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I was looking at a 97 toyota pick up. it has a 2.4 with a 5 speed. I was wondering if this would pull a 16' crestliner Fish hawk. It would not go on 400 mile trips, but 100 mile trips would not be out of the question. It is only a 2 wheel drive.
It will handle a 16 foot aluminum rig with no problems.
You will probably find the 5 speed (manual) to be a hassle on launch ramps, the automatic is by far a better choice.
If you end up looking at other Toys, try to find a v6 auto, its a neat little package.
Good Luck
Fritz
01-15-2001, 04:55 PM
It will pull it, but how about stopping? As long as you remember what you are doing, you should be ok, but there always is the other driver who cuts into your lane and reduces your safe following distance to a dangerous situation.
I have a Ford F150 4X4 with a 300 6 cyl. pulling a 16 Ft Crestliner Fishhawk with a 75 hp Honda. When I get my next truck, it will have a V-8 and be full size. I was looking at them today and I liked the Ford. A couple of monthes ago I looked a the Tundra and thought it could do the job.
a friend of mine just got a 2001 TOYota truck. While I wouldn't get one (die hard USA car guy) I was impresed. his is 2wd with the 4cyl and 5speed. it seemed to be a good little truck (I don't like the shallow bed). It or any small truck should be able to tow a 16' metal boat period. there is no argument that bigger is better, but there are many other factors in deciding what vevicle is best for you. my limited experience towing with a 5 speed/4cyl truck proved to me that an automatic is better in that situation, however, if I were to get another 4cyl truck it would definitly be a stick. look at your big picture and figure what is the best compromise, this vehicle will work for adequatly if not well towing a small boat and is a prety good vehicle.
here is list of a few things I did or did not like (I drive 2000 ranger supercab w/v6 auto and the 4 door ext cab.
felt solid and well built,but a bit lite and wimpy, somewhat like the S-10's I have driven. as opposrd to the heavier, more trucklike and solid ranger. I like the heavier tailgate, doors exct.. The 4cly 5 speed seemed to have decent acceleration and a nice ride, again similar to the S-10. I did not care for the shallow bed. with a cover on it it would be virtualy useless. the advantage I saw with the shallow bed was slightly better rear visibility. however, I use my bed often and think the deeper (ranger) bed would be better.
didn't like
That little 4-banger is NOT up to pulling a 16 foot boat down the road in traffic, like ferinstance on a nice July afternoon with a 20 MPH head wind and 90-degree temps.
Hans
eyechaser
01-16-2001, 01:28 PM
I have a 96 toyota tacoma V6 5speed currently and pull a 16ft. seanymph it does the job with no problems. I also had a 87 toy which was a 4 cyl. 5speed and it did the job with no problems except that after I put the boat away for the winter I would have to put new front brake pads on. My 96 has a 4 piston caliper and it handels stopping very well. I have 92 thousand plus miles on my truck and just put a second set of front brake pads on! I hope this helps
news flash a 16' aluminum boat is not very heavy!!!!!!
contrary to opinnion I have read on this board you do not need a big truck to safely tow a small boat!!!!!
worth noting though, there can be a substantial difference in weight of a 16' boat. for example low hp tiller motor with no interior compaired to a bigger motor, storage compartments, seats, console steer....
I havent seen a truck that couldn't safely tow a 16' basic boat!!
>I havent seen a truck that
>couldn't safely tow a 16'
>basic boat!!
Let's just do the math. That little truck has a dry curb weight of 2725 pounds or thereabouts, and a GVWR of around 4200. In other words, the brakes and other safety systems can safely handle 1475 pounds beyond the dry curb weight. (Presuming no brakes on the trailer.) I'll use my Smoker 161 ProMag, a typical 16' side console rig, for the calculations.
Driver weight 180
Passenger weight 120
Tank of gas in truck(15 gals @ 5#/gal) 75
Boat dry weight 920
Tank of gas in boat(20 gals @ 5#/gal) 100
90HP OMC Outboard 320
Trailer dry weight 372
Batteries in boat (3 x 45#) 135
Trolling motor 37
Tackle boxes, electronics, anchor,
life jackets, fire extinguisher,
lunch and beverages, etc., etc., etc. 250
Total 2509 :o
(Or more than a half ton above the GVWR designed into the brakes, etc, of the Toyota truck.)
Please take the back roads so that it will be a single-vehicle accident and not take out other innocent victims. :'(
Hans
wetnet
01-16-2001, 05:39 PM
I had a 1997 T 100 4x4 . The boat I have is a 16 foot
starcarft the truck did have a tuff time when it came to
inerstate drivivg passing was hard.I now have a Ram 1500
with a 318 it pulls my boat great
toofeweyes
01-16-2001, 06:46 PM
DITTO AND AMEN
:D is it time to go fishing yet?? :7
this is from toyota web site: the towing capacity of regular cab with 4 cyl and 5 speed is 3500 lbs
now are you going to tell me that this little truck can't safely tow your 2500 lb boat??
once again YOU DO NOT NEED A BIG TRUCK TO TOW A SMALL BOAT!!
do you honestly think auto manufactures would take the liability
of over rating their vehicle capacitys? If you need a full sized truck to tow such a small craft what would you "need" to tow a 30' big water rig? also, GVWR does not = towing capacity, read your owners manual!!
bob oh
01-17-2001, 09:52 AM
Do you also like the wimpy little standard V6 in the Ranger as compared to the Vortec V6 in the S-10 ;-)
Bob
the 3.0 l is ok but the 4.0 is MUCH nicer. unfortunatly the 3.0 could use a bit more on the performance end, but it is absolutly adequit and has plenty of power on the highway. I don't care for the wimpier feel and lower driving position of the S-10, so I will suffer with a slightyl weaker engine.
LAST EDITED ON Jan-17-01 AT 12:31PM (CST)[p]That little truck will safely tow 3,500 pounds if it is equipped with special sway bars, the GVWR of the truck is not violated, >AND< the trailer is equipped with proper brakes (how many 16' boats are on trailers with brakes?).
Otherwise, go back to my "do the math" message and in any case PLEASE let me know which roads you travel with that deathtrap lash-up! If you have an accident with personal injuries or fatalities, your insurance company will disown you, and the opposing lawyers are gonna own your future for many years, presuming your aren't doing hard time for criminal negligence.
Hans
brakes are always a good idea, however "special sway bars" are not nessesary. the only additional equipment needed is a quality weight distributing hitch. I still don't understand how towing a trailer that is lighter than the factory tow rating would cuase the vehicle to be an accident waiting to happen. granted you need to use common sense and not exceede the GCVWR (gross combined vehicle weight rating). but to flat out state that this would be a dangerous combination? use your head!
Toyota themselves (at their web site) recommend/require sway bars. They say "For each model, a Toyota Class III receiver hitch and sway control device are either required or recommended additional equipment. See your Toyota dealer for details."
Most of these yuppie-haulers come with neither, and usually have passenger car tires (NOT recommended for towing), a questionable aftermarket hitch bought at KMart (or more likely just a ball bolted through the sheet metal bumper), and no trailer brakes of any kind. I don't want to share a wet, curved, or crowded highway with any of them!
Hans
I have a 2000 Toyota Tacoma w/the 2.7 motor & automatic. It's not aoo bad for pulling my 16ft. Lund. No speed records but, it's OK
tinboat
01-17-2001, 12:43 PM
Hans, great post, I used to pull my 17ft Lund with a D-50 dodge, while it would pull it okay, you couldnt stop the ##### thing when you needed to, and cross winds could get the pucker factor pretty high...I hate the thought of having to tow with a jap rig again
Pardner
01-17-2001, 01:05 PM
Tuck the "Jap" word away someplace where you can use it your next trip to Tokio. These boards have international intelligence you know.
Take care Pardner
tinboat
01-17-2001, 02:39 PM
OOPS....my apologies
On your T-100 did you have the standard in-line 4 or the v6? I ask because I have a '97 T-100 2wd v6 and have no problems pulling 3000 lbs. In fact I am going to a bigger glass boat and will be towing with 3500+ lbs.
Although it is nothing like the Yukon with a 5.7 I had (used to pull 5500 lbs there) it does fine (plus I can get 23mpg (highway) when not towing.
U r asking for big time problems. I like Toyota, but safety and wear and tear on the transmission and brakes would be a waste of money.The 6 cylinder would be a much smarter purchase, plus it would last a lot longer.
George Eh
01-17-2001, 04:41 PM
Hi TP, the Toy with 2.4 and manual will pull your boat but you will know it is there on hills. I had a 93 Mazda 2.2 and pulled a 16' Starcraft with 30# on it, never had any problems and passed a lot of bigger trucks. The manual said to pull in 4th but I used 5th on the flats or downhill and only used 4th in the hills. She stopped her fine but the front brakes on 93 B2200's were a problem area and I had to replace them every year because they would warp. That truck was rated to tow 2000#. Good luck on your purchase.
Most of these yuppie-haulers come with neither, and usually have passenger car tires (NOT recommended for towing), a questionable aftermarket hitch bought at KMart (or more likely just a ball bolted through the sheet metal bumper), and no trailer brakes of any kind. I don't want to share a wet, curved, or crowded highway with any of them!....
Hans,
Most small trucks, including U.S. brands, come standard with passenger rated tires. To say that Toyota vehicles come with an aftermarket hitch bought at Kmart is also unfair, the non-factory hitch placed on a vehicle is left up to the owner (iI guess many non Toyota owners would also choose this route??? Personally, the Kmarts near me sell Reese hitches--a quality hitch). I agree very few 16 foot rigs have trailer brakes.
The Toyota suggestion that sway bars are used when towing is just that. In fact, my Yukon owners manual also reccomended them. this is an industry standard reccomendation used to lessen their legal culpability in the even of an accident due to violent trailer sway/loss of control. Laywers like to be able to say "we reccomended an anti sway device, which was not used..."
I have personally towed with a small Toyota truck for 8 years with a 16 foot rig and found absolutely no problems. I have friends who have done the same (with Toyotas) I also have friends who have done such with other small trucks--again no problem.
Stopping is a concern when towing, regardless of the vehicle or size of rig towed. To suggest one needs to have a full sized pickup to tow a small boat is simply overkill. If this pattern of using a huge vehicle is extended, what do we tow a 4500 lb Ranger rig with? Or a 7000lb 24 foot walkaround cuddy? A semi?
Sorry for such a long winded reply..
Hans,
By the way, you have used the GVWR as the top end limit of vehicle, passengers , and towed weight. It is the GCWR (gross Combined weight restrictriction) that is used to calculate the allowable towing weight over the vehicle and passengers. This figure is NOT on Toyotas web site under specifications for the Tacoma. However, the owners manuals contain this information.
stan and others,
thanks for the support!
I hate the notion that you "Need" a full sized V8 4x4 truck to tow a light trailer. Granted it may do the job better, but it just is not nessesary. Additionaly, there is no truth or justification of the opinnion that towing a small boat with a small truck is an accident waiting to happen. there are a lot of factors that go into safely towing a trailer and, guess what? they apply to all vehicles! also, there is nothing wrong with towing using a step bumper or a bolt-on type hitch, as long as it is properly attached and capacities are not exceeded. way too many people accept the gosphel according to whoever without looking things up and making an informed decision for themselves. oh, while I am rambeling, if you are going to make an argument, please leave out the logical falacies,prejeduced lies and unsuportable "generalizations".
it's safe
01-18-2001, 11:25 AM
there is no saftey issue about towing a light boat with a small truck. it's just toyota bashing, because some have a problem with your choice! If these folks are so concerned about saftey, they wouldn't be driving a giant suv or pick up. fact: 60% of all suv fatalities are caused by rollover accidents, while 40% percent of pick up fatalities are rollover related. In an suv u are 3x more likely to be killed by a rollover accident and 2x as likely to die in a pic up rollover than in a car. here's the dot link:
http://www.dot.gov/affairs/nhtsa2200.htm
i'm not anti suv or anti pick up, it's their choice, i respect that. just don't like to see things so distorted.
good motoring and fishing.
it's safe
JoeyO
01-18-2001, 11:33 AM
I have to agree I pulled my 16' d'c w/80 Merc for 4 years, it included i trip each year from WI. to Erie and at 1 trip to Int'l Falls each year.I may not have been the most popular guy on some of the long climbs, but I made it just fine. The mechanics still say it is better shape than most they see.A good hitch and properly balanced trailer go a long way to determing how it tows. Common Sense and proactive driving are the real keys though.
"Common sense is very uncommon"
LAST EDITED ON Jan-18-01 AT 02:55PM (CST)[p]>....if you are going to make
>an argument, please leave out
>the logical falacies, prejeduced lies and
>unsuportable "generalizations".
I tell it as I see it. You see it differently.
Fine.
That doesn't mean either of us is a liar, or otherwise 'dishonest' in our arguments.
Hans
--
We pass the word around; we ponder how the case is put by different
people, we read the poetry; we meditate over the literature; we play
the music; we change our minds; we reach an understanding. Society
evolves this way, not by shouting each other down, but by the unique
capacity of unique, individual human beings to comprehend each other.
--Lewis Thomas, The Medusa and the Snail (1979)
I am refering to statments like these:
Most of these yuppie-haulers come with neither, and usually have passenger car tires (NOT recommended for towing), a questionable aftermarket hitch bought at KMart (or more likely just a ball bolted through the sheet metal bumper), and no trailer brakes of any kind.
U r asking for big time problems. I like Toyota, but safety and wear and tear on the transmission and brakes would be a waste of money
That little 4-banger is NOT up to pulling a 16 foot boat down the road in traffic, like ferinstance on a nice July afternoon with a 20 MPH head wind and 90-degree temps.
They have no place in a good solid argument. please don't take it personaly, but the ideas/concepts could be supported much better by not using falacies, or over generalizations, and stating opinion as absolute fact. I enjoy a good argument, but it works best if played fair. otherwise I understand and personaly hold to some of your points. My only contention is that that vehicle (toyota truck) can safely and succesfuly pull your boat. It may not do it as good as a larger vehicle, however it can and will tow it without violating GCVWR or any laws, warenties, or insurance provisions. I agree biger is typicaly better for towing, but the vehicle owners big picture needs to be considered. I don't need an f-X50 to commute to work (95% of my drving) so why pay more (for vehicle, insurance, gas,tires...)if a small truck will perform everything I need.
I stated two of the opinions you quote. They are still my personal opinion, and I don't believe they qualify me as a liar. You need to learn that gentlemen can have honest disagreement without accusing each other of being liars, or being otherwise dishonest.
Go catch some fish.
Hans
lies----yes
your opinion is stated as fact!
seriously though, I like a good honest argument, thank you for providing me with one! while I personaly would not purchase the toyota truck in question, it could satisfactorily tow an average 16' aluminium boat. safe towing and driving practices need to be folowed by all, even if your rig can easily handle the load in question.
remarkably, this thread has stayed away from brand bashing, I thank everyone for that.
Mayfly
01-18-2001, 05:17 PM
I'm personally a USA truck guy. That said, you guys all deserve a pat on the back for not once getting ugly. So darn nice to hear a solid argument without anyone becoming P.O.ed. An "attaboy" for all of you!
gettum
01-18-2001, 05:53 PM
Boy, after seeing all these posts I started feeling bad about towing my 2000lbs glass boat with a 4cyl, 10 year old Dodge Caravan for about a year and a half, before trading up to a 6cyl Jeep Cherokee!
Mr Upgrade
01-19-2001, 04:46 AM
A 200 lb glass boat, ...a 6cy Jeep Cherokee??? Why you need a 16 speed Peterbuilt cab to pull that!!! LOL
I just did a little research on this "standard v6"
as far as I could tell the v6 was optional on 2wd models. additionaly it has 180hp and 245footpounds of torque. this compairs to 145hp and 180 torque for my 3.0, however the 4.0L ford blows your chevy away! with 207hp and 238torque !
and ford has more than 2 engine choices for its trucks. chevy has optional 4.3 with 190hp and 250 torque, not quite comparable to the engine ford options on all its rangers(lower hp but better torque). torque is quite important, but with a rear-lite vehicles like these, higher is not nessecarily better in everyday situations. I spin my rear enough with only 180 footpounds.
just wanted to folow up your jab!! both are great packages
FHawk
01-23-2001, 12:21 PM
jusy a quick note. I also have a 16 ft Crestliner Fish Hawk and it weights a bit more then 900 lbs; actual weight is 1,350.
I also have a 4 cylinder Toyota Pick-Up and except for very short trips it just doesn't do the job. Consequently, most of the towing is done with my son's 4 Runner or my 97 T-Boird V8 with heavy duty suspoension and a transmission cooler.
LAST EDITED ON Jan-23-01 AT 02:29PM (CST)[p]>I also have a 4 cylinder Toyota Pick-Up and except for
>very short trips it just doesn't do the job.
Don't you let cmb hear you badmouthin' the haul in those Toy trucks now! He'll be callin' you a liar fer shure, now!
Hans
Fishless
01-23-2001, 10:54 PM
Dont buy it, if you fish much at all expect your clutch to last a year and w/out 4 wd you could find yourself in interesting positions in late fall. As suggested before go with the auto 6.