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AquaMan
03-20-2001, 09:51 AM
Have any of you heard this or did I just fall off the truck???

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At a time when most state agencies are tightening walleye bag limits, one of the nation's premier fisheries has opened its arms to anglers who want to fill their freezers with fish.

Anglers who fish on South Dakota's Lake Oahe this year are allowed to keep 14 walleye a day, as long as some length restrictions are honored. Each fisherman is allowed to possess a three-day limit of 42 walleye.

In an effort to make fishing at Oahe even more attractive, a nonresident angler can purchase a special permit for $20 that is good for the entire year as long as he fishes exclusively on Oahe. If a nonresident wants to fish in other South Dakota waters, he must pay the normal $59 for a nonresident permit. He then would not be required to purchase a special Oahe
permit in order to fish there.

"We want people to come and catch lots of fish," said Wayne Nelson-Stastny, a fisheries biologist for South Dakota Game, Fish and Parks. "Our one-year record harvest is about 500,000 walleye. We'd like to triple that this year."

Oahe's fill-the-freezer message is being heard - and heeded - throughout the Midwest. Tony Dean of Pierre, S.D., delivered the catch-and-keep news on his television show a couple of weeks ago.

"When the people at the Pierre Chamber of Commerce came to work the following Monday," Nelson-Stastny said, "their answering machine was full with 218 messages. They fielded another several hundred calls that day.

"Guide bookings are up, and lodging reservations have increased. If you want to book a guide or make a reservation for a motel or lodge, you might want to do it as soon as possible. People are coming, which is good. We need a walleye harvest right now."

The problem is that Oahe has a near-record number of walleye that are having a tough time grubbing out a living because the smelt population has crashed.


"Our predator-prey balance is out of whack," Nelson-Stastny said. "We're really high on predators now, and our most abundant predator in the lake is the walleye. There are a lot of mouths to feed and not much to feed them with."

In addition to keeping walleye, Nelson-Stastny said anglers are also being encouraged to keep other species they catch. The daily limit is 25 for white bass, five for smallmouth bass and three for northern pike. There is no limit on channel catfish.

Prior to 1997, things were going just fine for Oahe's walleye. They had plenty to eat and the growth rate was good. They grew to an average of 14 inches after three years, and by five years they were 19 inches long.

The smelt population, however, began to skid out of control about that time. The huge reservoir - it is 220 miles long and covers 315,000 acres - contained 44 pounds of rainbow smelt per acre in 1996. By 1999, there were only 2 pounds of smelt per acre.

"Our walleye population, though, scarcely dropped," Nelson-Stastny said. "But because they didn't have much to eat, their growth rate really slowed down. A 3-year-old fish now is only 12 inches. They're not reaching 14 inches until they're 5. It's going to take about 10 years for them to reach
that 19-inch mark.

"The natural mortality hasn't increased substantially yet. But it has become almost a stunted walleye population. We have an awfully lot of 12- to 15-inch walleye that are just making it. They're not thriving. All the signs pointed to the fact that the walleye population was going to go downhill. If we had done nothing, our walleye population eventually would have declined
substantially."

The liberalized limits likely will be in effect for only a year or two and are aimed at reducing the lake's high number of 12- to 15-inch fish. Of the 14 walleye allowed each day, 10 must be under 15 inches. Four can be longer than 15 inches, but only one of them can be 18 inches or longer.

"We're not taking the population down to zero," Nelson-Stastny said. "But we do want it to be reduced, and the catch rates will decrease in a couple of years. There will be considerably fewer walleye then, and the prey fish - primarily smelt - will start to bounce back. The walleye then will have food, and they won't bite as good for fishermen.

"That is two years down the road," the fisheries biologist continued. "When the catch rate decreases, we realize we're going to take it on the chin for reducing the walleye population. But that would have happened anyway because
they wouldn't have had anything to eat. This way we're giving people a chance to harvest walleye that would have died in a few years anyway."

The angler catch rate when the predator-prey relationship was in balance was one walleye every three hours.

"That was the Oahe standard," Nelson-Stastny said. "One walleye every three hours for 1996 and prior. But from 1997 on, anglers are catching a walleye every hour. The catch rate is three times as fast following the crash of the smelt population. The catch rate is incredible right now - and we want people to take advantage of all those hungry fish."
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This sounds too good to be true. Hmmm...sounds like they are going to be very busy out there.

AquaMan~~~~~~~~~~~~~

.·´¯° --- "It all begins and ends at the water's edge"

Dave in Mpls
03-20-2001, 10:02 AM
Yep - 14/day and 42 in possession per angler for $20

I've been trying to figure out when I'm heading west!

Regards

AquaMan
03-20-2001, 10:50 AM
Let's, go man! Give me a call.

AquaMan~~~~~~~~~~~~~

.·´¯° --- "It all begins and ends at the water's edge"

Snowman
03-20-2001, 11:29 AM
Yeah, it is kind of sad, but true. Our group has fished out there for the last 5 years. The last two years we have really noticed the difference in the size and numbers. You will catch them one after the other after the other and they are all the same size. If you go, remember to bring a LOT of minnows as it is not uncommon to catch a hundred per person and you will be doing a lot of sorting to find keepers.

If you need any info or advice on where to go and what to use let me know!

chadk66
03-20-2001, 02:29 PM
It's a great place to bring a kid to catch lots of fish. However a 15" fish will be a whopper. Great fun though and great people there.

froggy
03-20-2001, 02:39 PM
Snowman I am taking you up on advice to lake oahe
camping with a 5th wheel trailer, would like launch site close by
when to start, early april or how much later?
best bait to use at that time of year.
thanks millions in advance.

HUNGRY JACK
03-20-2001, 03:38 PM
THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF FUN,BUT FISH TASTE DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE COUNTRY! I LOVE TO CATCH LOTS OF FISH LIKE IN RED WING BUT YOU WOULDN'T CATCH ME EATING ONE OF THOSE FISH. NOW MY QUESTION IS... SOUTH DAKOTA WATER HAS A HIGH ALKALAI CONTENT SO HOW DO THE FISH TASTE? ALSO LAKE OAHE IS A HUGE BODY OF WATER WHAT ARE SOME GOOD AREAS TO FISH?MY FRIENDS AND I WENT TO MOBRIDGE WHICH IS IN THE TOP OF THE STATE AND ON OAHE AND EVERYBODY THOUGHT WE WERE THERE TO FISH BUT WE WERE THERE TO SHOOT UP THE PRARIE DOGS!!:-) (GREAT TIME ALSO) SO LIKE I SAID IT'S A HUGE BODY OF WATER, SO WHERE IS A GOOD PLACE TO START AND HOW MANY HOURS FROM MPLS. TO PIERE?

Westy
03-20-2001, 03:46 PM
It is true.... It has sparked a tremendous amount of debate here in SD. I fish Oahe a lot and can understand both sides of the fishing argument. Even though the general media representation is that fishing is poor and you will only catch small fish, but lots of them, I don't necessarily agree. If you know where to go, you can find nice fish. However, you may need to release many fish to do so. Actually, the entire Missouri River system in SD is good from Pierre to Ft. Randall. If you are planning to come to the area, e-mail me and I can share some good spots. By the way, I was out on Lake Francis Case below the dam at Ft. Thompson on Saturday and had great fishing. The ice is coming off the river and the bite is good right now. Good Luck.

chadk66
03-20-2001, 04:05 PM
jack,
I believe you can be in Pierre in about 8 hours via interstate. Fish location depends upon the time of year. Mostly points and breaklines in early summer. Flats in mid summer. The fish taste excellent.
chad

Bullfrog
03-20-2001, 04:58 PM
When you hear that a population of fish (smmelt) crashes, it usually occurs for a reason. It would be wise to check with the locals who know that the Corps of Engineers decided to flush the system in the winter a couple years ago, and with it, they sucked about a million adult smelt a day for 2 1/2 months downstream. The smelt winter in the deep water by the bottom-draw near the dam. They lost, and so did one of the best fisheries in the country.

scott
03-20-2001, 06:04 PM
Ive fished Oahe for many years and didnt make the trip last year do to the poor size in 99 as oppossed to the years prior although it was easy to catch many small 12 to 14 inch in 99 the large ones were to few and far between to make the 11 hour drive from milw. worth it.I always fished it the last week in july and the 3rd week in sept.I stayed in pierre at the camp ground below the dam and have nothing but good things to say about the corps of engineers campground.There is a marina right there and a boat launch if the big lake is to rough to fish we would fish below the dam and do great if not some times better ( I hear that the fishing for larger fish is much better now below the dam) on the big lake we always did well at sully and peoria flats also mail shack creek and cow creek . The one year we went in early may we did well at the mouth of the cheyeann (spelled really bad shy-ann).There are many good launches on this water we mostly launch on the east side as far north as cow creek and run north if need be but never had to run more than 20 or 30 miles to find good fish . I hope this helps

RIVERRUNNER
03-20-2001, 06:13 PM
If 15" fish are rare ,would it not make sense to employ a slot limit and lower the minimum by a couple inches.I,m not a N.R. manager but, why so many fish for limits.The 15" and up fish will eat the smaller eyes if they need to and probably have better growth rates.I DON'T KNOW JUST A THOUGHT

Gabby_SD
03-20-2001, 06:25 PM
One thing to really watch is( above the dam {at Pierre} is Lake Oahe and below is Lake Sharpe) so if you purchase a Oahe only permit it could get spendy if caught below the dam .http://www.angelfire.com/sd/guides/ here is a list of some guides in the area.

hungry jack
03-21-2001, 04:52 AM
one gentleman mentioned that they flushed the river recently. well WHY did they flush the res.? i sure dont want to eat polluted fish. i can get that on the mississippi anywhere i go

Backwater Eddy
03-21-2001, 05:11 AM
For first class accommodations at a just finished resort try the Cheyenne Ridge Lodge near Pierre SD.

Mike McClelland founded this operation and it caters to hunters and anglers all year long.

Check out the web site for more detailed info on all the services and prices on rooms and guides. Very nice place!

http://www.cheyenneridge.com/

Backwater Eddy

dlei
03-21-2001, 04:22 PM
Fish Oahe may-be three and sometimes four days a week during summer.Just remember that their are going to be day,s just like on any body of water where your not going to be able to buy a fish. And yes most day,s you will run out of bait before you run out of fish.

Fishing Fanatic
03-22-2001, 12:24 PM
I don't know how slow this Chad man drives, but via the nterstate it is 7 hours max and if you go through Watertown (212) and make only one stop you can do it in 6 and a half, not going much over 5 past the speed limits! Pierre is the most beautiful place to be in the summer, no doubt about it!

M.R.Fish
03-22-2001, 01:11 PM
Sounds like everybodys hungry, what being done to prevent the situation with the smelt being flushed down the river again???
Most of the time the game is harvest & revenue and evevy once in a while it's recreation & conservation.

the're always bitin'

BEWILDERED
03-22-2001, 07:02 PM
I DONT GET IT. WHY DID THEY FLUSH THE SYSTEM? I THOUGHT I READ ONE TIME LAST YEAR THAT OAHE HAD A SMELT EXPLOSION. DID THEY FLUSH IT BECAUSE THERE WERE TOO MANY SMELT? OR DID THEY DO IT BECAUSE OF POLLUTION REASONS?

SDBear
03-22-2001, 07:29 PM
The Corp opened the stilling basin and emergency spillway because of high water levels in the spring of 1997. Because of the high run off and fast melt that spring, the lake rose too quick. I remember because I stayed out there for quite awhile during that time.
When the Corp flushed it, the smelt flushed as well. Too bad. That lake will take a long time to recover.

SDwalleye710
03-22-2001, 10:06 PM
This is a paragraph from the SDGFP newsletter last week. This is how serious they are about reducing the numbers of fish. 15" aren't rare either. My son and I spent 3 days out there last July and never kept anything below 15 and got our so called slot fish both days. We had no trouble filling with quality fish and fished for trophys the 3rd day.

Possession limits can be counted for Lake Oahe and other South Dakota waters separately, but they must be caught within the daily limit provisions. In other words, an angler might fish one day on a lake in the northeastern part of the state and catch a limit of four walleyes. He or she might then take a three-day trip to Lake Oahe and catch a daily limit of 14 walleyes each day. This angler could bring that three-day limit of 42 walleye back to their home and add to the four walleyes already in their freezer. One would then be able to go to a lake in northeastern South Dakota and catch another daily limit of four walleyes. Those four, added to the limit of four walleyes that you had taken earlier on the northeastern lake, would bring the possession limit to eight walleyes. That limit is counted separately from the possession limit of 42 walleyes brought home from Lake Oahe. Following these daily possession rules and fishing a minimum of five days, an angler could conceivably have a possession limit of 50 walleyes in their freezer. However, they would have to fish five days or more to do so.
This came from SDGFP newsletter last week.

kuip
03-23-2001, 06:46 PM
Man it looks to me like these guys have to get real on their prices! $500 a day,who are they trying to kid.