Cdn. gun registration for American hunters

[River_eye]

I'm a Manitoba resident and I just read in my morning paper that as a new part of the Canadian gun control act, they are requiring all american hunters coming up here to register their guns and pay $50 ($35 US).

I don't think many people will be happy about this, including both american hunters and canadian outfitters. They also say that some hunting trips have already been cancelled by customers upon hearing about this new law.


River eye

[AquaMan]

LAST EDITED ON Mar-05-01 AT 03:28PM (CST)[p]Thanks for the heads up. Having hunted in Sask before and going again soon, I am aware, as are most hunters, that the new registration is required. All hunters that have been to Canada over the last few years were directed to the new registration laws from the website and in the mail. It may prohibit a few but not many since the hunting is so great. I think part of the reason for the fee is to reduce the amount of guns that flow into Canada from the US and stay. In the past all you had to do was produce a US Customs Certificate and that was only if asked. Some hunters would trade hunts for guns. This created a supply of unregistered guns. Now every gun that enters MUST return.

No big deal to me, but I know a few people will be up in arms just because they feel it is another form of too much government. To them I say, go hunt somewhere else, eh? :-)



AquaMan~~~~~~~~~~~~~

.·´¯° --- "It all begins and ends at the water's edge"

[Phil T.]

The bad part isn't the requirement that you bring your guns back with you, or the $50 fee. The bad part is that the Canadians will notify our State Department that an American known as___ has crossed international borders with a firearm. Whoopee! Now you're in a database with real international terrorists.
The only other country that bought in to this idea was Norway.
Ain't bureaucracy wonderful?

[chrism]

Hey Aquaman -
What and where do you hunt in Sask?
That was my sport before I was transplanted a couple of hundred miles east... I sure miss it!
cm

[Jersey John]

I am going to Alberta in Nov. of 2002. Is this law in effect in all of Canada? I am planning on bring 2 guns for this hunt and do you have to pay $ 50.00 for each or $ 50.00 for both. By the way it is a combo Mule deer & Whitetail hunt. Thanks to all who answer. JJ

[HuntCAN]

It took 80 years of centralized power from one city (Moscow) and socializing the rest of the country in the former USSR to finally admit failure. You'd think that would prevent modern cutures from repeating the same mistake. Canada sadly appears to be headed that direction. Unarming the people is the first step. I hope it doesn't take 80 years to correct..

[Absolutely Brilliant Point!!]

Right on the money Huny Can. However, you remember all the stupid a$$es that said, "Well they only want us to register our guns, that's not too bad." Then the govt increased their demands, and we here in the US warned, "Wwatch out, confiscation and more tyranny are next!", and the bulk of our friends up in the Great White North said, "Oh no. That can't happen here, eh?" Well, wrong! Crustiev (sp) said they'd bury us, and if the cant happen to me attitude continues to exist, they will bury us all, without firing a shot!!

[T.J.]

All hunters entering Canada are required to fill out a non-resident
firearms declaration form.
The cost is $50 Canadian funds and is good for 60 days.
To speed up the process the forms should be completed in advance, with
the exception of your signature, which has to be witnessed by a Custom's
Officer.

[hunter]

Remember, they can give this list to US Gvmt. all those numbers. It will be like registering your guns with them too. Needs to be a rule where they won't do that. Still easier to take a gun to Canada than the UK. That is a nightmare. Several other countries have tougher laws. It is the tip of the iceberg.

[THUMPER]

We never have to worry about complete disarming. Our major population base is all within a 100 miles of the US border. You guys are armed to the teath with assault rifles and what have you. All we have to do is drive on over and buy whatever we need.
Heaven forbid if the USA ever did something about the proliferation of guns and your extremely violent nature.......Clean up your own backyard first before you offer your neighbours any advice. Nothing is perfect but here there are about two million guns. Thats about one gun for every 15 people. We live in a democracy and the people wish to see registration. So be it. Complete confiscation.....too many rural people. If you do not like our rules....STAY HOME.

[River_eye]

They said that for the $50 fee you could bring three guns.

River eye

[Buckeye]

Thumper wake up bud!

[HuntCAN]

After reading thumper's post they already are saying that. He may have to rethink the 'drive across the border and get them from us violent Americans' idea. Why didn't the Russians just do that? Not because it was a democracy that's for sure.

[James Morris]

Define assault rifle. Once you've done that, explain to me how they are any more dangerous than any other weapon in the right (wrong) hands. Now, go find some evidence that supports the generalization that we're all armed to the teeth over here.

Now, think about the irony of legislating to try and keep criminals (those who break the laws) from misusing firearms. If we make a law that mandates turning in firearms, who is more likely to comply, a criminal or a law abiding firearm owner? By doing this, all the govt. would do is skew the proportion of gun ownership in favor of the people who are already breaking the law.

By supporting the actions of your govt. you are supporting the registration and perhaps eventually attempted confiscation of firearms from law abiding US citizens and that is what some of the posters on this forum disagree with. If you don't like guns, don't buy them but at the same time don't try to take away my ability to choose to own one.

Just my opinion here,

James

[Phil T.]

So claims a commonwealth subject, not a citizen of an independant country.

[Mike]

James, you hit the nail on the head, well put.

I guess I can reluctantly add hunting in Canada to the list of things I'll never do because of the invasive regulations.

Thank You!
Mike

[THUMPER]

Ouch.....That one hurt. Define commonwealth subject oh free one.

[Mike]

Too bad the Canadian government keeps heaping these socialist laws upon it's citizens. Canada is a great country, think how much better it could be without these continual assults on everyone's personal freedom.

This is yet another example of why we must continue diligently oppose these types of attacks on our personal freedom here south of the border.

Over & Out
Mike

[Fishermanartur]

In Northern Ireland only Army and Police can own guns all others are registered to political elite and others are band. ASK YOUR SELF DO YOU WHAT TO LIVE IN THAT DEMOCRACY!!!!!

-o{Fisherman

[Fishermanartur]

In Northern Ireland only Army and Police can own guns all others are registered to political elite and others are band. ASK YOUR SELF DO YOU WHAT TO LIVE IN THAT DEMOCRACY!!!!!
-o{Fisherman

[River_eye]

Dude, I just wanted to sportsmen/women know of some current info that affects them, and possibly have a mild mannered discussion about it.

Please don't turn this in to an all out shouting match between canadians and americans. I don't want to have my name at the top of it if that's the case.

River eye

[River_eye]

Why would you say that we are not an independant country? The commonwealth still exists, but just for token value. Time to brush up on your world issues.

River eye

[Pitts]

Yea just don't mention you had a DWI when you were a kid and now your 45 years old and they want 200 more dollars even though they never checked any records to see if you were telling the truth or not. I don't think I'll be going there anytime soon.

Pitts

[THUMPER]

Canadians going to the USA get grilled the same way. Border guards are doing their job trying to keep criminals and low lifes out of their country. A previous conviction for smoking pot in Canada bars you from entry into your country. Even if it was 20 years ago. But before they send you home they search your vehicle and if they find a roach or whatever even if you did not put it there they can take your vehicle and sell it. I also am in no hurry to visit your country.

[wawalleye]

I have and will continue to do so. You read way too many socialistic newspapers. Try reading a paper from a sister country called Australia if you are naive enough to believe they won't take your weapons. The last time I checked there were huge tracks of lands called the outback there. I think that is considered "rural". Please note, when you read the latest statistics, that crime has risen dramatically in Australia since the inception of gun removal.
It is interesting to notice that you (and your fellow cronies in governmen) are excited to stop the proliferation of violent "americans" from running guns over the border. Especially those dastardly duck, goose and deer hunters. I've been frightened for years that caribou, moose, and sheep hunters would arm the inuit and northern indigenous tribes with sporting rifles and those peoples would take over your government.
I wish as one of those "violent americans", as you so aptly put it, you would be more concerned with the flow of drugs across the border from Canada to here. Which has, incidentaly, proliferated since the inception of your gun control acts.
Sorry to the rest of the WC readers for such a long post. But this kind of thinking really pi$$e$ me off

wawa

[AquaMan]

Wynyard, at the south end of Big Quill. It was, without a doubt, one of the best trips I have ever done. The people in that area treated me like family and went out of their way to accomodate. It gets my lifetime 5 stars!

AquaMan~~~~~~~~~~~~~

.·´¯° --- "It all begins and ends at the water's edge"

[AquaMan]

You were listed in that "database" the moment you purchased the gun in the first place. Settle down! Spring will be here soon.

What is with all this super sensitive panic? End Times or what?

AquaMan~~~~~~~~~~~~~

.·´¯° --- "It all begins and ends at the water's edge"

[Terminex man]

Confiscate a vehicle for finding a roach?? Why not just fumigate the vehicle? :-)

[Bear]

For the record most guns are not in any database because up until a couple of years ago you weren't required to have any record of your purchases while buying a firearm with the exception of a handgun. This a big deal in Canada because this is how they are going to ban all firearms in Canada. They will have a record of the guns and when the people pass away the weapons will be confiscated. Or probably sooner they will just be banned such as Australia. It is all pushed by the tree huggin animail luvers in the big cities of the eastern providances. It is not right!

Sorry I travel to Canada a couple of times a year to hunt geese and luv my hunting heritage so it is a sore subject with me.

Thanks,

Bear

[RD]

What are the rules if you want to bring a Shotgun or rifle across the border for a remote fihing trip where bears can be a problem.

[AquaMan]

In 1979 I purchased a shotgun and it was registered then as it is now. I think you are mixing up the waiting period for permission (NICS Check) to purchase hand guns and other firearms. All firearms have been registered for 30+ years, now you have to get permission first. Right?

AquaMan~~~~~~~~~~~~~

.·´¯° --- "It all begins and ends at the water's edge"

[JasonMN]

Thumper,

You can't come visit because all your money is in the governments hands via super high income tax rates (50+%), sales/GST (14%) tax rates, gas/liquor/tabacco tax rates...etc etc. Also with the current value of the Canadian $ the exchange rate will kill ya. I am a Canadian citizen (but have lived in the US 16 years) and proud of it, i just wouldn't want to live there. :) The hunting and fishing in Canada is fantastic and the people even better...now if they could just do something about that economy and socialism BS.

God bless America...and Canada too.

JasonMN

[JasonMN]

RD,

You will probably have to bring bear spray instead.

[CRN]

Not probably......you will have to bring bear spray. There is no open season for bears in the summer. There is also no open hunting season of any type to warrant having a gun in the bush. Protection against bears is not an excuse to have a gun in the bush.

[Box]

Just don't bring that dastardly pepper spray or you WILL go to jail. You know, that stuff that little old ladies hang on their key chains?

:) no kidding...

Box
MN

[Traveler]

What is this you say about DWI's? I am just curious because I have one from years ago. Last summer I was allowed a remote area border crossing pass and I told them I had one. I was also allowed to work in the country for awhile. Is this a new rule?

[Firetiger]

Gosh Jason, the United Nations released a report last year rating countries on various issues like disposable income, social benefits, education and the like. This report stated that the overall standard of living in Canada is rated higher than in the U.S. ........... I wonder how that happened?

[Bear]

I understand the waiting period that is in effect. All guns are registered somewhere but my name has never been registered along with that gun. Until now.

Thanks,

Bear

[Al]

"Armed to the teeth with assault weapons" ? Where do you get your information? Assault weapons is/was a bogus ploy to scare people. Automatic weapons have been outlawed for years. Our politicians who pushed the assault weapon ban couldn't even define one. For your information, on the original draft, Benelli Super Black Eagle 12 gauge shotguns were listed. The same model BJ Clinton used on his "duck hunting trip" back home in Arkansas.

And for the record, I don't know what you call armed to the teeth, but "Assault" weapons were the weapon of choice in only ,8% of gun crimes. Those are FBI numbers. That's 8/10th's of one percent.

One more thing. There should be something that requires the destroying of the records once they reach the US. That was the supposed plan of the US Brady law. Records could not be kept as registration. To this day, in Ohio, we've not been given a clear answer on what is done with the applications after they have been apporved by BCI (contracting background checks). I've written all of our US Congressmen and get nothing but skirting the issue answers. It is BS>

[Grampa_Joe]

Aquaman,
I think only Minnesota had the registration that far back.

-Joe

[JasonMN]

If this is true the U.N. better take a look at their rating methods because that simply is not the case. I have experienced both first hand. Also I have had many friends from Canada move here to the US in the last 3-4 years that would back me up on this. They make more US $'s than they did CDN $'s and are taxed at a much lower rate. They love the health care. I could go on and on.

I should note that we are all from Winnipeg which may not be an accurate comparison to the rest of Canada.

Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.

[twogun]

That's good for firearms that were bought in the past 10 yrs. or so. When hunting outside of the US it is best to use a gun provided by the outfitter. When I go to Ontario hunting, the bourder guards only ask if you have any handguns.

[AquaMan]

Nope. I bought that gun in MO in 1979 and had to fill out the federal registration then. NY has had registration since I the 60's because my dad has 3 rifles that are registered there with the old documents he signed.

I think you are all mixing up registration with NICS check or some other form of paperwork. But then maybe I am. However, I have my copy of the form I filed in 1979 and it is a FEDERAL FIREARMS REGISTRATION FORM. I bought the shotgun from Wal-Mart.

Either way, your guns are registerd with your state or the feds and have been so for over 40+ years. So ease up a little on the panic over registration.

AquaMan~~~~~~~~~~~~~

.·´¯° --- "It all begins and ends at the water's edge"

[Al]

And the UN doesn't have a need to post it any other way right? The UN is well known for pushing worldwide social agendas, and coming up with a system that puts the Canadian Socialist Provinces above the US is just one way they want to try and say "we told you so". The UN is also for total handgun confiscation, some bogus standards in schools and other socialist ilk.

I find it odd that of the 20+ families I've been friends with, from Canada, over the last 30 years, all but a few have traveled to the US in the last few years for medical treatment. Seems that the great society in Ontario had a long line. Ontario folks that I know, blue colar (many tool and die makers), mostly, are taxed to death. They struggle at every turn, and hunting and fishing is many times more angst than fun because of fuel costs. Most of these folks make the same range of money that I (and my friends) do in the US. We aren't rich, but we aren't on the jagged edge like these folks. That GST tax is the most bogus thing you ever let get passed. For such high quality of living, why is your government broke, your economy in shambles (lower Ontario anyway), your money worth nothing (okay 65cents), most stretches of rural roads unpaved, 401 is a dump. Maybe the UN was only looking at the Hunting and Fishing?

[THUMPER]

You are right Al we are in dire straits in Canada. We need that good old American know how to fix it. Tool and Die workers struggling? Economy in a shambles........Lower Ontario..Wow..I must have missed all that on my last trip to Toronto. Oh..Thats the capital of lower Ontario. Billions of our worthless dollars being spent on upgrades to our airports...building boom in lower Ontario....... ..full construction employment.I think you must be talking about the states that have rolling blackouts and all those poor folks living in boxes. I have not seen that in Ontario. What we do see is bus loads of your seniors buying prescription drugs here because your country sees no need to adequitely look after your seniors. They are a lot cheaper here. They either buy them here or do without. Al your country is far from perfect.......ours is not perfect either.

[Queen Elizabeth]

Ahhh yes. Social medicine works! If costs go up we can always tax our subjects more. Why not? Before long we'll know where every gun in the country is making it possible to collect them in few days time like Australia. Then what are they going to do? Revolt using hockey sticks and curling stones?

[River_eye]

Jason, it all depends on how you measure your standard of living. If clean air, water and loads of open natural areas mean nothing to you, of course you are going to pick the US. The US is well known to be more of a consumer culture, measuring their well being by what they own, the money in their pocket and stuff like that. Canada has more social well being.

BTW, I live in winnipeg. I can drive for 1:45 min to my cottage on the winnipeg river and be in total wilderness. Americans pay $800 US to fish for 4 days at a nearby resort, I pay around $40. My cottage and lot which costs around $80 000, would be about $200 000 US anywhere in your great country.

River eye

[Revolt Eh!]

Sounds like a good time. A revolt with curling rocks and hockey sticks. Can we dress up and bring beer? I forgot to ask....What are we revolting against? Living in the greatest country in the world?(As opposed to the most powerfull and I may add the most arrogant) Whatever you do, don't invite the yanks.....they may bring their guns and knives and their spindoctors.

[Al]

I never said the US was perfect, but I get a bit tired of smug Canadians thinking they've got it whipped with big brother carrying them and we don't. If you'd look into the Windsor area, they are laying off big time in the Ford plant. The supporting TandD guys at the nearby businesses are feeling it too. I know a guy who works from the Carpenters hall and he's had scarce work for the last two years, after being very busy for the previous 3-4.

As for rolling blackouts, when you have about the ant sized comparison of population , what do you expect? You've certainly not had the booming economy, especially the high energy consumers like SemiCon and BioTech/High Tech...which are prevelant in CA (the Blackouts you mention).

We did a comparison between my home and friends home in Hamilton. Nearly the same square footage, same type neighborhood etc. The price/value of the home near Sarnia (in Canadian) was nearly double what mine is(US Dollars). Even with the exchange, there was quite a bit of difference.

But, it is all for naught, because you've been fed the queensland mantra long enough you believe it.

[Al]

I never said the US was perfect, but I get a bit tired of smug Canadians thinking they've got it whipped with big brother carrying them and we don't. If you'd look into the Windsor area, they are laying off big time in the Ford plant. The supporting TandD guys at the nearby businesses are feeling it too. I know a guy who works from the Carpenters hall and he's had scarce work for the last two years, after being very busy for the previous 3-4.

As for rolling blackouts, when you have about the ant sized comparison of population , what do you expect? You've certainly not had the booming economy, especially the high energy consumers like SemiCon and BioTech/High Tech...which are prevelant in CA (the Blackouts you mention).

We did a comparison between my home and friends home in Hamilton. Nearly the same square footage, same type neighborhood etc. The price/value of the home near Sarnia (in Canadian) was nearly double what mine is(US Dollars). Even with the exchange, there was quite a bit of difference.

But, it is all for naught, because you've been fed the queensland mantra long enough you believe it.

[JasonMN]

I guess we all have strong opinions and are proud of the countries in which we live...I guess we should thankful for that!

We will never convince one another to change our own opinion.

Instead of "debating" about which country is better lets talk about something more worthwhile, like all of us meeting up at River Eye's cabin on the Winnipeg River next fall! :)

JasonMN

[Huber]

Good idea!!!! Then we could have a beer drinking contest for bragging rights!

[Buckeye]

Nothing that can't be solved by our good friend...BEER!!

[Frank from TBay]

How about the Americans drink the Canadian beer and the Canadians drink the American beer........That way we'll have dual citizenship.

[gaspergoo]

Not quite right.
The ffl you fill out is kept in the possesion of the dealer from whom you buy your gun. THe ATF is allowed to inspect these records, but are not supposed to leave the premises with them. However if the dealer forfeits his FFL, all of his records are supposed to be turned over to the ATF. (unless, of course there was a fire, or some other tragic event)

[River_eye]

Hey, we've got room! Seperate fridge in the boathouse just for beer. Cast a line off the dock and soak up the sun!

River eye

[Frank from TBay]

We'll keep the beer in their respective corners in the Fridge. We don't want those suds fighting about who tastes better or other silly things.