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rodbuster
02-09-2001, 07:25 PM
Two days ago three packs of money fell from the back of a bank truck.Today a man gave all 650,000 back.
Guess the nerves couldn't take it.
I'm sure I would of gave it back too after I my new boat was at the dock..........
WHAT WOULD YOU DO????????????????????????
Hey knuckle head, what if it was your money that fell out?
Knuckle head yourself !!!
The guy was asking a moral question - dope !! We're all insured up to 100,000 at the bank (more other places). If your concern was that rodbuster had 650k in that bank I do believe you are the knuckle head - knuckle head !!
Steve
johnwaleye
02-10-2001, 03:39 AM
maybe the reward for giving it back would cover a new boat .
Marshall John
02-10-2001, 03:51 AM
He would have been caught sooner or later. It is theft if he would have spent the money. He did the right thing.
Wild Bill
02-10-2001, 05:39 AM
I don't get it.If I pick up,say,a twenty dollar bill from alongside a road in Cleveland,stick it in my pocket,spend it on whatever,that makes me a thief?
smiley
02-10-2001, 07:11 AM
In my opinion finding a $20 dollar bill on the street is a little different than finding 3 packs of money. The money was probably marked with the banks name. I think he did the right thing. I do think everyone would have LIKED to keep it though.
Just my opinion.
Have a great day.
smiley
Rigger
02-10-2001, 07:19 AM
Was It a matter of nerves or morals? This man did the right
thing. About 15 years ago I found a billfold on a construction
site. In it there was $1500.00. I could have taken the money
and pitched the billfold in the bottom of some forms. Pored
concrete over it, and then gone off to crank bait heaven.
Would that have been right? NO! ( No matter what some one
would be at a loss. could be one of us one day. ) I called this
man and told him that I had found his billfold. Told him that
the $1500.00 was still in side, He was so relieved. This was 4
days before Christmas. He had taken the money out the out
of the bank that morning, on his way to the site. Where he
delivered some lumber. The money was for his Wife’s
Christmas present that he was going to pick up on his way
home from work that night. Returning that billfold gave me
a better feeling then boating a 10 pound + walleye. This is a
matter of morals and ethics. Who would you like to be
fishing against in a walleye tournament?
Rigger
badmisterevil
02-10-2001, 07:44 AM
Keeping $650,000 that isn't yours is a good way to get A.) Bad Karma. / B.) A midnight visit from the F.B.I. / C.) A luxury stay at a four star federal penitentiary / D.) A new world of dating possibilities.
Reformed Thief
02-10-2001, 09:48 AM
The best guy to beat up on is the guy who is not going to turn you in. He might (would) get a lot worse midnight visits than the FBI.
Marshall John
02-10-2001, 10:02 AM
If you knew whose money it was and made no effort to return it you are a thief.
Dubya
02-10-2001, 03:31 PM
If I lost the keys to my truck and boat would it be yours?
It's a no-brainer.
He found the money, he knew where it came from, he turns it in.
End of story!
Hans
--
"I long for the dear old lakeshore, where I dreamed my youth away;
for a dreamer lives forever, and a toiler dies in a day.
From the sleepless thoughts endeavor, I would go where the children play;
For a dreamer lives forever, And a thinker dies in a day."
Poet Wannabe
02-10-2001, 05:07 PM
Hey Hans........Who is the poet?....Please share with us.
JimmyJ
02-10-2001, 05:08 PM
Great post Rigger,"No matter where you go there you are."
AquaMan
02-10-2001, 05:21 PM
It'd be one heck of a ride and it could be done if the right person found the money.
It would not work for most of us, but...ifyou were single, had no family and had a good understanding of foriegn banking, ya might like the chance. Hmmmmm.
If that, then C ya!
AquaMan~~~~~~~~~~~~~
--- "It all begins and ends at the water's edge"
Juls_WI
02-10-2001, 05:31 PM
Ain't that the truth!!?
Well said!
Juls
Marshall John
02-10-2001, 05:36 PM
Easy to find AquaMan....Every major purchase in cash is looked at. The guy or gall would have to be experienced in laundering money. One mistake and I come down and take you for a ride. Not worth the effort if you are a regular guy. "We always get our man"
It's a no brainer.
You give it back.
Steve Miller
02-10-2001, 07:39 PM
"Go on take the money and run.....ooh, ooh, ooh"
jim c
02-10-2001, 08:06 PM
Bill Clinton would not give it back
I have no idea. The poem was found in the desk of
a friend who recently died, but I don't think he
wrote it.
Hans
--
"I long for the dear old lakeshore, where I dreamed my youth away;
for a dreamer lives forever, and a toiler dies in a day.
From the sleepless thoughts endeavor, I would go where the children play;
For a dreamer lives forever, And a thinker dies in a day."
MIfish
02-11-2001, 12:57 AM
LOL, Hah, you gotta be kidding me. That money is corporation money, if they were stupid enough to lose it then I aint going to help any corporation' bottom line by returning it. Screw morals, there is a big difference between returning somebody's wallet 4 days before Christmas and returning a corporations travel and entertainment budget. There is a billion ways to hide it. You spend it in very small quanities and start a business such as car wash or laundrymat. It's very easy to pad your books and overinflate your sales revenues. That stuff is done every day in the real world. As long as you don't go hog wild in your spending habits (purchasing something new for more than $10,000 in cash) its a no-brainer. This is not the 1950's anymore, good deeds belong in Boy Scout handbooks and Church bulletins.
Reverend White Tip ( Eagle Scout )
02-11-2001, 03:22 AM
There is only one thing that those with morels can do for you.
Pray for your soul!
MIfish is one of the people you don't want to fish next too! If it wasn't yours to begin the day it isn't at the end either. No matter how you try to rationalize it. Sorry too big of word "steal it" that is. You do the crime you do the time. Taking it off the street is the same as taking it out of the truck!!! There's no reason to try and figure out who's it is or whether its some big corporations fun money, it isn't yours!!!! Its not finders keepers like you play when your kids. Thats the problem now. Too many people wanting something for nothing. Thats why you see people sueing others at a drop of a hat,and over nothing. The guy saw he was gonna get caught and did the right thing. The guy that was the eye witness could get 75,000.00 for being honest. I'll take the above board money any day. CW
Yea But......
02-11-2001, 06:26 AM
....."Billy Mac is a detective down in Texas. You know he knows just exactly what the facts is".........
Marshall John
02-11-2001, 07:13 AM
I really like people that do that MIFISH.:D They are the ones that make my days so interesting. The look on their face when the judge brings the hammer down is like netting that big one. I never get tired of it.
About two weeks before Christmas, an older woman was shopping in the store where I work. When she left the store she accidentally left her purse in the shopping cart out in the parking lot and drove off. She realized her mistake and was back at the parking lot in ten minutes... the purse was gone. She came into the store and asked if someone had turned in a purse but no one had and no one ever did. She had over two hundred dollars in her wallet and it was pretty much all the money that she had to spend on Christmas presents. When we told her that no one had turned in a wallet or purse, she sat down and cried. Finders keepers, losers weepers???? I don't see it that way.
By the looks of some of the answers here, I wonder what kind of stunts you pull in a tournament because..."they won't find out"?
Hawgboy
02-11-2001, 07:53 AM
He did the right thing, but the bank should give him 10% reward. After taxes??
gertzie
02-11-2001, 03:16 PM
It's kind of amazing up people will do at the site of money? How they will react in their decisions,Me i would give it back,i have enuff problem in my life right now.
Sampson
02-11-2001, 04:10 PM
Just thinking out loud....
This reminds me of a woman's wallet I found on a large university campus early one Saturday morning. It was lying in the street near an area with a bunch of popular student bars and it had about $100, credit cards, drivers license, etc. Being the nice guy that I am, I called her up and told her I had her wallet. About 15 minutes later a BMW pulls into my driveway and 2 fraternity-type fellows come to my door in a tough-guy manner. I met them at the door, handed over the wallet (with everything intact). She sat in the back seat of the car the whole time. I never even got so much as a thank you.
I'd still give it back, but it really makes you wonder about some people.
gofish
02-11-2001, 04:29 PM
One of God's laws for daily living is "Thou shalt not steal". I think God new what was he was doing, given the fact that much of mankind's misery is a result of our love for wealth....specifically money. I've seen normal people do pretty stupid things for money. It sure has a way of clouding our judgement.
FlyBoy
02-11-2001, 04:45 PM
I'd give it back, as soon as my attorney was done negotiating my reward. I wouldn't steal it, but I would try real hard to get compensated for my efforts.
-John
Rigger
02-11-2001, 05:05 PM
I bet that you have your Attorney at all the tournaments you enter also.
Marshall John
02-11-2001, 05:21 PM
I'd try and get both you guys in the same cell. I don't like lawyers much so I think I'd give him the top bunk. How can you "negotiate" for something that is not yours. Why not do the right thing and give it back right away.
FlyBoy
02-11-2001, 05:30 PM
Hey Marshall, pull the badge off your ears long enough to listen. I didn't say I wouldn't give it back, all I said was I'd like to see if there is anything in it for me. A couple grand to a private indvidual, no problem. 600k+ falls out of a armored truck, where's the responsibility? I know if it was my 600g's I'd be happy to give someone a little cash to give it back.
-John
FlyBoy
02-11-2001, 05:31 PM
No rigger, I'm not elite enough to be in tournaments, I'll leave that up to you.
-John
Marshall John
02-11-2001, 06:03 PM
I'm sure the judge would listen FlyBoy if I did not hear you. I can be a little hard of hearing at times.
Wild Bill
02-11-2001, 06:40 PM
Chill out,Marshall John.Go catch a real criminal or something.Don`t you know there is only one ``TOUGH GUY``on this board?
AquaMan
02-11-2001, 06:45 PM
Like I said, it would have to be the "right person" for sure. One with experience in a number of things and a lack of family.
I'm not the right guy for many reasons. But I can wish. ;-)
AquaMan~~~~~~~~~~~~~
--- "It all begins and ends at the water's edge"
AquaMan
02-11-2001, 06:48 PM
"...and their still runni' today....go on...."
AquaMan~~~~~~~~~~~~~
--- "It all begins and ends at the water's edge"
Tough Guy
02-11-2001, 07:47 PM
Someone mention my name? Tough Guy no need money. Live off land fishing for walleye, hunting for meat and fur. Tough Guy know no other way. Tough Guy out
Westy
02-11-2001, 08:03 PM
Having a great deal of experience in this type of thing, I can tell you that you will be caught. Someone mentioned that you could get away with it by only spending small amounts and never more than $10,000.00. Guess what... Many things are monitored that are not disclosed to the general public. It is not too difficult to be caught. Another person mentioned that you should not be concerned to spend some corporation's fun money. Even if it was those type of funds, which I would greatly doubt, does that make it right? If it was a large business that lost the funds, would that make it any different than a small one? Someone still suffers the consequences for the mistake. Does it make sense to have someone who is making very little money pay the price for the person who keeps the money? I don't get that whole line of thinking. I question the fortitude of those who feel it is acceptable to screw those who are less fortunate, corporate or not.
IaCraig
02-11-2001, 11:21 PM
First off, it is a no brainer to give the money back because of what is morally right, not out of fear of getting caught.
However I disagree with the people who think it would be a piece of cake to track the finder, unless someone saw the money being picked up and reported good enough info to narrow things down.
Personally, if it was me and I heard the the arrogance demonstrated by the good marshal. It would be darn tempting to take his challenge and send a letter to the press stating it would be returned as soon as he cried uncle!
It doesn't really matter, it is all hypothetical.
IaCraig
I would bet that those bills were somehow marked or tracked by the numbers on them. Is this what you meant by things being monitored? Other than that, if the person who took the money only spent small amounts, it would be difficult for them track or catch up.
By the way, I am not saying this is what you should do, I am saying that I believe this is the only way they could have caught them less the chance someone fingered them on it.
Toadstool
02-12-2001, 05:40 AM
Those "morels" will certainly please your palate (not your pallet). I think they are the best tasting fungi in the world.
Backwater Eddy
02-12-2001, 06:39 AM
Without actually haveing 650 K of smelly cash in my greedy little paws I find it easy to say (GULP), give it b-b-b-ack.
Than hope for good karma, like a long term low interest loan in return, or maybe no interest, or a free pen or piggie bank an a pat on the tooch.
:D
BE...
{Patience is said to be a virtue, so lets all hurry up and find some!}
Backwater Eddy
02-12-2001, 06:51 AM
Tough Guy no need cash but what it........
What if Tough Guy find fresh kill fat white tail doe in woods?
Tough guy know dump hunter Joe Schmuck wonder woods looking for his doe he wounded with bow. This is Joe Schmucks Christmas feast for Joe Schmucks 11 kid's and mean ugly wife Lumpy Schmuck.
What Tough Guy do now? Drag new found doe to Tough Guy cave and no tell Joe, or youdle to get Joe Schmuck's attention so dumb Joe finds meat and Lumpy won't beat him again?
What to do, what will you do?
BE...
{Patience is said to be a virtue, so lets all hurry up and find some!}
K Crowley
02-12-2001, 07:16 AM
"Strength of character is determined by those decisions we make in an instant."
I didn't come up with that myself, and I am sure I've butchered the original quote, but I believe it is an undeniable truth.
Simply put, if the money is not yours, you must give it back. The playground rule "finders, keepers" cannot apply in a civilized world. JMHO, of course.
sounds like a fair challenge, but law enforcement with its sublime authority would spend $2 million tracking you down for your $650 thousand dollar decision.
"go outside and play"
sib
Eddy, that was absolutely hilarious. Ya get a ten for that one :-)
TONTO
02-12-2001, 09:47 AM
TONTO field dress animal for Joe and then go and tell Lumpy where animal is hidden. If Joe not find animal by himself Lumpy will tell him.
Backwater Eddy
02-12-2001, 09:52 AM
EH, Tonto like Lumpy, EH?
Joe Schmuck may field dress Tonto?
:)
BE...
{Patience is said to be a virtue, so lets all hurry up and find some!}
TONTO
02-12-2001, 10:06 AM
Eddy.......Lumpy wear pants in the familly. TONTO only part time hunter. Would have to be full time to feed herd of kids. I think Joe should spend more time hunting and fishing not hunting Lumpy. By the sounds of it Joe likes wife like Lumpy. TONTO doing Joe favour telling Lumpy.
There you go! I thought my conscience would bother me to keep the money so I would probably give it back. But to put myself in the same class as the Clintons would be so ****ing as to depress me for the rest of my life. So, it doesn't matter what you think, or what you say, but what you do that defines your character to yourself.
ufda
There is something else involved here also. You either put positive things in you life or you put yourself on a downward spiral. Notice how happy MIFish sounded? Give you two guesses which spiral he is on. I'll bet he will brag how great his life is and how well he is doing and it will all sound hollow ('cause it ain't true). People like that will always be losers because......."The succesful man is not the one who gets what he wants, but the one that wants what he has!" and he will always be unsatisfied with what he has.
ufda
Backwater Eddy
02-12-2001, 10:54 AM
MMMMM......Tonto very wise.
BE...
{Patience is said to be a virtue, so lets all hurry up and find some!}
Tough Guy
02-12-2001, 07:50 PM
Ah ha....BE have riddle to test Tough Guy character......Tough Guy thinking.......Tough Guy know now. Tough Guy no take warm animal unless killed by me. Tough Guy say no challenge to steal fresh kill. Considering season, Tough Guy help Joe Schmuck find doe, maybe become wilderness brothers for helping. Later, Joe invite Tough Guy and Tough Wife and Little Tuffies over to meet Lumpy and family and have dinner. Tough Guy request deer liver, farfa beans and a good Kiante. If Lumpy dinner no good, Tough Guy no more help Joe.
eyefish
02-13-2001, 01:28 AM
Here's what I found intresting. The guy returns the money unopened in the original packages and the FBI still questions him as if he was a thief. It's only after they count the money that they decide not to file criminal charges against him.
As if he was only going to turn in a part of the money, some thank you.
It's an amazing world we live in isn't it?
Backwater Eddy
02-13-2001, 05:10 AM
Lit'l Tuffy's, Oh my lord!
LOL
:)
BE...
{Patience is said to be a virtue, so lets all hurry up and find some!}
Kevin/CO
02-13-2001, 06:46 PM
Demonstrates that guilty until proven innocent mind set taht we are getting in this country doesn't it.
MIFISH
02-14-2001, 03:47 AM
Don't confuse "stealing" with finding something. The guy didn't force anybody anybody to give it up under force. HE FOUND IT.
MIFish
02-14-2001, 03:50 AM
When was the last time any judge ever convicted ANYBODY of theft for finding something. This guy DIDNT STEAL ANYTHING as far as the legal definition of theft goes. Think about it.
MIFISH
02-14-2001, 03:58 AM
GEE, what does not returning some found money have ANYTHING TO do cheating in a walleye tournamnent. I know of 2 major BIGTIME walleye PROS who have cheated in a walleye tournaments and one MAJOR PWT PRO had to fish a PAST MWC Championship without a partner for getting caught for CHEATING. Don't get your exercise by jumping to conclusions buddy.
Clear Conscience
02-14-2001, 09:59 AM
I'm going to remain anonymous for reasons that will become obvious.
Back in 1980 I was making $6.00 an hour and I was in charge of selling surplus stuff for the company I worked for. I was having a very hard time making it and my wife and I had our first kid on the way. There was no way the company I was working for could figure out exactly how much I was selling stuff for and how much stuff I had to sell, they just trusted me, it was too difficult to keep accurate records in this situation. I succombed to the temtation a few times when I was feeling down about my difficult finances and ended up taking a little over $2000 over the course of about 9 months, Then they ceased operations in some areas and my job got cut for other reasons. They never did even suspect that I took the money. I could not have possibly let my wife know about it, she would not have stood for it, so I had to secretly cover bills with it, etc. It was hard to pull over on not only them, but her. That was a lot of money to me then.
It drove me crazy for a long time. After a couple years of this rotting away at my conscience, I vowed I would figure out a way to someday pay it back. The worst part was telling my wife what I had to do. Eight years after it actually happened I had finally saved up the money and an additional 10% interest. I wrote the check with a letter explaining what I'd done and asking them to forgive me. I knew full well that I could get a visit from the Sheriff with a warrant any day. But I was willing to do whatever it took to clear my conscinece. They sent me a letter thanking me and stated that they would not press charges.
I can tell you that I was a changed man that day. No amount of money can replace the value of my personal integrity. Even if it means handing back an extra dollar or ten when the wrong change is given me. One time it even meant driving ten miles back to a gas station to return money when I was given too much change, but my kids were in the car and I did it for them as much as for me. I thank God I was raised in an environment where right and wrong were clearly defined and I was instilled with a strong desire to do right.
RISOR39
02-14-2001, 01:57 PM
CLEAR CONSCIENCE THIS COUNTRY WOULD BE A LOT BETTER OFF WITH MORE PEOPLE LIKE YOU.THE POSTS THAT WOULD KEEP THE MONEY ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT SAY WE DONT CARE WHAT CLINTON DID AS LONG AS THE ECONOMY IS GOOD.STEALING IS TAKING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT YOURS.PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
MIfish
02-15-2001, 05:12 AM
Not me pal. I'm a happy guy, yesterday, today and tomorrow. Thanks for the analysis though I'm glad I didn't have to pay you 200 bucks an hour for your thoughful ideas.
sdwalleye710
02-16-2001, 06:56 PM
Eyefish,
I think I can answer your question. It is an educated guess but this might change your mind. On its face, it does seem objectionable but,
The reason for FBI involvement/interrogation is likely two fold.
1. The money is federally insured and protected by a myriad of federal regulations. ergo - federal jurisdiction.
2. I imagine that the FBI was checking to see if the money really was "accidently lost".
I really doubt he was interrogated as a thief and would surmise that the crew of the transport truck was "interrogated" as well. probably, all bases were being covered. Anything is possible and if there was a witness, many things and minds could have changed in this situation after discovering there was a witness.
This is all an educated guess but in 26 years I have seen many stranger things happen. Nothing worth this kind of coin tho!!!
p.s. I would have returned it too....