Esprit de corps

[Iris]

I used to ride my Harley alot when I was younger. I rode with a group of guys that I knew I could count on. Never a question, never a doubt! They would go to the wall for you and on the rare ocassion of having done so would maybe only then ask what it was all about! They never sat in judgement or second guessed you. That was loyalty. Of course money wasn't an issue, nor were there sponsers to satisfy or psuedo celebrities with thin skins to appease. The feel of the wind in your face, the open road, the camaraderie, was the bonding agent. Sadly, the day came when I saw the merit in spending that time in my boat, a decision Father Time played a heavy hand in. Still miss the rumble and the roar of my Harley, thundering down the road, more than words can describe. Can still hear and feel it ocassionally on a quiet night. Still miss the kind of loyalty that many of you will never know! My friends were the kind you find with increasing rarity today,a vanishing breed.
Fishing has been a reasonable substitue. Haven't seen much indication of that type of "friend" around here though, a few, but not many, but then there is the money and how can one be that committed to a another when money, the almighty buck has such a intoxicating allure?
I might add that I was not an outlaw. Had two college degrees and owned a business. In fact, quite the contrary, believed in free speech, First and Second Amendment stuff, you now all that stuff that is no longer that popular.
So my advice to you who would jump right in is to spool up with the party line and cast in the prescribed direction and you will be just fine! Follow all the rules even if the organization does not know them. It can be done. Start with memorizing the Internal Revenue Code. That will be excellent practice. Once comfortable with the Code you will be ready! I suggested the Code because the IRS isn't responsible for the bad advice they may give you either.

Wild IRS Rose

[bulldog]

I know exactly what you mean about friends ..and having been a part of something special in the past that noone understands. You used the term "Esprit de Corps". Are you a former Marine? I sure miss the boys in my plattoon quite often.
anyways I too feel my best out in my boat. She's my best friend nowadays.. and one of my only friends who seems to understand.
Thank God for her and Lake Erie.

[Iris]

No, I was never in the Marine Corps. You are a fortunate man to have known that depth of friendship. It is truely something special. I have found nothing that quite matches it. My boat too is blessed with a lot of understanding along with my dog who is fast approaching his last fishing trip.

[AquaMan]

LAST EDITED ON May-04-01 AT 06:59AM (CST)[p](spelling correction)

Iris, I am sorry to hear that you had to trade the HOG for the boat all together. Further, I am sorry to hear that you have not located the same camaraderie that existed in those days. I have that with my buddies. It just so happens that we fish, hunt, and just hang out together.

Money is not the reason we fish, but money effects all things, even the "bikes" They have had sponsors for bike racing long before they had bass or walleye tourneys. And have you looked at a Harley lately? $25-30K. It is not what separates sportsman, but rather what brings them together...on a different level. All aspects of life have the good guys and the bad.

Friendship is what you make it and loyalty is what you give it all the rest is just good times.

HOGS on the water!

AquaMan~~~~~~~~~~~~~

.·´¯° --- "It all begins and ends at the water's edge"

Eric@crowncomputerinc.com

[tbomn]

:-) :-)....;-)

"I respect faith, but doubt is what gives you an education."
Wilson Mizner

Good Fishin'
TBO/MN

[Iris]

Much of the time doubt may do just that, although the possibily exits that doubt could get you dead. :-)

[CJHughes]

Iris,I also miss the cool summer nights on my Harley,and yes the rush I get when going out on Lake Erie is some what the same . True friends such as you describe are hard to find . I had one in the USMC, haven't seen him in 20 years.But I have one who has been with me for 31 years,we have been through alot together.Never were there ever any questions ,we just did it for each other and still do today .He taught me how to fish , hunt and trap.Every time my oldest son starts our tractor ,I tell him to take it easy on her she use to be black and had alot of chrome.

[tbomn]

True enough!!!! There is also the possibily that exits that I will catch a 18 pound walleye, but the probability is quite slim.
Possibilities are endless.....................................->

"I respect faith, but doubt is what gives you an education."
Wilson Mizner

Good Fishin'
TBO/MN

[Iris]

TBOMN,
The probability of you catching a 18 pound walleye might indeed be slim (as in pancakes so thin they have only one side), however, if you keep a check on my livewell, the probability of you at least seeing one will go up astronomically!:-)

[tbomn]

I truely hope you catch one........:-) :-)

"I respect faith, but doubt is what gives you an education."
Wilson Mizner

Good Fishin'
TBO/MN

[Iris]

CJH,
I can tell you know the feelin'. Those were the days!

[Iris]

CJH,
When I am not engaged in covert operations, I am also known as "The EyeJacker" :-)
Jack

[tbomn]

I would figure that a guy that posts and doesn't leave an email address, is pretty "weak" to start with. Then posting under another user name without leaving an email address, I figure thats the act of a coward. If you truely were in the Corp, you didn't learn much about pride, and bravery. I figure that if a man doesn't have the legs to stand behind his mouth, he isn't much of a man. IMHO....:-)

"I respect faith, but doubt is what gives you an education."
Wilson Mizner

Good Fishin'
TBO/MN

[EyeJacker]

TBO,
I guess you told me! But the reason you recognized me is that birds of a feather thing! Looks like WC has a lot of cowards by your standard, but the biggest coward of all may be the censor.
Thats not you per chance? Did I miss your E-mail address per chance? Better keep the faith, doubt is not flattering your education! :-)
Iris

[tbomn]

"I respect faith, but doubt is what gives you an education."
Wilson Mizner

Good Fishin'
TBO/MN

[tbomn]

1-651-334-7375......

My name is Joseph Smith.....
You need to know more call me......

If you really cared you could have checked the main page and used the profiles, and several other places....my name, address, and phone number are there in several places and have been for over 3 years.

"I respect faith, but doubt is what gives you an education."
Wilson Mizner

Good Fishin'
TBO/MN

[EyeJacker]

As far as your name goes, it means no more to me than if it were Eye Sore, Eye Con, M Wizner or Joe Smith. It IS the message that counts and ONLY the message. The only cowardice may be that demonstrated by the censor. You're not he I presume!

I do not know you nor do I care to. Why would I? Anything I feel the need to say to you can be said, in good conscience, right here. Providing a private way to vent your anger buys absolutely nothing. I already believe you to be adept at name calling, and if you really think that is constructive then do it in this public forum.

Your posts tell me who you are and that you need not doubt!
Keep the faith brother, I suspect the doubt may be failing you.
Remember: A Rose by any other Name is Still a Rose" and some have thorns.:-)

Iris



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[Iris]

Thanks! Good words. Friendship is what you make it is true. I believe it also takes equall commitment from those with a Kindred Spirit forged by a common interest. I have a few friendships bonded to this degree. Primarily my old Biker Buddies! More friends to a much lesser degree and many friends at a superficial level. Its that first group of which I speak as being hard to develop as there seems to be fewer candidates or at least harder to find. :-)

[Buddy]

the guy gives yuu his telephone number an his email address to talk ove your diferances and you just come back with more smart mouth. i would say that hes right about you

guys like you are the ones that cause all trouble on this board.

all mouth and no nuts

[EQUAL PUNISHMENT]

If posts #12 and #18 don't qualify as material for deletion then the rules should be thrown out the window! Name calling and vulgar language, come on now, lets be fair. Not that I agree with anything from Wild IRS Rose, but atleast he didn't make a personal attack like tbo/mn and Buddy.

[Jim O]

You had friendships in past and unless you are a different person today, their is no reason that they won't develop again. Times and people change. I miss a lot of friends who I share rides with
(yeh, I'm another harley guy) played ball with 5 nights a week and every weekend etc, you know the program. Families grow and pull us all apart. Sometimes their is a gap in time before you hook up with the right personalities and develop those no questions asked friendships. Life flows, go with it, you'll get back to where you were, it will just be different.
Regarding the IRS, I could not imagine anyone memorizing that junk. I gather from your IRS reference that you have had some trouble with those folks. All the same, keep the faith. Remember, everyone wants to be around people with positive attitiudes and plans for tomorrow ..Hopefully, those plans are where to go fishing. Best of luck to you in your travels.
Jim Ordway

[TBO/MN]

Not sure where you see any personal attack on any of my posts. I would think that what I said was "standard equipment" for anyone that considers himself a man. Have the legs to stand behind your mouth. If you think differently, "OK"....It's just my opinion.

Good Fishin'
TBO/MN

[EQUAL PUNISHMENT]

Calling someone a "coward" whether it is true or not is not "standard equipment". I guess the rules aren't for everybody.

[EyeJacker]

I might be all mouth and not nuts, but the "Nuts" are easily recognized.
There is nothing constructive to be said via e-mail that can't be said here. Its the message not the personality.

[Iris]

Jim O,
Thanks for the thoughts, my point was not just "friends" but those very special"soul bonded friends".

As far as memorizising the Internal Revenue Code, it was intended as a comparison to the Chamberlin fiasco and the many rules, some apparently conflicting and confusing. The reference to the IRS was a comparison to the organizers that appeared to be backing away from their own rule interuptations.

No, I was never an IRS agent, my professional background is an accountant and as such I had ocassion to work with both the IRS and the Code. :-)
Jack

[Wild IRS Rose]

Thanks for your observations but, alas, the fact remains that the interruption of the rules and their enforcement often rests with those with a bias! Much easier to censor a precieved rouge "mouse" than someone spooled with the party line.

When in the kitchen cooking I expect to take some heat and will give some. Name calling is refuge for those heat sensitive cooks with no other recipies. Justice may not be blind where it has EYES. :-)

[W. I . Rose]

Spelling Corrections:
Interruption should be interpretation and.
Preceived should be perceived.

[D189]

LAST EDITED ON May-06-01 AT 08:48AM (CST)[p]Iris and TBO,
PULLEASE!!! Enough is enough! Will you two get the measuring tape out and get it over with? Then maybe we can get back to something a little more constructive, like talking about fishing? The past is is in the past for a reason; we've already passed it. Build on it, don't live in it. As fond as our memories may be, there's nothing quite as exciting as the prospect of tomorrow's new adventures, new boats, new gear, or new friends. Hey, you two ought to spend a day fishing together, you just might become great buds. On the other hand, if you end up in another p***sing contest, at least it will be in person, man to man, you know, like real men.
D189