Synthentic oil/gear lube

[GetReel]

Last week I put Amsoil gear lube in my Evinrude 140 and 2 stroke oil in the oil tank. "oil injected" What was anyones elses results after switching?

I was just plain impressed. After 4 day fishin Silver in Olcott N.Y. on Lake Ontario I'm a believer. I troll with this motor, No kicker. It never fouled once. That in itself is amazing.
The previous best top end was about 27 MPH with 2 on board @5000rpm. I easily got 29.5 mph with a FULL load of 4 on board. Electric downriggers and wts ect which I only carry for Lake Ontario. I expect better than 30 with a walleye load and 2 on board. I run a 21' ProLine CuddyWalk.

Has anyone else seen top end increase with and oil change. Or is my mind playin tricks on me. Can I run up the rpms a little more? It will never be "fast" but sometimes we run close to 25 miles oneway and I'll take whatever top speed it can safely put out. It seemed to get to 5000 easily and want to go further. I had to easy back to keep to 5000 now.

[Gilligan]

I've been running the Amsoil synthetic lower unit oil and the 2 cycle oil for 2 seasons. I get a bit more speed but not much. I switched mostly trying to reduce the oil smell that was getting people sea sick.. it didn't really reduce the fumes.

[tj]

iam glad to hear that ,i just became a dealer so i can switch to amsoil in my boat 175 efi i also plan on running it in my truck and car iam switching them now and the boat in the spring i like to hear the good and the bad if its out there

[bruce girdler]

This is no surprise to me as I have been a Amsoil dealer for years now and in my 1974 Glastron with a 165 merc sterndrive I use Amsoil 15w40 marine with the 80w90 gear lube in the lower unit.I also use Amsoil SD oil filters as well.Ask your dealer about other Amsoil products such as syntetic wheel bearing grease for your boat trailer and metal protector.

[Jsledder]

NO, REALLY, this stuff is crap, anybody that beleives AMSOIL works is an idiot.
Well, that is the kind of reaction I get from some guys on a snowmobile forum.
Personally, I've used it in my suburban and sleds and love it, just tore down a racing kart motor tonight that I've been using the new 0w40 4 cycle oil in and with about 20 nights on it the insides still look brand new, couldn't beleive it, no filings or nothing. Got over 14,000 on the same oil in my suburban and it still looks like it came out of the bottle and it increased my mileage.
So, to hear stories like this just backs me up and makes me beleive even more that Amsoil is a good product. People are just too used to beleiving that you can only expect so much from an oil and when we try to preach all the benefits of Amsoil they just blow it off.
Good luck with it and I'm sure you'll have more experiences to share as you use more of the product.

[Steve]

My experience has been that you get an increase in performance if you use Amsoil in any rig that is somewhat underpowered. This seems to apply to cars as well as outboards. In some cases, it is a drastic improvement in performance and fuel economy.

The most important benefit of using synthetic libricants, Amsoil in particular, is the improved protection of your motor and lower unit. It is not coincidental that the big three all market a synthetic oil for the direct injected outboards. What's to loose? You pay a little more and get a lot more.

[Jsledder]

When you speak of the "big three" are you sure that all 3 of them make a 100% synthetic oil? I thought most of them were a blend and that Mobil 1 was about the only true synthetic, besides Amsoil.

[GetReel]

Thanks for the responce guys. My rig is Underpowered so the change was noticed in top end. As for fumes. Hardly any at cold startup or trollin with the waves behind me. Before I would choke the dock area blowin exhaust fumes in the morning and during the day it seemed as if I was smokin a cigar on board with all the fumes I was breathing if the wind was right. Exhaust fumes and smell has almost gone. Very little noticable smell or smoke blowin.
I'm plannin on puttin Wal-Mart synthetic oil in my Ford 5L conversion van. It's underpowered for towing this rig. Couldn't hurt. Right?
I'm no mechinic so if fluid changes like this help I'm all for it.Any other suggestions?

[Bruce Girdler]

Reelman You can put Amsoil 10w30 in your conversion van along with Amsoil gear lube in your differential and Amsoil ATF in your automatic transmission to complete your tow package. Bruce

[Jsledder]

Bruce:
Sounds like your an Amsoil dealer and user. Do you go the full 25,000 miles on your oil in your vehicle? I've got about 16,000 on it and all looks good, but alot of people claim I'm nuts for doing it, Amsoil warranties their product and has all the tests and testimonials so I feel safe doing it, also I know what used oil looks like as I was a Manager at a Jiffy Lube store once and seen my share of oil come out of vehicles.
I would definately recommend using Amsoil in your tow vehicle as you can expect to see an increase in mileage, power and alot better protection. I've got a suburban and went from 14-15 mpg to around 17-18, wasn't an instant change but after about 2,000 miles I started noticing it.

[Bruce Girdler]

Yes I am a dealer and a user.No you are not nuts for changing your oil once a year or 25000 miles.I dont usually drive that far in a year but I have many customers that do and have done so for years.Use Amsoil products with complete confidence that you are giving your vehicles;boats;etc the best. Thanks BRUCE

[Leo Kam]

Bruce, is Amsoil alright to use in a 4-stroke to lubricate the engine and gear case? I have a Suzuki 60hp with about 100 hours on it using the manufactures lubricants.

[Bruce Girdler]

>Bruce, is Amsoil alright to use
>in a 4-stroke to lubricate
>the engine and gear case?
> I have a Suzuki
>60hp with about 100 hours
>on it using the manufactures
>lubricants.


Yes. It is okay to use Amsoil in the engine and gear case.Amsoil makes a 0w40 and a 15w40 both for marine use.These oils have arust and corrosion inhibtors in them to protect from such enviroments as marine use as well as the gear lube.If I can help in getting some Amsoil let me know. Thanks Bruce

[Leo Kam]

Do you mean 10W40, and what is the difference between the two grades in use?

[Bruce Girdler]

The 2 oils I mentioned are 0w40 Formula 4 Stroke and 15w40 Heavy Duty Diesel and Marine.Both these oils are formulated with rust and corrosion inhibitors for marine use.The difference being that the 15w40 is made for use in a wide variety of uses such as gas and diesel marine use as well as semi trucks;earthmoving equipment etc where the 0w40 is made for serious protection for recreational 4 stroke motors such as 4 stroke outboards;ATVs and the like.Both oils will work with the 0w40 being the better choice for your application.Let me know if I can help you to purchase some Amsoil. Thanks Bruce

[Gone Again]

Does the Amsoil lower gear lube come in any larger container than the 8 oz. tube? Thanx-Tom

[Tom P]

Getreel,-- Walmart syn.oil I think is made by Pennzoil. It does not have ALL of the ratings that all the rest of the syn. oils have on Wallmarts shelf. It is missing one of the two that they all have on the badge. CJ or SJ is missing. You get what you pay fore. It's better then reg. petrolium oil though. As for above posts that feel running oil for 25,000 mile with only filter change is ok. I would not . I think its just marketing. Audi did tests on reg petrolium oil. They give you free oil changes up to 50,000 mile at 7,500 intervals. They had some oil break down, but there is all the acids and combustion solids that you are not getting out with a filter. Even Amsoil filters which are better then joe blow filters. If I had a $40,000 truck, and was going to drive it long term, I wouldn't trust a marketing idea. I could see 10, 000 miles at max tops. I will run the new Castrol ,Mobil 1, and Quaker State. Which ever I can get a better price on at the time and one that has the GM Vette rating on. That's good enough for my van and car. I end up changing spring and fall with about 5,000 at a time on both. I do try to put 0w -30 mobil 1 in at the fall change though. I also run Penzoil 100% synthetic lower unit gear oil in my cars manual gear box. It is GL-5 rated and talking to an oil engineer at a place where I buy oil for my work. ( Lube tech) If it is GL-5 rated it is ok in a car and a lower unit. I can't see paying Amsoil prices for synthetics. I do however think Amsoil in most cases has a better oil. But 95% protection is good enough for me and my toys

[Bruce Girdler]

Yes It also comes in quarts and gallons.And as for extended oil changes Amsoil has a video of semi truck owner that had 609;000 miles on the engine 409;000 of them without an oil change and when the engine was torn down and inspected it was spotless inside with no sludge or deposits whatsoever.Also wear was almost nonexistent as they claimed they could take new gaskets and put the engine back together.This is something that most likely cant be done with Mobil 1;Penzoil and the like.Amsoil extended oil changes do work. Thanks Bruce

[LeeMn]

Anybody know of a Amsoil dealer in the minneapolis area? i would prefer to buy in bulk i.e. fill up my gallon container for a drum or so, but I am willing to buy it in the gallon container. Heard enough about it to give it a try. I like the sound of less smoke when trolling.

thx,
Lee

[eyeguy]

contact www.outdoorsupply.com they can set it up so you can purchase in bulk, or pay a small fee and buy at discounted prices like I am, or become a dealer if you want to. I have it set up so I don't pay list price, but it cost me a fee each year. which my boat alone makes up for that...

[Chaz]

I purchase a case of Wal-Mart synthetic oil last month and this particular case had the pallet shipping label, it was from Quaker State. So my guess is that Q State makes their synthetic oil.

[Bruce Girdler]

Lee if you can email me I can have it shipped right to your front door and I can also show you how to get it at cost.Anyway you want to get it I can help. Thanks Bruce

[Tom P]

Pennzoil owns Quaker State. That's why you do not see Itascia 100 % synthetic outboard motor oil anymore. You only see Pennzoil 100 % outboard motor oil. ( Pennzoil reformulated Itascia to be more enviro friendly also) But, now we know for sure Pennzoil makes Wall-Mart synthetic oil.

[Tom P]

Bruce, Have you heard of a term called "marketing" And Clinton pointed his finger at us and told us he DID NOT have sex with that girl! ( And Slick Willy did not inhale ) I'm sorry, 409,000 miles without an oil change, And on a diesel no less!!!!!! I have changed oil on a diesel many times at 3,000 miles and what DIRTY /SMELLY oil. That is because of all of the sulfure and combustion by products. I'm sorry, If it sounds TOO GOOD to be true, it most likely is NOT TRUE! This is even harder to beleive then the 25,000 mile oil change on your car!!If that is the case with a diesel truck, your car could go 1,000,000 miles without an oil change. You have alot less blow-by from your very low compression gas motor. 409,000 miles on a diesel truck (haling tons of weight daily!!) without a oil change and wear was almost nonexistent!! B as in B ,S as in S.

[Tom P]

Bruce, I was going to say "you are a salesmans dream" But I read on after the post above. YOU ARE THE SALESMAN!!!!!!!!! No wonder I'm knee deep in B.S.!!!

[Bruce Girdler]

Tom P The name of the man that owned the is Haywood Gray;he lives in Colonial Heights;Virginia and the truck is a 1990 Mack with a E7-400 motor.Amsoil has a video where the engine was torn down and inspected by a certified engine rater from a major oil additive manufacturer.I was not there to witness this event nor am I suggesting that anybody else do this but it shows what can be done in the extremes.Then lets talk about marketing;Leah Riminea from King of Queens doing a Quaker State commercial.Or stop-go Penzoil.These products are so good that they want you back in 3000 miles.I have 2 cars that change the oil yearly on and Amsoil has thousands of customers that do the same.So do what you want the proof is in the people that use Amsoil that use to use the products that you use. Bruce

[Shiny]

I for one can attest to Bruce getting the goods to your door. I've got the Amsoil stuff off of him for the past three years. No problems, no hassle.

[Tom P]

I'm not knocking Amsoils quality, I know they put more additives in their oil then the big three. I think it's just stupidity to run oil for longer then 10,000 at best. You have all the acids and combustion products left in your oil that the filter will not take out. Give me your corporate answer for that question please. I don't care what name you give me. I will never believe that you can get almost a half a million miles on oil without an oil change in a diesel truck hauling loads daily. With almost no wear. It's just plain B.S.! Have you ever changed oil in a diesel at 3,000 miles?? It looks like seal coat for your tar driveway. It's just the good old pyramid sales B.S. again. They told me I could buy a wax treatment when I bought my car that would last the life of the car. Never wax your car again!!!Remember that B.S. years ago. Buy real estate for no money down!! A couple years ago if you used these guys wax you could start your cars paint on fire with no damage. Bring back a cars finish just like new that was sitting out in a junkyard for 25 years. I put Amsoils 409,000 mile, almost a half a million miles without a oil change claim right up there with those B.S. claims. At least they should have picked a gas engine. I could have given that claim a 10% possiblity. I change my oil every 5,000 miles not 3,000 miles. As for the claims that all the people that switched from Mobil 1, the new Castrol syntec( the old was not good oil) Quacker State synthetic. They must have seen a BIG change. The first time they changed. They call that "Placebo Effect!" I guess I'm just a skeptic to all your bold claims. I'm a synthetic fan. but not into the hype and what I feel are very questionable claims that you and Amsoil claim. I do use their ATF though.

[Dave in Mpls]

Tom's ranting about Yarcraft transoms and now Amsoil claims, coupled with Bruce's insistance on using this board as a sales tool, about makes a person want to puke...

[Tom P]

Dave,---Yar-Craft can't make any claims about their transom. Just don't puke on your keyboard. When you see my name on a post just don't read it! Then you will not get sick. You are free to do that. Just like I am free to voice my opinion too. A little mixing is good. At least I think so.

[Jsledder]

If you are in the Minneapolis area we will be setting up a booth at Haydays just north of the city. If you are at all interested in snowmobiles that is the place to be this weekend. We will be selling Amsoil by the gallon at a reduced price.
Just look for a big tent with Amsoil banners on the sides.
Outdoor Supply is the name of our company.
We have all the paperwork to sign you up to buy it at wholesale prices or to become a dealer.

[Jsledder]

So, your saying you use the ATF and that's it?
When your wife puts down a new meal in front of you do you eat it before you say you don't like it?
This country is so brainwashed with the fact that everyone HAS to change their oil at 3-5000 miles, look at all the waste. Heck even if someone didn't buy the 25,000 miles claim even going 10,000 would be a big savings. Like Bruce says, the proof is in the customers who use it and keep buying the product with no troubles and all experience the same benefits.
Amsoil does not advertise like "the big 3" so it is up to us dealers to take care of that, and alot of people are skeptical on it, until they use it. Why is it so hard to beleive that someone has built a good recipe for oil and a good filtering system? Look at GM years ago, they tested a carburator on a big 4 door sedan that got upwards of 50mpg, gee everyone is so used to getting 20-30 tops with these compacts why put that out, so they put it in a safe spot and haven't heard or seen anything about it. I worked at a car dealership and a guy in this town took delivery of a car with that carburator on it, GM came to the dealer, they went and picked up a the car and had a nice discussion with the guy. He has since passed away, but everyear after that he received a new car. It's possible to have better than what we have now, you just have to beleive it. It's no skin off my back if someone doesn't want to try it but people don't need to be comparing it to other things that claim to do something they clearly can't, "protect your car after you set it on fire" "drain the oil, freeze the block and it still runs" etc. Some things you just know are bogus, and those products have since been discontinued, Amsoil's been around since 1972.

[Tom P]

Yes, that is the only Amsoil product I use now. I have used their 2 stroke oil a couple of times, and engine oil a couple of times also. I'm just one of those few who uses the big three synthetics I get at Wally world. I do it mostly because I'm there I pick up what I need. Like I said in another post, I don't need a $9.00 qt of gear lube from Amsoil. When I can buy a $6.00 qt of Pennzoil 100% that will work 90% as good. Same thing with engine oil. I use Pennsoil 2 stroke 100% synthetic and buy it at Menards when they have their Sunday bag sale and I get it for $16.00,and buy 6 gals that last me that year. It's about what most guys are paying for OEM.That oil was the old Itasca oil from Quacker State. Which has an awesome track record in race motors around the country. I don't have a race motor. The Liberals made that nice law to control me and my motor. Everything after 1998 you can't even change a heat range of plugs without putting your self up for a $2,000 a day fine. Audi changes their oil at 7,500 will reg. pet.oil so yes, I can see synthetics going to 10,000. They changed mostly because of solids and acids in the oil. Not oil break down. Have a nice day! :-)