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Finaddict
04-21-2001, 05:14 AM
I hate to bring this up but there predicting gas prices to reach the 2.00 mark here in the midwest by July. Gas just went up about .25 cents in the last week, were at 1.68 a gallon now. What are your prices in your area? do you think "they" are trying to get us to believe we need drilling in Lake Erie? This will probably mean marina gas will be close to 3.00. Thats going to be tough on the pocket!!!
River rat
04-21-2001, 05:44 AM
The gas prices are a bunch of crap, just like the heating bills were this winter, in central Wi. it is $1.70@. I will spend more time fishing the rivers here and less of my dollars up north enriching the economy.
It's Gouging, pure and simple
04-21-2001, 05:55 AM
I heard some BS that the current spike is due to having to clear all the "Winter Blend" reformulated crap out of the pipeline. That is whjy the price is climbing. Ya, bite me gas boy! I am tired of this mess. I have e mailed, called and written my Governor,Congressmen, Senators and The President about this. NONE of them have my vote right now, and I told them so. This BS with high fuel prices will not stop as long as the idiots (General population, run of the mill moron fuel consumers) keep paying the high prices. I will be doing a lot of biking and bank fishing this year. I suppose then this gives in to the eco nazi's, but until the dependency on gas foes down, the prices will not. I would suggest that you all call email and write your elected officials and tell them that if the fuel prices do not come down, and we do not explore our own resources here on our own soil, and if we do not tell OPEC to go suck an egg, we will not vote for thwem in the next election. I personally told all of them I'd vote for a goat before i'd vote for them again. Enough is enough. Now can I have a ladder to get off my soap box?
pedal power
04-21-2001, 06:33 AM
i am so sick of this #####! i drive an economy pill box back and forth to work to help me financially,and it pisses me off when i see some moron driving a gas suckin piece of ##### all alone to work. im driving this pill box to cut down on demand and here is this idiot supporting opec. so when i wanna go fishing it cost me an arm and a leg. and now here in minnesota they want to add another tax onto the already over taxed gasoline. i dont get it i thought we had a tax surplus? arent we supposed to get a rebate this year again? so why are they trying to get another tax in there somewhere, they also wanted to start a tax on clothing? MORONS!!
casey
04-21-2001, 06:53 AM
hate to say it but 2$ dont sound to bad to me; i'm stuck in california w/ the air force for 5 yrs now and our cheap ##### averages about 1.85.9$ and they say it's supposed to hit 3$ by summer.......i hope they'r wrong!! i'll be moving to ill. in october so i hope that price stays down for us all.
scottcny
04-21-2001, 08:21 AM
$1.55/ gallon in central NY today. My trips will all be of the close to home varity this summer!!
Gas is $1.749 at Ashland, WI. Maybe buying that Optimax isn't such a bad idea... Yeah, that's it. I'll tell my wife I'm doing her a favor... Yeah, that's it. I'll tell her she should really be thanking me for helping out with the economy and the environment. Yeah, that's it...
Gabby_SD
04-21-2001, 09:13 AM
Question , pertinent to this thread ? Has anyone ever checked out as to how someone could claim exempt status (like farmers) and purchased gas without paying state road taxes. I know the farmers can recieve rebates for taxes paid . This could be about 30 cents a gallon .
Skeeter
04-21-2001, 10:03 AM
Ha, we in Mi said that 2 years ago. Nows it 1.78. Real
close to home now, and the 9.9 get a lot of running. I
don't even want to start the 175.
ScottLee
04-21-2001, 10:24 AM
The "exempt status" that the "farmers" claim is for gasoline and Diesel fuel used off-highway (in the field) for our business (farming).
If a person was a fishing guide or a charter boat owner, perhaps they could get "exempt status" on the gas they use while off-highway (on the water) for their business (fishing), but I doubt that we could do that for the gas we use in our boats (recreational use) when we go fishing.
Prices of fuel will remain high until we either reduce our consumption of crude oil products or lessen our dependancy on fossil fuels, by supporting,promoting and using renewable fuels
such as Ethanol and Bio-Diesel.
I know I just open a flood gate, so let it come.
In central Montana I paid $1.46 last night. The thing that just gets me is gas could be free and it would still be 60 cents a gallon because of all the taxes on it. As long as OPEC has us by the Gonads we are screwed. The way I see it we have 3 choices.First, we can cut down on usage and hope that OPEC doesn't raise the price to make sure the dollars keep rolling in.
Second, we can up our own production and lower demand for OPEC production. Then maybe even cut a special deal with one of the main producers, to sell to us at a set price over a long term contract to avoid all this up and down price uncertainty. Or third, we can begin to develop other energy resources.Perhaps natural gas for instance. They say we have enough natural gas in the Rocky Mountain West to fuel all of America's needs for the next 150 years if we would develop it. And supposedly, that includes natural gas powered cars. Then we could tell OPEC to go................
jim c
04-21-2001, 10:41 AM
C2H5OH ,its not just for breakfast anymore
Chris
04-21-2001, 11:31 AM
I would love to pay a 1.75 a gallon for gas instead of the 3.60 we are paying now. (Ontario, Canada)
Wheel
04-21-2001, 11:41 AM
We are paying $1.50 here. I'm sure to most of you that doesn't sound bad. The bad part is my closest fishing hole is 100 miles away.
Scott D
04-21-2001, 11:48 AM
I have heard that if you save your reciepts for the gas you put in your boat that you can send it in and get a refund on the road taxes. I don't know if it is just here in Washington State or if it is a federal thing. I will have to try to remember where I heard about that or do some research. It was a couple of years ago that I heard about it. I saved the reciepts but then I couldn't find the article that I had saved that talked about it and I just kind of blew it off. With the cost of gas these days it would be nice to get a break.
spampy
04-21-2001, 12:05 PM
I think its funny we all hate to pay over a dollar a gallon for gas but well pay a buck for a half liter of water!
Dodge1
04-21-2001, 01:17 PM
$1.79 in Nebraska right now and I think it will get above $2.60 before the oil companies & producers call a stop to it.
Truck gets 12 mpg, boat gets 3.5 mpg, wallet gets thiner and thiner.
Course when you look at Europe and Canada were still low but this still bites.
Ristorapper
04-21-2001, 01:35 PM
$ 1.749 today with a $.25 increase the past two weeks here in central ND and I have a refinery out my back door!! Paul Harvey is talking $3.00 by mid summer so expect another jump by Memorial Day I suppose. Daughter goes to school with a girl that works part time at a conveinence(with gas) store. She told my daughter that she intercepted a note that said gas was to be up in price by another $1.05 (when it was $1.549) so that means two things: 1. $2.599 per gallon
2. The gas stations are goughing the ##### out of us because you cannot predict an increase in the wholesale price of gas. They are just going to bump it up for whatever other reason. The stations stick together like OPEC in this town, mainly because one guy owns most of them and he owns the biggest house on the river front. Don't tell me they aren't goughing the consumer.
This only means fishing closer to home with that 15mpg truck and that 6mpg boat. Get the canoe on top of the geo and do it the old fashion way!!!! I'll paddle, you troll and then you paddle, I'll troll. Have a great spring and summer all.
easymoney
04-21-2001, 02:02 PM
Sure glad I went with the opti on my boat. Went to a diesel pickup also, prices still suck though. 1.79 for gas in northern Minn. today.
freespirit(Terry)
04-21-2001, 02:45 PM
Got gas today at West Harbor for $2.09 for 89 Octan
I-CRAZY
04-21-2001, 03:44 PM
CAN NOT FIND GAS FOR UNDER $1.80 A GAL. IN SOUTHEASTERN WIS.
IT IS ALREADY CLOSE TO $2.00 A GAL. IN CHICAGO AREA.
Szopster
04-21-2001, 04:06 PM
Looks like I'll keep my diesel forever. Diesel is close to 40 cents cheaper than mid-grade unleaded in the Chicago area.
power stroke
04-21-2001, 04:25 PM
bite your tongue! dont be bragin about that,you wanna jinx yourself? you people who dont like the gas prices in mn. just wait till you go to buy minnows this summer! there is supposed to be a minnow shortage this year!! lookout, last year rainbows were 6.75 a dozen! i suppose they will hit 10 bucks a dozen this year!!
dummie
04-21-2001, 05:08 PM
Someone finally said it. We are getting gouged. They have every excuse you can think of for raising prices. I said this a long time ago that the reason for raising and lowering prices is to get the consumer use to paying more. I believe the station owners and manufacturers all want to set a much higher price so they can have their mansions etc. We the people need to upset their applecarts by using less. Or boycott one major oil company until they have to drink the stuff to get rid of it. I agree with the post to write your representatives and vote them out of office if they don't do something. Just talking about it is not getting the job done. Remember the truckers a few years ago blockaded the highways to be heard. I'm not saying to do that but am saying that boycotting a major oil company until they quit ripping us off is the way to go. When they lower their prices then hit another one.
THUMPER
04-21-2001, 05:25 PM
.80 Can per litre is abou $2.05US per US gallon.
This is unreal, here in south east Michigan it has already hit $2.08. :(
Hawg Tracker
04-21-2001, 06:17 PM
Sure...your Governor and ours in Illinois are absolute Idiots!
Taxes on gas here are .53 per gallon and this jerk has all of our roads so busted up with construction, that we can't drive anywhere.
Jesse Ventura ought to stick to that phony wrestling thing...he's a joke!
only a fool buys water !!!
Driftr
04-21-2001, 07:46 PM
This is because the people in this country" The United States of America" The greatest & most free country are no longer giving a ##### about their fellow "Americans". If anyone really cared it would be a national concern. I see people here state " I am happy & willing to pay $2.00 a gal." You are weak in thought! Our fathers would have never let anyone control their lives this way. That is what the real "original" unions were about. Union means what it means, unity , togetherness of all. We are Americans, wake up!!
I am ##### proud to be an American, I buy American (hopefully), ya just don't know who owns who, because we let that happen too !!
I guess I have a bit of my ancestrial hackles up. But, at least I am willing to stand up.
Driftr
AquaMan
04-21-2001, 08:44 PM
LAST EDITED ON Apr-21-01 AT 10:45PM (CST)[p]Yep, remember the price hike last summer. I said it then and I'll repeat it now. $1.60 will look like a dream come true by the end of this summer. With predicted prices close to $3.00/gal this summer on the east and west coasts, we will be begging for that $1.60 we were screaming about last summer.
Unless you quite driving, they will continue to raise prices. Last years reason was Opec price hikes, this year MFRing shortages, next year??? It does not matter. The point is they are trying to apeal to the stock market. Energy is the hotest stock right now. Go figure. Look at the returns. I would be looking at electric stock in California right now.
Pay the price or quite driving. Eitherway, you ar singing to the choir here. But what's your alternative? No fishing? NO WAY..and that's the way they want you to think! ;-)
AquaMan~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.·´¯° --- "It all begins and ends at the water's edge"
Eric@crowncomputerinc.com
Brad/nd
04-22-2001, 03:43 AM
Filled the truck yesterday, $1.76 unleaded in NW N.D. Maybe it's time to start converting over to propane & natural gas. I see more & more trucks doing this, less than half the price of gasoline.
I agree with others, as long as we pay for it, they'll keep selling it. What really gets me is when a station buys a semi load of fuel at a set price, which would normaly last them a week, and 1 day later the price jumps at the pump! Now the station owner just made a heck of a profit!
The old suburban will stay parked this summer!
Take care,
Brad
Jeez, every time this comes up, everyone runs for the pitchforks to take after the president, governor, arabs...etc. Tempting as that is....there is a simple easy way to get this swinging back into the consumer's favor. Y ou know why gas goes up in the summer.....more demand, and capacity is fixed, and by the way..MAXED OUT> There hasn't been a standalone refinery built in the US in 20+ years. All we have done is close them down, thereby lowering our capacity. And we are not through the woods yet. There are a string of environmental regs coming down the tubes soon that will require refiners to upgrade their facilities. Some refineries are not large enough to cover the added over head for the equipment, nor do they have the capital in that plant to do to expend it and then show a return on investment. IT's a fixed cost. These <95,000 lbbls. per day refineries will most likely close. There is one in Canton, Detroit, at least one in Chicago. Those three together total about 180,000 bbls per day, the size of a fairly large refinery. Now take that out of our already maxed capacity and what do you get? Lower supply curves. =Higher prices. Until some people realize that many environmentalists, while their hearts are in the right place, their heads are up their arses. We need to build a handful of huge refineries to increase capacity. These claims of conservation, and all that are fine, but the fact is, you got back doored by heavy handed regs that closed many small regional refineries. We are more dependant on pipelined fule than ever, and that is why you never heard of the flushing costs to get the winter grades out. In past years, you didn't have that much relying on the lines for finished product. I know some of you will jump up on your box and scream no way, no more refineries...but until someone gets some common sense on this, you are going to keep jamming 2$ gas in your truck and boat, and I don't feel sorry for any of this....we've taken a lot of environmental jive too far. No doubt some of it is good, but we let the inmates run the asylm on this one.
OPEC consists of 11 countrys I believe. And 2 of them are Libya and Iraq. Khadafy and Saddam. Maybe we ought to bomb the #### out of Saddam some more. ;-) :-) Russell
".... Or boycott one major oil company until they have to drink the stuff to get rid of it"
You couldn't target one company because for instance a BP Refinery will sell gas to Marathon, Shell etc. YOu'd never hit your target. Besides that, boycots are way out of the question. You think the economy is in the dump now, try stopping progress for a while. Then we will really pay. I say build two or three huge refineries in strategic locations, run them under current regs and see what happens. Things would shake up in the market if a company got in there and added 500000 to 750000 barrels per day/per region capacity to the national system. If it weren't for envirionmental regs, you'd see a lot of investor companies getting the dough to build refineries. At a profit of 15 bucks per barrel, it would be attractive to many. But until then, they will throw their money in dot coms and peeker plants.Until we get the senseless parts of the environmental roadblocks out of the way, this gas thing will only get worse. two summers from now, if nothing changes in capacity, $3 / gallon will be a bargin.
Up to 1.70 in my part of North Minnesota. Had been thinking of upgrading my 70 HP 4stroke but no more. Gas, beer, bait, pop, tackle--not to mention the boat/tow vehicle--fish and kids cost about the same.
HEY GUYS , REMENBER THE ELECTION FOR PRESIDENT?MR BUSH IS AN OIL MAN . HIS FAMILY IS RICH FROM OIL .MR CHANEY OWNS AN OIL REFINERY. THE POOR SLOB MADE 9MILLION DOLLARS LAST YEAR FROM OIL. THEY ARE BOTH CONNECTED TO THE RICHES MAN IN THE WORLD, OIL MAN.WHO DO YOU THINK PUT BUSH IN OFFICE?THE OIL PEOPLE.THEY GOT US BY OUR PRIVATES AND ARE JUST SQUEEZEING US TO DEATH .HOW DO YOU GET THE ECONOMY BACK WHERE IT WAS ?YOU MAKE IMPOSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO ENJOY THEMESELFS.????NO TRAVEL ,NO FISHING TRIPS , NO CAMPING TRIPS AND SO ON ANSO ON.LETS PUT THE BLAME WHERE IS BELONGS , THE WHITE HOUSE
I think that you are on the low side.
Because of the OPEC and petroleum producers, I suspect that we are going to be seeing $3 - $3.50 gas at the service stations and it will be over $4 on the water.
It just seems that the US is finally going to have to play the same game as the rest of the world as far as petroleum prices are concerned.
I expect that before this whole thing stabilizes, we will basically be paying the same price for gas as the rest of the world.
i.e. somewhere between 3-5 at the station and around 5 on the water.
Belly up to the world oil supply and enjoy it.
Take care
REW
dreamers
04-22-2001, 02:21 PM
you're all dreamers if you think you can fight this thing! our politicians are in bed with big oil and there isnt anything you or i can do about it. vote someone else in,,, ya right everybody likes money,they will just buy out the next guy. when you stop spending enough money to float the rest of the economy then the gov. tells them to lay off a little. the gov. wanted to slow down the economy,well they're gonna do it one way or another and we are the ones who are gonna pay for it. FUBAR (##### up beyond all reason)
GullGuide
04-22-2001, 06:27 PM
OK,
You might all call me a conspiracy nut, but here it goes...
Don't you think it's funny that all of the auto companies pushed, pushed, pushed all of these big, gas eating SUV's on all of us a few years back? Get everyone to depend on these 10mpg beasts and use gas like there was no tomarrow. Well, guess what? Do you think that all of these people who will be making $300 a month payments on a 40-50k vehical quit driving em or sell them off? Don't think so. Besides, who wants to buy a gas guzzler now anyways? The oil companies and the automakers are the next closest things to siamese twins as you can get...sell the gas guzzlers to all of us suckers because gas was cheap...no big deal when it was .90 a gallon to drive em. Well, now its the oil companies turn to make money.
What really sux is the fact that the people who depend on low gas prices to make a living are getting it up the wazzoo! Delivery workers, rural route drivers, truckers, GUIDES...etc, etc. Too bad we all have to pay for people to keep driving their gas guzzlin soccer team transports!!
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MIFISH
04-22-2001, 08:03 PM
The State of Michigan makes more money on a gallon of gas (excise tax and sales tax, 31 cents plus 6% sales tax of whatever the going price is ) than the profit by the oil companies. It is all the state and federal taxes that are the root cause of the problem. U.S. Senators/Attorney Carl Levin and social worker/Senator Debbie Stabenow could care less what the price of gas is at. Their gas is being paid by the taxpayers.
BAYMAN
04-23-2001, 12:26 AM
Hey MF, just who was in office last year when the prices spiked and I paid two dollars per gallon to fill my boat and truck during peak fishing season? Did you forget that Bj and Al Gore had / have major ties to Occidental Petroleum? The Occidental Petroleum who's CEO stayed in the Lincoln Bedroom after a major donation to the DNC? who are you trying to kid?
ezmarc
04-23-2001, 03:41 AM
I read that it takes a gallon of Diesel fuel to move the Queen Elizabeth 2, 6 inches. That would be about 11,000 gallons per mile. Could that be a true figure? If true, how'd you like to pay that bill! Maybe we should shut down the Cruise industry along with the netters, so we could have more for our recreational pursuits. How many SUV's would it take to use that much fuel?
ADC MAN
04-23-2001, 04:04 PM
One day I'M paying 142.9 the next day I'm paying 169.9
in northeast New York NO MERCY.
Big Fish
04-23-2001, 04:48 PM
We need to push for more Ethanol! Here gas is 1.73, E-85 (85% Ethanol) is 1.21. 40-50% works great in most any vehicle, but 85% takes a special computer etc.
MarbleEye's
04-23-2001, 05:37 PM
If your looking for a cheap alternative Ethanol is not the solution. The only reason it appears cheaper at the pump is because thye goverment is pushing it, and to push it they put breaks in the prices. Ethanol is quite expensive to produce, and gets 10-20% less milage to the gallon than gasoline.
If your lookming for a cheap fuel, build a wind turbine and buy an electric car/bike. You can sell the excess electricity to the electric companies, and have tax incentives to go along with it. High capitol but this pays off in the long run if you live in the right location. MarbleEye's
I think you are on to something there. The government does participate in the ethanol fuels. So, if it makes it that much cheaper....HOW ABOUT A FUEL TAX CUT? In Ohio, it's over 40cents per gallon. Someone else on here once said that the entity that's getting rich over the fuel prices is the government. I can tell you that station owners don't make 40cents on the gallon, and based on the returns shown by Exxon and Mobile, they don't get that much spread either. I say, government should back down.
One thing about the wind turbines....they are not efficient for their size. I recently saw a DOE video on wind turbines. Their capacity is very little given the size. In fact, one man did the math and said it would take a field full of wind turbines the size of Rhode Island to generate the same electricity as an 1100MW power plant.
I heard that same figure (1 gallon to every 6 inches traveled!) for aircraft carriers. Wow 3 miles to the gallon for a fishing boat seems pretty good :-).
Best Regards,
FJH
JasonMN
04-24-2001, 08:08 AM
On an average trip I use about 150 gallons of gas. A couple of years ago that would have cost me $210 (@1.40 per gallon). Lets assume gas will hit $2.00 per gallon, thus costing me $300 for the same 150 gallons of gas. A difference of $90. Ya, that kinda sucks but I am sure as H*LL not going to let $90 make me cancel my trip! It doesn't make any sense to sit home and stare at my boat/tackle/truck etc or go fish some 1/2 a*s lake just because it is close or just to prove a point (to nobody).
You can't take your $$$ to your grave (except for that 5K your casket will cost) and you never know when your fishing last trip will be. So greedy oil barons be dam*ed..I'm going fishing.
That's my attitude and I'm stickin to it.
Good fishin' to all!
JasonMN
Cangl
04-24-2001, 05:03 PM
Now the wife might quit bugging me about a bigger boat?
Theres hope
Steve A
04-24-2001, 08:48 PM
Two dollars sounds okay to me. It's the $3.00 price that has me scared!!
Buckeye
04-25-2001, 01:59 AM
Good idea on building the refineries Al. Now all we need to do is come up with a few hundred million dollars for each one and we are in business.
Ya But
04-25-2001, 03:23 AM
If you live in cryptosporidiumville, er I mean Milwaukee, you better buy bottled. And there must be a lot of idiots out there cause there asre about 1000 brands of bottled water.
Big Fish
04-25-2001, 09:08 AM
Just to clarify my comments on ethanol;ethanol isn't THEE solution,but is part of the solution. While it is true that there are tax breaks to the sellers of alcohol blended fuel,there are also huge tax incetives for the oil industry,such as oil exploration, oil depletion alllowances etc. etc. That's on top of the huge costs of defending the crude oil supply.
Having said that,continuing improvements in alcohol production are lowering cost of production to where it is becoming cheaper to produce than gasoline before tax. If gasoline prices continue upward as expected, the difference will get even greater. Don't mean to preach, but there are many misconceptions about ethanol,and a very wealthy oil industry fighting it all the way.
Besides that it is super clean.
cw
Greggb
04-25-2001, 09:37 AM
I found it interesting Bush talked about doing more to conserve. AMEN. That is the solution. Period. If we all made few unnecassary trips, car pooled a little, and fished closer to home we'd be out the this situation in a hurry.
However, Bush's comments on increased fuel efficiency for vehicles conflict with Republican lawmakers in Congress, who have blocked the Department of Transportation from even studying higher vehicle fuel mileage.
I doubt with the conservatives in power much will be done about it though. As long as someone is making wheelbarrows full of money its ok with them.
Road Kill
04-25-2001, 10:22 AM
I have spent the winter fishing in Florida. One think for sure the sun shines every day. They should all have solar panels on their roof, and they should get a tax break for doing it. Unfortunately we have a Bush for Gov. and they are big oil boys. Drill any where but get oil, an enrich my cash cows that put me in this office. I respect and endorce Al Gores plan to promote alternate energy with Goverment tax breakes if you do it. Not to mention the globle warming problem caused by burning fossile fuels. I think the American sportsman should forget all the crap they put out at election time, and watch what happens after we elect our current savior President. Are you watching? I am! I still have my guns but I can hardly afford to be retired.
Scott
04-25-2001, 11:14 AM
I'm watching Road Kill and now you are trying to say in three months W caused all this mess? C'mon, where you getting that stuff? FYI, the incentives for CNG vehicles was gone before the republicans took the house and senate. In fact, Lil Al did little if even whimper when it came up. By the way, the alternatives he wanted to give you a tax break for, the average Joe like me could not afford, tax break or not.
Greggb
04-25-2001, 11:55 AM
Bush may not have been in office when it started but it his problem now. What is he doing, nothing.
drDave
04-25-2001, 01:05 PM
It's 1.70 near the Detroit River, they will raise the price until congress lets bush drill in the Atric Wildlife refuge,
mooneyes
04-25-2001, 03:37 PM
Well as I can see there are a lot of unhappy people here, do to the aparent greed and profit hungry oil companys.I think it sucks also that we as a nation are at the mercy of oil barrens and middle eastern countrys.But I do have a solution and it doesnt envolve opening up our natural areas.Also Im sure it wont cost as much as doing such a thing.
Theres a certain mad man running around on a certain middle eastern country that has more oil than he knows what to do with.1 well placed shot and the oil is our for the taking.Ok well mabey that is the barbaric way to do things, but we could let Al and Tipper run it in exchange,
Ok thats not the answer but its a thought? So we dont send Al how about Bill and his wife.
good fishing see you at the gas pumps and soup lines
Israel is bankrupt. The inflation rate is among the highest in the world. We are sending Israel Millions of dollars DAILY.
The fact that we are in bed with Israel and are the only means of support for that country, it pisses the Arabs off. Until we let the Israelis fend for themselves we will have very few friends in the Arab world...and high gas prices and short supplies.
It might be a good idea to refrain from answering the phone next time the Kuwaitis' call to ##### about Saddam also.
MF...you must be an idiot! Bush has been in office less than 100 days and you are blaming him for the energy crisis? WOW!
Billy the zipperman was in there for 8 years and NEVER had an energy policy AT ALL! He let that moron Bill Richardson do nothing! ALGORE aligned himself with the "Jane Fonda" tree huggers and stood in the way of any new energy development, now we are paying for their stupidity. We are now payng for 8 years of the democRATS adversarial attitude toward energy exploration.
Thank God we now have a President who knows the innerworkings of the oil industry.
Walley E
04-25-2001, 06:15 PM
Hey Aqua Man,
Maybe your sign off should be "It all begins and ends at the gas pump."
Bottomfeeder
04-26-2001, 03:22 AM
I just checked to see if we can get a offroad tax rebate in Wisconsin. Of course not. Recreational motorboats are exempt from to non-taxable status. Here we get to pay 24.5 cents per gallon. This is in the top 5 in the nation. We are also in the top 5 in income tax, property tax, sales tax, I have to go to the bathroom tax, take your dog for a walk tax, and air tax. Wisconsin also tries to make sure that no business will expand in the state because we have a huge corporate tax. Oh well, I guess that's the cost of having such great roads.
Sorry for the whining. It's still too close to April 16th and I haven't recovered yet.
Bottomfeeder
Bottomfeeder
04-26-2001, 03:22 AM
I just checked to see if we can get a offroad tax rebate in Wisconsin. Of course not. Recreational motorboats are exempt from to non-taxable status. Here we get to pay 24.5 cents per gallon. This is in the top 5 in the nation. We are also in the top 5 in income tax, property tax, sales tax, I have to go to the bathroom tax, take your dog for a walk tax, and air tax. Wisconsin also tries to make sure that no business will expand in the state because we have a huge corporate tax. Oh well, I guess that's the cost of having such great roads.
Sorry for the whining. It's still too close to April 16th and I haven't recovered yet.
Bottomfeeder