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REW
02-12-2002, 05:39 PM
Many trolling motor heads - tend to really bang around, when they are retracted, and a high speed run is made across waves.

There are quite a few different ideas out there on how to control this bounce.
A few come to mind:
Ram mount - bolted to either the gunnel or floor, then clamped to a ball on the shaft.

Velcro - a velcro strap - tied to the floor or gunnel, and then looped over the shaft with a half twist to tie to itself.

An upside down mounted u- bolt drilled through the gunnel - with a bungee cord clipped to the u-bolt - and over the head of the shaft.

However, perhaps the simpilest and certainly the cheapest method is the following that was given to my by my neighbor, who had it given to him by a hard fishing friend.

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This method applies to motors that have a double lever mounting method - as is the case for all of the cable driven motors, motor guide bow mount, pinpoint and some of the Minnkota motors. This also implies that the frame of the retracting mechanism is somewhat near the top of the end of the shaft - when the motor is retracted.

This means that if you are using a very long shaft motor - with a standard "short shaft mount" - this method won't work well for you.

However, the method is very simple and simply consists of the drilling of a single 5/16" hole in the trolling motor top lever are - such that the if a bolt is isnerted into the hole - the bolt will be vertical.

Then a 5/16" carriage bolt is inserted into the hole. However, before inserting the carriage bolt - a crutch tip - is fitted over the head of the carriage bolt.

Two nuts are put on the bolt to act as vertical adjusters.

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The positioning of the bolt is critical - basically the thing that you are doing is drilling a hole in the top part of the trolling motor mount. This is the part of the mount that lays over the gunnel, when the motor is fully retracted. Depending on how the motor is installed, this point may be as close as 1 or as far as several inches from the gunnel in a vertical direction. Since the corner of the gunnel is the strongest point of the gunnel - you want to line up the hole so that the bolt head and crutch tip - can fully contact the gunnel for support. The idea is to then insert a carriage bolt - so that the head is down, with the threaded point - pointed up - with a nut and washer installed on the bolt. Now, with the motor in the retracted position, adjust the nut, so that you just put pressure on the crutch tip - and lift the motor about 1/16".
Now, place another washer and nut on the top side of the trolling motor frame to secure the bolt. If very much of the bolt protrudes above the frame, either use a shorter bolt, or cut off the bolt.

If you find that you can't reach the gunnel, with the length bolt selected - and your hole is placed over the gunnel - select a longer bolt.

The idea is that you will retract the motor, As the motor retracts and falls to the mount - the crutch tip will contact the gunnel, slightly depress, and the lock on the trolling motor mount will snap shut.

You will find that there is virtually 0 bounce on the trolling motor head - since the head is securely caputred betweel the gullel of the boat, and the lock on the trolling motor.

If you have adjusted the bolt very tight - you might find that you have to depress slightly on the head of the trolling motor,to unlock the motor - to deploy the motor.

Total time and money is about 15 minutes and about $1.
This is for a total locking motor, that is absolutely fool proof, and requires no operator actions to retract or deploy the motor. Simply pull the rope, flip up - and troll. Pull the rope - retract - and go fast. No worry about motor bounce.

p.s.
Choose a color crutch tip that matches the gunnel or carpet of your boat. You will get a slight bit of rock and roll abrasion - and you want the worn rubber to match the color of boat or carpet.

Carry a spare crutch tip in your boat, and if the rubber gets too worn - simply pull the worn one, and pop on a new one for 39 cents.

Take care

REW

p.s.
I have written E-Mail to both Minnkota and Motor guide - to incorporate such a device into the design of their motor mounts. It is a trivial solution, that completely solves the bouncing head problem.

MINN KOTA Engineers Reply
02-12-2002, 09:14 PM
Huh? :+

REW
02-13-2002, 04:25 PM
To simplify the issue.
If you want to keep your trolling motor from bouncing, take a 5/16" carriage bolt, and drill a hole in the retracted trolling motor mount, so that the head of the bolt just touches the gunnel, as far back on the boat as possible. Adjust the height of the bolt, with a nut on each side of the trolling motor frame. Finally cap the head of the bolt with a crutch tip and readjust the bolt - for a small amount of compression on the crutch tip.

A $1.00 fix to keep your trolling motor from bouncing, with no operator intervention required, when launching or retreiving your trolling motor.

Take care
REW

MINN KOTA Engineers Reply
02-13-2002, 07:31 PM
We Got It! Thanks! :D

punch1
02-13-2002, 08:06 PM
REW,

I'm interested in your rig, but still am not quite sure how it works exactly? Any pics by chance? Pat

Bad Finger
02-13-2002, 08:14 PM
Yea...I'm confused with the description.....must be too easy! Please elaborate.

REW
02-13-2002, 08:33 PM
A picture sure would be worth a 1000 words in this case.

As I said - this will only work for a rope actuated double lever trolling motor. For this method to work, you must have part of the trolling motor mount, near the trolling motor head - over the gunnel of the boat.

All that you are doing - is placing a 5/16" support bolt - cushioned with a crutch tip -- BETWEEN -- the trolling motor frame mount - and the gunnel of the boat.

Just drill a hole in the frame, so that you line up with the edge of the gunnel.

Take care
REW

Still Reelin'
02-14-2002, 05:48 AM
Motorguide makes a product for this problem called the "bounce buster". It's basically a plastic cylinder with a rubber foot that attaches to the "top" of the mount. It swivels out of the way when the motor is deployed, and swivels to support the motor head when it is retracted. It's simple, easy to install, and works very well (for me).

Rick-Wy.
02-14-2002, 07:48 AM
REW:

What is a "crutch tip".

Rick

perchjerker
02-14-2002, 08:00 AM
You know, you break your leg. You hobble around on a crutch. The rubber end is what he's talking about.

FJH1
02-14-2002, 09:45 AM
I'll take some photos of my "custom RAM" mount system and e-mail them to anyone interested. The benefit I see to my system (or the RAM system) is that in addition to eliminating the downward head bounce, it also eliminates the upward head torque. If the torque is great enough the trolling motor could deploy. I'm sure most people have seen the photos of the tournament boats coming in from a particularly rough day on Mille Lacs, Erie or LBDN. Some boats are sans trolling motor. This is because during a run the trolling motor head torque caused the locking latch to fail and the motor deployed and was ripped off the bow the moment it hit the water. I think REW's system will greatly reduce the possibility of deployment because the head will not whiplash as much and this will help greatly. I believe that Motorguide has a system in place similar to REW's idea (I saw it on Mike Gofron's boat). But it still doesn't eliminate the upward torque that causes deployment.

Best Regards,

FJH

FJH1
02-14-2002, 11:04 AM
P.S. My "custom RAM" system only requires the drilling of (1) hole in the gunnell as opposed to (3) with the standard RAM system.

Best Regards,

FJH

TJ
02-14-2002, 11:21 AM
>>...it also eliminates the upward head torque.

EXACTLY! I have the RAM system and nothing holds more securely. Just make sure you get the long one (for walleye boats) that mounts to the deck in a near vertical position. Don't get a short one and screw the lower base into the side of your gunnel. It will eventually rip out of the glass (don't ask me how I know this :( .)

FJH1
02-15-2002, 11:11 AM
If anyone wants pics of my "custom RAM" trolling motor support system drop me an e-mail. I'll be happy to send them.

Best Regards,

FJH

punch1
02-15-2002, 01:36 PM
I'd be interested in some pics FJH. Thanks

Pat

punch1@g2a.net

FJH1
02-15-2002, 02:15 PM
They're on the way.

Best Regards,

FJH

Dave S
02-15-2002, 02:15 PM
FJH, I would appreciate receiving a copy of your photos, dsamuelson@conpoint.com

FJH1
02-15-2002, 02:24 PM
On the way.

Best Regards,

FJH

Curt De Boer
02-15-2002, 05:03 PM
fjh - could you send the pics as well?

My email is deboer777@cox.net

EsoxProSport
02-15-2002, 05:07 PM
If you could send me pics too, Thanx in Advance EsoxTracker@msn.com

FJH1
02-15-2002, 05:16 PM
On the way.

FJH1
02-15-2002, 05:16 PM
On the way.

mp3553
02-15-2002, 06:29 PM
please forward those pics!
Thanks
mp3553@cox.net

Quicksilver
02-15-2002, 08:02 PM
I'd be interested in your pics. I just ordered a new MK AP65 and think this will be needed.

Thanks.

g.kirby@worldnet.att.net