White Earth Agreement???

[AquaMan]

Not wanting to start a mean spirited debate here so facts only, but reading the paper this afternoon, the DNR and the White Earth Band of Chippewas are dancing with the idea of a cooperative management agreement.

The basic jist of this seems to be that the DNR will pay the Band 2.5% of license sales. My question is: what for?

We currently pay the Leech Lake Reservation 5%. Is this to allow us to hunt and fish on the lake? There is no hunting or fishing allowed on Reservation lands, so what does that money go to and whey are we paying them?

Do the bands match these funds for a composite fund to stock and manage those resources? Or are we giving them money for the right to use the resource?

Just trying to get my arms around this concept here. There are several meetings, one on the 10th at the DNR Cafateria and the others up in Mehnomen and Ponsford.

AquaMan~~~~~~~~~~~~~

.·´¯° --- "It all begins and ends at the water's edge"

Eric@crowncomputerinc.com

[GullGuide]

Aqua man,
What do you mean by no hunting or fishing is allowed in the Leech Lake Res? The LLR is an open reservation, not like the Red Lake Res. Maybe I read it wrong, but you CAN hunt and fish in the Leech Lake Reservation.
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[AquaMan]

OK, so there is one clarification, I thought that all reservation lands were closed.

So is that what we get for our money? The right to hunt/fish those reservarion lands? or is there something else? Do they band members have to buy a licence to fish the non-reservation lands?

AquaMan~~~~~~~~~~~~~

.·´¯° --- "It all begins and ends at the water's edge"

Eric@crowncomputerinc.com

[800proX]

LAST EDITED ON May-02-01 AT 02:16PM (CST)[p]from what i understand - yes. i believe they have to abide by the laws as we all do on non rez lands and waters. i grew up around park rapids, and know that all the lands and water could be fished by anyone (i.e. Leech, Cass, Ice Cracking) and hunted as well. But the Red Lake Rez is somewhat different as i know you have to be a member of tribe to fish and hunt on that rez. any clarification as to why some are open and some not would be great.

jeff

[GullGuide]

It all has do do what was agreed upon when treaites were signed. The Red Lake Reservation is a SOVEREIGN NATION, meaning, they have their own laws, government etc. Kind of like it's own country unto itself. I think there is only 2 of these in the US, Red Lake and one in Arizona I think. State police cannot even enter Red Lake unless accompanied by a Tribal officer. I do believe however that federal agents can enter the reservation if a federal law is being broken.

[Mt-1]

2?? Try more like 500. But you are right with it "the rules" having to do with the treaties. The government agreed to "soverign nations" and hunting and fishing rights has long has tribes gave the government the "state of Minnesota" and so forth.

[Old Guy On Bottom]

All the rights of Minnesota citizenship, but none of the reponsibilities.

[mnjimcarp]

aquaman,

i realize you are a regular poster here on WC and now that you have posted such an inaccurate post, we all better keep a close "eye" on you. when determining which posts we can share good advice on, the first thing we must ask ourselves is, "DO I HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT?" it is very clear that you probably shouldn't be the person posting regarding native american rights. i can't begin to say how damaging it is to make reckless comments about the native americans. just ask bud grant and his pals how damaging careless comments can be.

one of the best arrangements that has ever been made in the interest of all minnesota sportsman and native americans was the leech lake tribal agreement that was finalized in the late 70's. the indians made a huge concession when they so graciously agreed to accepting a small stipend of money for their cooperation.

i would be much happier if we were paying a percentage of our license revenues to the Mille Lacs Band in lieu of thousands and thousands of pounds of walleye fillets.

keep your facts straight my friend. it is a better way to fly.

with all due respect, jim c

[I Fish GS]

I know that White Earth have their own fish hatchery and rearing ponds. I don't know the detailes. They do stock lakes. I was inpressed to here this.

[Porter]

MT-1, I believe GullGuide is correct in saying that the Red Lake Reservation and one other are the only reservations that are sovereign nations they can do things such as hunting deer and fishing without regard to state laws, among many other things. White Earth however is not in this catagory.

[Mattman]

Hold on here mnjimcarp. As I see it Aquaman is confused on his facts and that is why he posted. He is asking for people with some more knowledge of the topic than him to clarify the situation. I don't know anything about the topic but he appeared to be asking, not telling.

[AquaMan]

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mnjimcarp,

I WAS asking questions in order to get a better understanding of the reason for the payments, sir. It was unclear in the article that I read in the MPLS Star Tribune.

Thank you for your insight and providing me with your vauable opinions. However, I was looking for facts surrounding that issue, not your opinion of me!

Good Day!

AquaMan~~~~~~~~~~~~~

.·´¯° --- "It all begins and ends at the water's edge"

Eric@crowncomputerinc.com

[800proX]

with all due respect jim, you are the one that has/had the possiblity of turning this post into something it was not intended to be. why this subject can be fragile, to expect someone, even the knowledgable aquaman, not to be able to get some input or clarification on a subject is hard to believe.

i clearly understood his intent, and think it is you who need to refocus your directive and answer his question, not attack his person.

keep it real.

jeff

[Mt-1]

Maybe in the state of MN, but the pine ridge reservation in sd, blackfeet in mt, turtle mtn in nd, are a few more examples of reservations that are soverign nations.

[Jim in Glenwood]

I believe the correct classification is "closed" not sovereign. All tribes are considered sovereign to some extent. Red Lake and one other reservation in Arizona are the only "closed" reservations in the United States. In order to live on the Red Lake Reservation you must be a member of the tribe or married to one. That is why the white man can't hunt or fish on the Red Lake Res. I hope this clarification helps.

[wiggle]

Who finances the fish hatchery and rearing ponds? U.S. You and I. Don't give credit where credit is not due...