Fishing not politics!

[Weyes1]

Ding, ding, ding! In the blue corner victorious in their last
battle we have the Republicans, and in the red corner we we have the Democrats. We are here at Walleye Central to battle it out for masters of the discussion board. The republicans out number the democrats from what we have gathered in our latest poll. The
republicans infamous for their hard nosed tactics and bashing on the message boards are doing battle against the liberal, anti hunting, anti fishing, tree hugging democrats.

Let's get ready to Rrruuuummmble!

Round One: We have a post! the democrat posts something on the
message board. 1, 2, 3, 4 straight punches from the republicans.
The democrat is down and out for the count.

Come on guys. This politics crap has no place on the message
board. Especially the bashing. Republicans are NOT the only
sportsmen in the U.S. This is why I personally have no Political
Preference. I vote for the person that I feel will best do the job for our country. My candidate lost to GW in the primaries, Yes, McCain was a Republican and I would have voted for him against Al Gore. Granted, this last election we had bottom of the barrel pickings for candidates.

Here's what I want everyone to do. Let's stop the bashing for the rest of 2001. Come January of 2002, if the country isn't running as strong as it was in 1999 then we can have a free for all. In the mean time, keep an open mind and watch what happens, environmentally and economically. I realize that it will be hard for some people who are narrow minded and politically blinded. But try any way.

Let's give both sides time to really screw up or fix what ever is
wrong with our broken and shattered morals of a country.

I would also like to apologize to Scott for posting this as it
really isn't fishing related.

I would also like to add that my profile is posted. Please don't
post any bashing replies to this post. Email them to me personally.

Weyes1
Kevin Clark

[ScottL]

Let's leave our political lines at the public access, and pick up our fishing lines, here we all belong to the same party "SPORTSMAN"

[Jim O]

I am of the opinion that we do not have to respond to anything, on any board unless we think we can add to the discusion. Sometimes the addition is fact, sometimes humor.
That said, we as sportman must be aware of politics, even though most of us find the whole process distastfull. If we do not make our voices heard, we will lost in the din of those who would take away our rights and deny us the use of resources we take for granted. Yeh, sometimes we might have to put up with windbags and false information. If so, either ignore or correct and move on. Remember, no one has to respond. Lack of response usually will encourage the unwelcomed to move on. I understand your frustration, but we can't be blind to realities.
IMHO
Jim Ordway

[FlyBoy]

I don't think a good way to start a "Lets not talk about politics" thread is a post a page long, then ask everyone not to reply publicly.

I agree, we should concentrate on fishing/outdoor activities. But a good part of concentration on fishing/outdoor activities has to be politically related. Sorry, that's the facts. If we stick our heads in the sand and pretend it isn't so, we might wake up in a whole new world. I won't argue that Walleye Central isn't "Politics central" but I also didn't start this thread.

If I wasn't concerned, I wouldn't reply. I must be concerned.


John Walton
John@Laser27.com

[jerry]

Sorry Kevin but I don't agree. I find mtself to be neither a Republican or Democrat. But if I read some of the garbage that has come out of the mouths of the bitter liberals who like to stir trouble on these boards, I'm ##### well going to respond, if I choose. It is a shame that we can't all just get along, I agree. But we all just can't agree to disagree either. The solution: I don't have one. Wish I did. Could probably hit the speaking tour and retire if there was a solution.

[Frank from TBay]

Politics and fishing are joined at the hip. I think that its a good thing that items of interest be discussed in a board such as WC. We learned a long time ago here in NW Ontario that you cannot leave your fishing interests to politicians or the OMNR. You have to get involved and to get involved you have to know about it. Fishing clubs are a good start or any group that has an active interest in your area. There are many groups out there that would have no more hunters, guns, fisherman ect. Get involved and keep your sport alive. You will also make some good friends who share your same interests. I for one love reading the posts that are politically aligned here. Keep them coming.
Good fishing: Frank

[Craig]

I am a Democrat. I own a two-stroke outboard. I am a fisherman. I am a gun owner. I have hunted, but don't anymore, haven't got the time between teaching and coaching my runners. I never lost a second's sleep over Al Gore, and although I thought Bill Clinton did a very good job as President, if he moved next door to me I'd give my house to my worst enemy. I have a pretty daughter.

The last time I hugged a tree was in Viet Nam when someone was shooting at me. I'd bet we've all hugged a ##### of a lot worse. I think trees are beautiful, but you'll have to excuse me if I don't hug them and just sit under one and drink a cold brew.

Don't make the mistake of disliking people because of their political beliefs. I have a friend who teaches and coaches at the same school I do. We got very angry with each other on a Friday at lunch time because our political beliefs were vastly different. He's a conservative Republican. But he's also a great guy, a fine teacher, and a superb role model for the young men on our baseball team. That is what really counts.

Next election, we'll argue some more and cancel each other's votes out. But we'll still be friends.

[Weyes1]

LAST EDITED ON Feb-15-01 AT 09:56PM (CST)[p]The Democratic slur that I posted was done so sarcasticly. I voted for Al Gore, just for the simple fact that I didn't really like GW or the Bush name as a whole. It's just the bashing that gets tire some. Unfortunately that's all some people can do from the safety of a computer keyboard.
I visit walleye central and try to go down each post to pick up tips or offer some advice. Unfortunately when some of the posts are made certain individuals make sure to include political proporganda in with their reply. This in a whole gets tiresome.
I didn't want to tick anyone off.
You know, I didn't receive one private email on this topic. Goes to show that some people would rather polute a message board than talk one to one. I think it's because they can't express their beliefs on others.
Just waiting for soft water!
Weyes1
Kevin Clark

[Someday]

You would have to post yur e-mail address for anyone to respond to you.

[Weyes1]

See that little icon after Weyes1? It's either a square box or a person's head. You click on that and it will bring up your email to send an email.
I post all my post as a registered user. I don't hide behind alias names like a bunch of bashing cowards do.


Weyes1
Kevin Clark
weyes1@wamego.net

[Kevin B]

Just curious. Are there any websites that focus on politics/fishing or politics/hunting?

[Scott Richardson]

Politics and fishing are indeed joined at the hip. The Clean Water Act was passed by Congress and signed by a Republican. Theodore Roosevelt set aside more land for posterity than any others, including many streams. He also was a Republican. We are indebted to a Democrat, Clinton, for preventing the Clean Water Act from being recalled. Sportsmen asked politicans to pass laws in the 30s to tax ourselves on equipment and tackle. The money is used for stocking efforts. Our organizations lobby for increased stocking, for clean water, for fish barriers on dams,to remove dams, and a myriad of other issues. Issues like conservation reserve programs impact hunters and fishermen. If we don't take marginal land out of production, the silt ends up in the rivers. The Gulf at New Orleans is dead because of fertilizer runoff from the Midwest that screws up fishing in the Illinois River, the Mississippi, the Missouri and others. Just ask anyone who fishes them regularly. The American Sportfishing Association is involved in lobbying on a national scale.

The days sportsmen can be uninvolved and uninformed are long gone. So, please, anyone who has an issue they think I should know about, please post it. Be part of the solution.

Scott Richardson
srichard@davesworld.net

[hooked]

Weyes 1 , If the country isn't running good by 2002 then some of you will understand the mess that CLINTLER got us into.

[Weyes1]

Well,
Other than the scandal against Clintler, the country was going the strongest it has ever been. Of course you're going to say that the republicans had everything to do with it. Open your eyes. When did the country start going into recession? When GW got the GOP nomination and Gore got the Democratic nomination. Like I said, Bottom of the barrel candidates, poor consumer confidence, and inflated gas and oil prices.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that.

Weyes1
Kevin Clark
weyes1@wamego.net

[jerry]

Kevin, for a guy who says get rid of the political posts and wants us all to get along, you just opened up a large can of worms. Blaming the candidates of the last election for the economic problems of today is hilarious. that's as funny as Al Gore and Bill Clinton taking credit for developing and/or implementing the internet and the new technology.

[FlyBoy]

They didn't develop the internet, they invented it.

-John

[Fordnut]

Or get shot, americans love controversy. There are no right answers any more.

[IaCraig]

Weyes,
In this post you have been both a devils advocate and a hypocrite. You say leave politics behind, then you try to stir the coals by bashing GWB & and stating how Republicans are bashing Democrats posts on WC. You may be registered as an independent on your voters card but your posts indicate otherwise. I think the "W" in Weyes stands for Washington and the EYES stands for spy.

You my man seem to be ignorant of your own ignorances, as well as your own prejudices. Go "SPY" somewhere else.

IaCraig

[Seen it before...]

Don't let the "Independant" label fool you. He is as liberal as they come.

[I know what you mean!]

"certain individuals make sure to include political propaganda in with their reply". If that ain't the pot calling the kettle black! You have lost all political credibility with this thread. I have never seen a bigger hypocrit!

[yeah-but can this be true]

Subject: Clinton's Friends

I thought you would like this...if you haven't seen it already. I found it very interesting.

Subject: -Friends of Bill

James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.

Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she
was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

Vince Foster - Former white House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled
a suicide.

Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation
reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

C. Victor Raiser II - & - Montgomery Raiser, Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor."

Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly
threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

Kathy Ferguson, ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a codefendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the gravesite of his fiancee.

Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

Florence Martin - Accountant & subcontractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.

Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.

Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington, DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993 He was investigating the Morgan Guarantee scandal.

Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the department of Commerce.

Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash.

Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.

Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, Death was no accident.

Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.

Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guarantee. His death was purported suicide and his report was never released.

Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES / HENRY CASE:

Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, July 1988.

Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988.

Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to "natural causes".

Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a setup robbery July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
Major William S. Barkley, Jr.
Captain Scott J. Reynolds
Sgt. Brian Hanley
Sgt. Tim Sabel
Major General William Robertson
Col. William Densberger
Col. Robert Kelly
Spec. Gary Rhodes
Steve Willis
Robert Williams
Conway LeBleu
Todd McKeehan

Quite an impressive list! (Over 48 people gone) Pass this on. . . Let the public become aware of what happens to friends of the Clinton's!!