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[cisco]

So often at this site I read someone who asserts, "You get what you pay for." Presumably meaning the higher the price the higher the quality. Hogwash. If price were the factor we had all better go out right now and stock up on gasoline while we have such high prices. It must be better gas if it costs more. Do the prices of the new "snagless" weights warrant buying them rather than the old Lindy type slip sinkers? Our is an economy with so many non-market controls (including price fixing) that what you pay for something means almost nothing.

[Chris K]

Well all I have to say is that if I want to pay more for them(Lindy No-Snagg slipsinkers) and I beleive they will work better and help me catch more fish under certain conditions then I will buy them. There are lots of cheaper items on the market from fishing manufacturers that have quality. If people did not think they were worth the dollar to buy they would not be putting their hard earned money into them. I buy higher end rods and reels myself. The cost of the features I want, the reliability of use day after day, and the fact they are backed up by the manufacturers, all help me to I decide what I want. Opinions here also help me to decide. I try to buy the best I can afford at the best price I can get it. I beleive the best equipment I can get does help me catch more fish and I don't have to upgrade later. A carpenter needs the right tools for the job too. If you want a good quality bull nosed plane you will pay for it. I buy Berkley terminal tackle like snaps and swivels because I think they are the best and I do get what I pay for...they have not failed me once but the cheaper made in China swivels have. If you get what you want from a product and are satisfied with it yourself then it is a good investment for you. I am not saying that cheaper equipment is of lesser quality or not backed up by the manufacturer, but I select what I want for features and product design I desire, and I get what I pay for. Chris K

[curt quesnell]

cisco

the old "you get what you pay for" quote is, like
just about everything else you ever hear, not always true...

but in general a reel that you pay 10 dollars for
probably wont perform as well for you or last as
long as a 50 dollar reel.

a 9 dollar fishing rod wont perform as well as
a 50 dollar rod.

in a market where gas costs 1.50 a gallon would
you dare put 95 cent a gallon gas in your expensive truck or boat?

curt

[Juls_WI]

If you can buy two Rattlin No Snag sinkers at 5.49 and better your chances of not losing them... they will pay for themselves in the long run. No slip sinkers will snag and you end up buying more and more. The No Snag sinkers when used properly (preferrably at a 45 degree angle) will have a 99 percent chance of NOT snagging and ending up at the bottom of the lake or river. Thus lowering the cost of replacement. I see value in that. I will pay the higher price for a product like this. Besides the darn things work!!

Just my humble opinion..:7

Juls

[Big D]

Price may not really be the issue. Value from what you purchase is the issue. If you feel that the value of what you purchase will achieve the goals that you set out to meet then, by all means, purchase the product that you want. I believe that you may be able to find a good value at a low price.

Good LUCK.

[Renegade]

There is plenty of merit in the saying "you get what you pay for" but there are also many situations that prove that you can get the same quality product for less money. I along with many other people out there find products everyday that prove this. I find many of these products are made by companies that are trying to compete with the big established companies out there. My handle "Renegade" was chosen for the simple reason that I found a company out there that offered such quality products for prices that are significantly lower. I buy my jigs and have also bought a few graphite rods made by Renegade, which are sold at Wal-mart. I also bought 4 linecounter reels last spring that are made by south bend for $55 each. This year I seen them in Cabela's with the Cabela's name on them for $80. I have also seen and heard many situations where big name companies rely on their reputation while there product quality takes a dip. "you get what you pay for" is often uttered by people that put their faith in the almighty dollar, despite the reality that it's not always true. You'll also see some real quality gear out there that is nothing more than down home ingenuity. Money can't buy everything.

[DR.LUND]

The age old question,I dont think im going to get involved in this one,but......if your going to get the latest and greatest things on the market more power to ya, not that they dont work but im going to be a little pissed when i loose two at $5.00..... when i can loose 15 times that on bell sinkers on a three way rig,this method works very well.......... GOOD FISHIN,DR.LUND

[Juls_WI]

Good point, but I don't think I want to spend my time on the water putting all those new sinkers on, because I keep losing them. No Snag is just that...no snags, no time spent re-tying...just fishing! ;-)

Juls

[leadhead]

Snagless, yeah right,save your money,buy the regular sinkers,I've got about twenty dollars worth of those so called snagless sinkers below lock and dam #9

[leadhead]

Snagless, yeah right,save your money,buy
the regular sinkers,I've got about twenty
dollars worth of those so called snagless
sinkers below lock and dam #9

[Crazy Canuck]

Like Dr. Lund I wasn't going to get into it...

In Canada a pack of two No-Snaggs is 8$!Plus tax!.
I think Lindy could build a sinker that does the same thing much cheaper (less slick looking).

Have heard the 45 degree angle several times (valid point). However, If you fish a regular Lindy slip sinker at 45 degrees, or less, it will reduce your snags with them too.

Just modify the regular slip sinker so the the line pulls out and you only have to change the sinker and not the whole rig if you do snag. Takes seconds to replace.

I'm sure the No- Snaggs have their place, but it's just not in my tackle box at that price.

[GRUMBLER]

I TO HAVE HEARD OF THE 45 DEGREE ANGLE FOR THE SINKERS, HOWEVER AT THAT ANGLE I AM TROLLING TO FAST TO MAINTAIN GOOD BOTTOM CONTACT.THERFORE WASTING A LOT OF TIME FISHNG IN OPEN WATERS NOT WHERE THE FISH ARE!

[River_eye]

It's not always the case, but in many instances, especially fishing, it is. That's not to say that the most expensive equipment will always work better for you.

I've used that comment when talking about fishing line, and I believe that it's true. Some guys may like mono better, some guys like superlines better. Although the superlines are obviously more expensive, and you can tell where all the extra money is going, they are not always "better"

So, in all truth, you do get what you pay for, it's just not necessarily worth it, depending on your own preferences.

River eye

[larry g]

Snagless sinkers? if they are so snagless, why do they sell them two at a time. Snagless sinkers are an oxymoron, like jumbo shrimp, or military intelligence. All sinkers are snagless till you get into rip rap or fallen timber.Are you getting yourmoneys worth is probably another thing to ask yourself.Like why are you going to spend 5 hundred bucks for a spinning reel, and use it for bottom bouncing, or jig fishing.Where do the extra ball bearings and smooth reeling start to show the difference? Think about what you are going to use your tackle for, and then decide how you are going to spend your money.For example, how good is a high priced graphite rod, and 500 dollar reel, if you dont anticipate using it for what it was intended.But its your money.But when it comes to fishing tackle, it seems all reason goes out the window.Its one jerk waiting for another the jerk , on the end of a fine line.

[Wall-nut]

In today's market, people who don't take the time or bother to actually SHOP (compare features, craftsmanship, etc.) tend to opt for the product that costs the most. The logic here, of course, is that "if it costs more, it must be better." Not so. If you know how you're going to use the product, what type of use (abuse?) you'll require of it, then balance that out with cost, you are SHOPPING! Naturally, this is an art and not a science, so there is no precise way to predict whether or not you'll get your money's worth. That is where a forum, such as this message board comes in. Testimony from those who have used the product should help determine if you're spending your money wisely. My suggestion: As new products reach the market, let those of us who buy them give them a good workout and share our findings with others. That, after all, is what being a good sportsman and sportswoman is all about.

[cisco]

Look how few actually replied to the "you get what you pay for" cliche. If price = quality, then the Lund ProV at one dealer $1500 more than at another dealer is the better "value." You going to buy that? In our economy price is a joke and it could get much worse -- Where is the competition now between Berkeley (et al) and their newest acquisition JWA? Berkeley has been a great company, but I fear the increasing consolidation will squeeze us even more. Someone recently was asking about a new invention. The sad truth is he will have to practically give it away to a giant corp, no matter how good the idea. These concerns are what prompted my post about getting what "you pay for." You pay prices fixed beyond the control of us, the consumers.

[Hans]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-11-00 AT 10:33AM (CST)[p]I am in a manufacturing business (not fishing related) which sells equipment to the telecommunications industry.

While it is generally true that "better" equipment costs more money to build, and everyone always wants the best they can get, there is a fine line we need to walk which goes something like "how much quality is the customer willing to pay for". If we build it TOO good, we might not be able to sell it!

We all have a mental model of what a product ought to cost. Often we also are willing to pay some premium for an exceptionally good version of that product. Finally, we also have an idea of the price point at which we would not buy the product, no matter how good it is.

The Lindy 'snagless' sinkers may be an example of that effect. I don't doubt that they are 'better' than conventional sinkers, but I'm simply not willing to pay $2.00 for a sinker, no matter HOW good it is. I'm simply not willing to pay for that much quality.


Hans
--
"There is nothing; absolutely nothing; half so much worth doing,
as simply messing about in boats." :-)

[Joe]

Not that this pertains to sinkers but,someone told me once, if you were going to go ski diving and jump out of a plane, would buy a parachute that cost $100 or the one that cost a $1000.

[ufda]

Hans, I think you're right and would like to add to what you are saying. What's of value to you is important. A Rolex watch is higher quality than a Timex. Do I care if my Timex looses 3 minutes every 365 days? Enough to buy a Rolex? I think not! I am always amazed at how many people buy Porches to drive to work at 35 mph. Are they wrong? NO! Would I do that? NO! That is not where my values are. Would I buy a top of the line boat to fish for walleyes knowing that the differential in the number I catch would cost my about $300 per pound? You betcha! There is another cliche. Different strokes for different folks.
ufda

[aar7]

I've never agreed with the adage "you get what you pay for". I do, however, believe that "you don't get what you don't pay for". Think about it a moment and I think that you will agree.