't you? Maybe you should take a realistic view on this...You are down on me for my free speech and degrading my opinions, and degrading my cave, i don't have to crawl in it. you sound very hippocritical. I bet you think your diaper dosen't stink. you can never have your name on any NRA membership card i doubt you would do anything good for NRA stay with the women and chidren, men will have guns

[Benito Mussolini]

Fascists. There is no need for handguns in todays society. When will they "get it"?

[twogun]

I am not a gun fanatic, I hunt with a smoke pole(muzzle loader)for the last 4yrs. I used my bow for 14yrs. before that.I started with a model 62a WIN.22 my dad found it in a burned up log cabin in Montana when I was 5 at age 7 My dad was a master gunsmith all his life, education on firearms was his thing. He made me and my two brothers costom rifles he made a new stock and forearm for that 22 he found.MY older brother ingraves guns for Ducks Unlimited my dad was a General foreman for matinince for John Deers retiered at 53 died at 57 due to his love of fixing firearms (in 3 states) he took time out for his hunting, and to take us fishing, thats when i got hooked. i fish more than i do any thing. when dad died he had a very large collection of guns the only ones i wanted was a pair of nickle, pearlhandle.costom ported,lots of extras. colt six guns in a twin black leather holster cromed shells all around the back of it .Thats how i got the name twogun. guns are not my life,fishing is my passion. but guns will always be with me. Like i said i'm not a gun fanatic, you can take the NRA or not! thats my battle cry!!!!

[get real]

Wasen't Mussolini hanged, or was he beheaded for his reasoning.

[DANNY]

Those radical guesions are just plain wacko.

[DANNY]

I doubt you if you would know the differece between an adult bull elk and a *****cat sounds like to me maybe you shouldnt use drugs, your seeing things.

[bob oh]

I agreee, I use to support NRA, but too many fanatics in there now, which gives the anti's ammunion.
Bob

[Neal/CO]

I was being sarcastic Danny. But I am sure the NRA will sleep well tonight knowing they can count on you.
Oh by the way, I have hunted and fished my way thru both Colorado and Wyoming the past 25 years, I have a pretty good idea what a bull elk looks like. But thanks for your amazing insight anyway.

[Skip]

hey twogun; my 35 dollars is going in to nra so we will have a bigger voice, got to go eat walleye.

[Grampa_Joe]

LAST EDITED ON Mar-22-00 AT 04:59PM (CST)[p]The way the antis in any one of these groups work is by chipping away and stair stepping until their objective; the complete banning of whatever they are against is complete. One tiny step at a time. This is exactly why it's called cruelty to animals to hook a maggot or a minnow in a number of European countries. Don't be fooled by complete catch and release proposals either. It is illegal to release a fish caught (obviously with artificial bait) back to the water in those same countries. In talking to fishermen of these countries, they feel it's only a matter of time until it's completely against the law to fish. They I am an NRA member and I completely understand their hard line approach. We can't give an inch. When you do, then you fight tooth and nail over the next inch, and so on. These are well organized groups (the antis) with a game plan. You win a war by winning a lot of small battles.I do believe that there is a correlation between the gun groups and fishing groups. This board probably isn't the best place to discuss it, but we are discussing it. To be honest, name a group that is fighting the antis for our fishing rights? The antis lobby against tournaments and fishing in general and it's probably just a matter of time before they gain ground like the groups that would ban guns.
For those who would rather talk walleyes, skip over this subject if you don't want to talk about it.
-Joe's 2¢

[EAGLE EYES]

This NRA subject is getting on my nerves. Let's talk about fishing EH!!!!!

[never]

if it takes a gun for you to feel like a man than you have problems

[River_eye]

I totally understand that there are many people that can own a gun responsibly, but there are just enough people that aren't responsible to make it a problem. There are also many incidents that happen that have nothing to do with responsible ownership of a gun. Simply put, accidents happen, I just think that they would happen less if there were less guns.

River eye

[River_eye]

Those first two don't apply to this argument at all, I have no idea why you would bring it up. We're talking about gun control. Yes we can't have handguns, for a legitimate reason, they get into the wrong hands too easily. They cause more harm than good, as has been demonstrated in the U.S.

River eye

[DANNY]

Anti gunners use sarcastic insight, They can't use common sence. That gives NRA fuel with comments like that, we thank you. oh yea I know I'll sleep good tonight. and I'll be safe.

[Neal/CO]

I must be the only "Anti" who owns a Winchester 333 Magnum and two shotguns. I may not have any common "sense", but I know how to spell it. Don't shoot yourself.

[Skip]

Looks like the citizens of Colorado have more common sence than some.

[DANNY]

you OWN GUNS THAT SCARE ME. You don't support NRA you are the type that sit back do nothing but bash good causes. Like I 've heard some guys should not have guns.

[skip]

If there were no more handguns they would use sawed off shotguns. THINK!!

[Larry]

From what I have read you have a problem with being a man, and nothing can help you.

[Grampa_Joe]

If you make handguns illegal in the US, the law-abiding citizens will be the only people unarmed. There are millions of guns already in circulation. I would prefer to defend myself rather than have a policeman do the paperwork over my corpse. Don't get me wrong, I have great respect for the police. They are just too under-staffed to do much but fill out the paperwork after a crime has been committed.
2 more cents
-Joe

[Krista]

Laws on guns are something that everyone has issues on... As soon as our government starts passing laws on gun control, it will only begin the snowballing of even more laws on guns!! I do not agree on banning guns at all... Although some firearms are not necessary... If someone wants to own a gun, fine.. just keep it legal.... But the more honest people they take guns away from, the more the crooks will have them... Then how are we supposed to defend ourselves??? And this whole issue with kids and guns... that's the parent's responsibility to keep them OUT of their children's hands.... The way I see it, our government and may others are passing these gun laws to only take control of this country. Why do you think there are so many militia groups out there?? Our wonderful government is NOT concerned with the welfare of us or our children.. the only intention they have is to take our guns away from us so we can no longer fight back!! I have said my peace...

[Mrrugs]

Perhaps it's time to move this discussion over to the NRA message board so the rest of us can get back to sharpening our hooks while they're still legal.

[David]

Those who say they won't join because of people like two gun really are using feelings for judgement. That is the problem. If you could think without the clouding of emotions you might get the picture. Your despise for the NRA has put you right where the current administration would like all gun owners....without a voice.

[mikeymike]

Well said. And i,m right behind you!

[Larry]

My last reply was intended for never or is that the same as never never land?

[weyes1]

14 States still allow ownership of automatic weapons.
Assault weapons have no part in our society. They we made for war and killing people.
Hand guns, I have to commend Smith & Wesson for what they decided to do. There is no reason hand guns can't be safe. Would you like one of your children to get a hold of a gun and shoot someone?
There is also no reason for some of these hand guns to hold more than 6 rounds. Come on 14 rounds? Consider that an assault weapon!
I have hunted and fished most of my life. I was a member of the NRA on and off. I haven't been a member since Bush was president. The NRA is too extreme now. Blaming Clinton for the murder of the 6yr. Just turned me agianst the NRA even more.
This goes to show you the extreme measures the NRA takes to throw scare tactics into the people they are supposedly helping. Just like Religon's. Don't pray to god in the church, you're going to ****. Take away assault weapons, they are going to take our guns.
You guys need to open your eyes and see the big picture. It isn't going to happen. No way, No how!

[chesterP]

What is the web site of the NRA? We all need to visit it, and get up to date on happenings, articles, etc. Then become members! We all have some reason to fight this fight, if nothing else, for that special gun that Great-Grandpa gave you or that first gun that you used when you and Grandpa went hunting for "the big one". This site is about banding together, now we have a very important reason, we can't let the bored, uneducated people of this world today, make our plans!!!

[never]

Larry if you could read you would know were the never came from. It is so stupid to compare manlyhood with a gun. I guess women and children aren't allowed in the NRA? No wonder they are in trouble with narrow minded people like you and twoguns promting them. The next thing you are going to tell me that if you drive a big truck or a fast car you more of a man too. Woman should be barefoot and pregnant too, right Larry? You guys are ignorant.

[LARRY]

Women should be in the NRA they would be more manly then you even if they were not in NRA. never never land has your thinking mode shutdown you should get out in the real world more.

[twogun]

Hey Larry, never will never get it, if I say yes he'll say no if I say no he would say yes, besides it takes manlyhood to get woman pregnant for him they will just be barefoot. HE is ignorant.

[TODD]

IT'S FINE TO TRY TO BE CUTE WITH YOUR COMENTS ABOUT SHARP HOOKS ETC. BUT IF WON'T BE NEARLY AS FUNNY WHEN THEY THEY COME AFTER US FISHERMEN NEXT FOR STICKING THOSE "SHARP" LITTLE HOOKS THROUGH SOME POOR LITTLE MINNOWS LIPS. IT'S TIME SPORTSMEN LIKE YOU JOIN ALL SPORTSMEN AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER BEFORE IT'S TO LATE.

[GullGuide]

Everyone's missing the point....First, GUNS do not kill, its the people who pull the trigger. We do not need more laws governing GUNS, we need our police and judicial system to start handing down very strict sentances for crimes commited with guns, such as life without parole. Wouldnt you think that would deter a few people? that brings me to my second point....If some one is going to commit a crime, they are going to commit that crime regardless of weather they have a gun or not. So they take away our guns...then the crimes will be commited with knifes...then they will take away our knifes and so on and so on till they have to take away all the rocks and wood, because you can make a club with wood and clubs kill....see how stupid that argument is? Third, we need to start working as a nation to better our children's values. It says something about our society and our country's parents when we let our kids watch VERY violent movies and tv shows and let them listen to gangster rap. Ever heard about something called DESENSITIZING...I dont even know if thats spelled right, but when a kid sees and hears about killing and blood and whatever every day, they get to the point that they think it's no big deal to pull the trigger.
Nuff said.
>"////=<

[twogun]

I should have put this up a long time ago so the anti gunners can learn something...www.nrawinningteam.com see for yourself.

[Fish-on]

Yup, and there would be less car accidents if there were less cars. With your logic, we punish irresponsible people by taking cars away from everyone.

[nighteyes]

It is my hope that rivereyes and the rest of the
non-US citizens will concern themselves with issues in their own country and stay the **** out of U.S. domestic policy issues. IT IS NOT YOUR BUSINESS!!!. The beliefs of Canadain citizens on the issue of gun control or any other issue is only relevant in the context of CANADAIN legislation. Don't even try that "world community" line of crap, the U.S. is a soverign nation, the world community and the United Nations can go to ****. And before you start that "I travel to the U.S." BS, no one asked you to come here. If you don't like it here... stay there. This dicussion started w/ a statement about the National Rifle Association, not a request for your opinion about the United States and our laws and legislation.

[nighteyes]

It is my hope that rivereyes and the rest of the
non-US citizens will concern themselves with issues in their own country and stay the **** out of U.S. domestic policy issues. IT IS NOT YOUR BUSINESS!!!. The beliefs of Canadain citizens on the issue of gun control or any other issue is only relevant in the context of CANADAIN legislation. Don't even try that "world community" line of crap, the U.S. is a soverign nation, the world community and the United Nations can go to ****. And before you start that "I travel to the U.S." BS, no one asked you to come here. If you don't like it here... stay there. This dicussion started w/ a statement about the National Rifle Association, not a request for your opinion about the United States and our laws and legislation.

[nighteyes]

It is my hope that rivereyes and the rest of the
non-US citizens will concern themselves with issues in their own country and stay the **** out of U.S. domestic policy issues. IT IS NOT YOUR BUSINESS!!!. The beliefs of Canadain citizens on the issue of gun control or any other issue is only relevant in the context of CANADAIN legislation. Don't even try that "world community" line of crap, the U.S. is a soverign nation, the world community and the United Nations can go to ****. And before you start that "I travel to the U.S." BS, no one asked you to come here. If you don't like it here... stay there. This dicussion started w/ a statement about the National Rifle Association, not a request for your opinion about the United States and our laws and legislation.

[Neal/Co]

Lets see, I have Danny telling me I haven't earned the right to keep my guns, because I don't aree with him. And you won't tolerate river-eyes opinion because he is Canadian. And you wonder why I won't join the NRA! You guys should stop fearing the Anti's, " you are your own worst enemy".

[Hans]

Gimme a break! Do you also keep a watch out for black helicopters?

--
"There is nothing; absolutely nothing; half so much worth doing,
as simply messing about in boats." :-)

[ufda]

I didn't call them "cop killer bullets". I also don't like the media using inflamatory terms. I said their only purpose was to kill cops. Yes, all bullets have the potential to kill, but are you suggesting that some don't have a greater potential? You tell me why they are teflon coated; so they can go straight through a deer without harming the meat? I think not. Additionally, I did not use the term "assault rifle", I just helped our illiterate friend spell it properly.
ufda

[ufda]

It wasn't the power of your arguments - it was the Attorney General of the State of New York threatening Browning and other companies dealing in a legal manufacturing business with bankruptcy if they didn't do what HE wanted them too. There are obviously nuts on both sides, but I can recover if we are too far your way. We cannot recover if we go the way of the anti-gun lobby.
ufda

[ufda]

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[ufda]

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[ufda]

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[River_eye]

So many people compare guns unfairly to other things. Handguns can't be compared to cars because the main use of guns is to kill, cars aren't meant to kill. Tell me some other usefull features of guns other than to shoot them and to kill. Cars are not designed to kill, guns are.

River eye

[Mr S]

Yes, spend some time there. If you believe what you posted you won't be disappointed.

http://www.nra.org

Here is another good one.

http://www.saf.org

[Mr S]

Yes, spend some time there. If you believe what you posted you won't be disappointed.

http://www.nra.org

Here is another good one.

http://www.saf.org

[Mr S]

Yes, spend some time there. If you believe what you posted you won't be disappointed.

http://www.nra.org

Here is another good one.

http://www.saf.org

[twogun]

Guns are made to only kill??? tell that to the trap shooters that earn a living,.. on what KILLING CLAYS. or the competition shooter that travels the circuit, usually their targets are allready dead

[twogun]

Guns are made to only kill??? tell that to the trap shooters that earn a living,.. on what KILLING CLAYS. or the competition shooter that travels the circuit, usually their targets are allready dead

[twogun]

Guns are made to only kill??? tell that to the trap shooters that earn a living,.. on what KILLING CLAYS. or the competition shooter that travels the circuit, usually their targets are allready dead

[twogun]

Guns are made to only kill??? tell that to the trap shooters that earn a living,.. on what KILLING CLAYS. or the competition shooter that travels the circuit, usually their targets are allready dead

[Larry]

This guy is funny! you don't have to earn the right to have a gun. The forefahers have won that right for you. where you been??? get smart on this....

[Larry]

This guy is funny! you don't have to earn the right to have a gun. The forefahers have won that right for you. where you been??? get smart on this....

[Larry]

This guy is funny! you don't have to earn the right to have a gun. The forefahers have won that right for you. where you been??? get smart on this....

[Heston is a Jerk!]

Sorry .. but as a gun owner and hunter I thjink C Heston is a jerk and plays right into the anti's hands.

Give me a break ... I don't need a machine gun to protect my family.

[Heston is a Jerk!]

Sorry .. but as a gun owner and hunter I thjink C Heston is a jerk and plays right into the anti's hands.

Give me a break ... I don't need a machine gun to protect my family.

[Wallie]

Sorry .. but as a gun owner and hunter I thjink C Heston is a jerk and plays right into the anti's hands.

Give me a break ... I don't need a machine gun to protect my family.

[jbird]

I agree you don't need a machine gun. But if you take that away the next thing will be a handgun, then shotguns, then muzzleloaders.
Even if you dont agree with machine guns you must help support those people. In turn they will help support you in a cause or an ordeal.
I think alot of people ideas and opions are stupid and I know alot of people think the same of mine, thats alright but almost all the time we come to the same conclusion, Together we are strong, and the only way to combat anti's is to stick together. If we bicker and fight amongst ourselves the only thing we will loose is our rights.
just my 2cents
Jason

[River_eye]

I don't know how many times I have to say this. I'm not against using rifles for sport or anything else, I'm not even against hunting. Just disagree with handgun laws. I have no problem with responsible use of handguns, I do have a problem with people who can't handle them still being able to legally own them.

BTW, havn't you figured out how to post just one copy of a message?

River eye

[River_eye]

LAST EDITED ON Mar-23-00 AT 06:32PM (CST)[p]I don't know how many times I have to say this. I'm not against using rifles for sport or anything else, I'm not even against hunting. Just disagree with handgun laws. I have no problem with responsible use of handguns, I do have a problem with people who can't handle them still being able to legally own them.

River eye

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