24 military personel being held in china

[sib]

I just wanted to say that my thoughts and prayers are going out to the 24 navy personel and their families. :'( the 24 are being held captive in china right now. it is my hope that they are safely returned to their families soon. i don't ask God for much, but i did ask him to look into this. Please help support these fine people anyway you can!

God Bless America!

"go outside and play"
sib

[Eyecon]

Amen our prayers are with them.

[Hammerhead Herb]

It is also with heavy heart that I still see that our sailors, airmen and marines are being held by the Red Chinese. Having been a Navy veteran for 6 years in the late 60's and having steamed off of N Korea when the N Koreans captured the crew of the Pueblo, I am particulary incensed.
What bothers me more so is that so much of the stuff we buy here in the US is made in Red China. Has anyone noticed how much of our fishing tackle/ electronics/ equipment is made over there? We are actually supporting their purchase and manufacture of weapons to be used against our troops.
I for one do hereby resolve that I will not buy any gear that is made over in Red China. If you see fit to join me, I welcome you --- but more importantly let the fishing tackle manufactures know that is what you intend to do.

[Hoss]

I agree. Just returned a BPS Bionic blade - made in China.

[fisherman247365]

> It
>is also with heavy heart
>that I still see that
>our sailors, airmen and marines
>are being held by the
>Red Chinese. Having been
>a Navy veteran for 6
>years in the late 60's
>and having steamed off of
>N Korea when the N
>Koreans captured the crew of
>the Pueblo, I am particulary
>incensed.
> What
>bothers me more so is
>that so much of the
>stuff we buy here in
>the US is made in
>Red China. Has anyone
>noticed how much of our
>fishing tackle/ electronics/ equipment is
>made over there? We
>are actually supporting their purchase
>and manufacture of weapons to
>be used against our troops.
>
> I
>for one do hereby resolve
>that I will not buy
>any gear that is made
>over in Red China.
>If you see fit to
>join me, I welcome you
>--- but more importantly let
>the fishing tackle manufactures know
>that is what you intend
>to do.

[River_eye]

If you were in the military, then you know very well that your own country would do the same thing if in their position. These chinese people did not go out and capture these americans, their plane collided with a US SPY plane. Remember, it's one of their men that's missing, not any americans. They would be fools, to not sniff everything out first before releasing the crew. Besides, there is no reason to believe that they are not being treated in a hospitable manner.

You guys are way too much, give me a break!

River eye

[john mannerino]

Excuse me mr.rivereye, My son is in the navy,and has been over seas 3 times.I shake with fear when he goes on leave in other lands.Get those boys home and keep the #@$%#$@ plane, trashed the top secret stuff anyway.Mabey your thinking would be different if it involved someone you knew.I`m damm proud of my son for serving his country did you? John Mannerino

[RANGER]

I am totally with you on this, sib. Part of me is retired USAF, I feel for them and their families, deeply!


RANGER


"KEEP YOUR LINES WET, YOUR POWDER DRY and THE BEER COLD"

[Mike]

River-eye, just remember---WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS---THEY ARE THE BAD GUYS. Sometimes you more enlightened people of our free country have trouble uderstanding this.

[EyeJacker]

Yes it is their pilot that's missing, but then that was the hazzard of his kamikaze like mission. You are either misguided, my friend Mr. rivereye, or spreading a load of BS! The Chinese are not our friends.

[Skeeter]

My prayers are also with the men and women being held in
China. I am sure our country is doing everything possible
to get them back(WE HOPE). China is NOT our friends. If they were
why when we were over there did they have "OUT OF BOUNDS AREAs"?
Because we would get our necks slit if we went there!
I was there several times I know. The pilot did a kamikaze like mission and failed. He died and a plane was lost. Now
China is looking for someone to blame it on. They are
trying to not look weak to there people, they have carried
it to far now. I say "LET OUR PEOPLE GO!" I hope
they reconsider our trade agreements Clinton set up. You
bet I am afraid for team being held. We all should be!

[jk]

Hay they were 75 miles off shore, international air space. a 350 mph 4 engine turbo prop does not crash into a 700 mph (at least)fighter. The only posibility is a fighter jock playing with the converted transport and HE goophed.

[Hookman]

I wonder if any of the tackle makers are watching the news,what if ever body just said, we won't buy it if its made by the REDS..
Hookman

[EyeJacker]

Well said my friend!
Jack

[EyeJacker]

Amen! Let's work on improving the trade deficeit with China. Got to believe they need us more than we need them.
Jack

[River_eye]

BTW, I'm not from your free country.

I know that it's common to assume that we're always in the right, and they are always the bad guys, but it just isn't true. It's just DIFFERENT guys with different customs. If you are convinced that being different makes them bad, then there's nothing I can say that will change your mind, so I won't bother. Good day.

River eye

[River_eye]

Oh, no doubt I would be worried about a loved one. But at the same time, I'd have already had to accept the risks that come with the occupation. When you think about it realistically, do you actually think that they'd do somthing to start a war with the US over a freak accident? This is my view on the matter, and it just happens to conflict with yours. Not looking for a shouting match.

River eye

[River_eye]

I know they are not friends of the US, which gives them good reason to be very suspicious, does it not?

It seems to be a common assumption that because they are not friends of the US, they are animals. I disagree with this. Try to have a sense of Apathy, it is a virtue that few posess.

River eye

[P.Thomas]

I wouldn't look for our Government to even mention any kind of trade sanctions with the Chinese. Large American Corporation are heavily invested there and our Government won't let them take a bath. It is our fault as consumers that our manufacturing industry is leaving for over seas where the Corps. can make larger profits by selling cheaply produced good back here in the US. The only control we have a citizens is our buying habits (made in USA should mean something to us).The politicians certainly arn't going to step on thier campaign contributors (large corporations) toes to protect american manufacturing. I still don't understand how our businesses can invest in a communist country to produce products that put our workers out of jobs and we ( citizens approve of it by buying these products. One other thought about this if this was Cuba that was doing what China is what would our politicians be saying.

[Mike]

Even though you may not be from our free county, I doubt if you are not from a place does not benefit from what we stand for. In the past some people have always said "there just different" about the Nazis and the Communists. What is it going to take for us to realize that some forms of government are in fact evil. This is not just an exercise in diversity. I have nothing against people of different cultures, but this is not about culture and customs. It is about a system of government that does not care at all about human rights, or about the lives of it's own common population.

I gues what I am saying is I do believe that in this world, the United States and our allies ARE the good guys, and that some bad guys DO exist.

[EyeJacker]

True, but I can hope, and we can do our part. A certain irony here is that Lockheed is even training their pilots. We are also giving them the guidance system technology that will allow them to drop their nukes in our back pocket. We have our head in the sand here I am afraid. We do not seem to understand the Asian mindset. The Chinese elbow us around at will, however, will have their Army send us campaign contributions to get their preferred party elected which we readily accept. Something foul about the oder here!

Greed is the fuel allowing for this soft under belly and I suspect we will rue the day.
Jack

[EyeJacker]

Apathy is not a virtue, but ignorance is bliss or so it would seem.
Jack

[EyeJacker]

Apathy is not a virtue, but ignorance is bliss or so it would seem.
Jack

[john mannerino]

Yes this country does some crazy things with big business.Lets not let it get in the way of the truth.China is a crule, power hungry country that does not care about human rights,there own people will tell you that.I`m sorry if I sounded out on a post this morning,but these KIDS should be home by now,not held for any reason.My son has been in the gulf 2 times on a carrier,he works on the deck.We have spent many sleepness nights when that nut twitches a finger.God bless those boys for haveing the stones to do there job.We should repay them by doing what we have to to get them home.Sorry if I sound one sided.John

[Swat1]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-06-01 AT 02:19PM (CST)[p]If your not from this free country River Eye then why are you even sticking your nose into this conversation?

You obviously (by your views here) Do not think the US is any good and that our 24 service men/women don't matter. I say this to you.... When it comes time to protect your country, whatever that may be, who will you ask to help? From what you have said here maybe you think the Chinese will come to your aid but my guess is that you will look to the good old US of A for your salvation as do so many other countries arround the world.

You are also lucky in the fact that we "rotten Americans" will come to your aid if the need should ever arise. I wonder if your anti american rhetoric will be the same, if god forbid that should ever happen.

So once again I say to you if you aren't from here then keep your nose out of it! After all it isn't us who is or will be asking for your help.

Dan
Swat 1

[Scott D]

Eric, I think you may misunderstand the situation. The plane was flying over international waters and therefore technically is not a spy plane, it is really a reconnaisance plane. The Chinese government should be the ones appolagizing to the United States for Mr. Wong Wei flying his fighter jet into our plane and causing it to crash land.

If the tables were turned and one of our top gun flyboys tried to play games with a Chinese plane out off of our coast and ended up clipping the plane and causing it to crash land on our land then I would think that we would be appologizing then and we would immediately send the crew home.

I think the U.S. needs to send the Chinese a bill for the cost of our equipment and the plane.

[EyeJacker]

I think River Eyes' secret honey holes lie somewhere in the Yangtse River!
Jack

[trapper tupper]

I spent 33 mounths in the hands of these bad guys ,If you think all have changed over there you must be some kind of a dreamer we baried 1700 in one camp alone in 1950/51 all frome starvation no medical care, and yes manay were beaten and killed.these people were all indoctrinated by Mau a skunk doesn't change his spots pray for these young Heros they need all our suport.as does our President.

[Hammerhead Herb]

If you are not looking for a shouting match, then don't begin your message with the heading of "load of BS". If you are just trying to state another viewpoint, don't say in your message "You guys are way too much, give me a break!" Present your position in a logical manner.
You missed the whole point of my message; but reviewing your rhetoric, I'm not surprised. Perhaps they would be foolish not to look into the plane; I'm just telling the guys that we are also foolish to be buying "Made in Red China" fishing equipment to support their violations of International Law.

[Hammerhead Herb]

I agree completely. If you look at my origianl posting (#2), it is up to us to make the committment to boycott the Red Chinese tackle. Look what happened when the Coco-Cola came out (a few years back) with the new COKE. Nobody bought it; it was the individual consumer who forced that company to change. It is going to have to be the individual fisherman who has to make that pledge not to buy Made in Red China fishing gear - no matter how painful it is.

[River_eye]

Hmmm.... maybe you're reading a different discussion? Why would you refer to any Americans as rotten? All the americans that I've met seem to be decent folks.

I don't believe ever having said anything bad about americans. I did challenge the views of somone who happens to be from the US, but that doesn't mean I have anything against his country. If you interpreted it that way, I'm sorry.

Just to recap previous comments by me. I don't believe that, by holding these prisoners, China is evil. I also don't believe that any harm will come to them, which is good.

Anyways, hope you get this straightened out before this thread is pulled.


River eye

[River_eye]

Point taken. Bad guys do exist. My point is, there are a lot of things that are way more evil than taking prisoners for investigation, and treating them humanely.

River eye

[River_eye]

A very acceptable counter argument. Thanks for not flying off the handle at me. :-) Good fishing.

River eye