Hookins Triton

[Jim U]

If Hookin is so honest and deserving of a new boat, THEN why is his boat for sale in the classifieds? With the words (in excellent condition) Wonder what else he is LYING about.

[interested]

Now whats your story Hookin? This should be good.

[wondering]

Now that seems a little odd. I also would like to hear about this.

[Paul Harvey]

Rumor has it that Hookin was interviewed to be a pro sponsored by Triton. Seems after his interview with Triton management, Hookin was told that he was not the person they wanted to sponser next. Could it be that this is more of a personal situation than we all thought. Now you know SOME of the rest of the story.

[steve(IL)]

Paul Harvey? Another coward hiding behind a fake name while impuning someone elses motives. Your words should carry little or no weight. I don't know Hookin, Triton or where the truth begins and ends on his boat quality problems. He was obviously frustrated enough by his dealings with the factory to come here to vent. I can only imagine the frustration involved in buying what has been promoted as a high end product only to be plagued by multiple QC problems. How'd you like to be making big payments on a boat that you know is flawed? I feel kind of sorry for the guy if he's trying to sell it now after all the bad stuff he had to say.

[Already Admitted...........]

So what is the date of the for sale add in the classifieds? Hookin has already stated that he was selling the boat as he ordered a new one. That's where the problem started, he sent the boat back to the factory to have a crack in the gel coat fixed before selling i and the boat came back FROM THE FACTORY with the new crack in the hull. Try reading and understanding the whole story and leave the rumors out of it.

[Fishcal Guy]

> I feel kind of sorry for the guy if he's trying to sell it now after all the bad stuff he had to say.< Makes you wonder if he had handled this situation with a little class, what Triton would have done for him. Now he can't give his boat away. Cooler heads prevail.

[steve(IL)]

Easy to say and hard to do.... given the opportunity, Hookin might wish he had done things differently. He felt like he was being screwed and wanted to tell somebody - maybe even give us a heads up.

[Al]

Class is a tough thing to have when you have 20-30K sunk in the boat and it comes back far from perfect, then cracks again. From the sounds of the story, it sat at the dealer and the factory more than it was used. I think that's a problem if they can't take good care of a boat when they had it at the plant, or it blemishes on the trailer. Prices keep going up, the manf. no matter who they are should toe the line for customer service.

[WileyWalleye]

Good point. I went and looked at the ad when this topic was first posted. The ad is dated Jan 26, 2002. And you are right, Hookin' said it was for sale when he posted.

[HEY STEVE]

Steve , Paul Harvey is 100% correct in what he said about Hookin. I don't think he should be selling a boat that HE knows is far from excellent condition. Selling your problem to someone else hardly seem like the fair thing to do. Like you said how would you like to be making payments on a boat that is flawed.

[Jerry]

If Triton backs the boat 100% like they claim in ads, then the point is moot. Hookin is selling a boat that will be covered by warranty...if Triton holds up it's end of the deal. Shouldn't this bring peace of mind? Besides, I bet they get a good deal from Hookin.

[Paul Harvey]

Steve from (Il). What make you the guest user police? Are we to assume you are THE STEVE from (Il). Or the only Steve in (Il)? The bottom line is this, if I break a tool from Sears, they have a lifetime warranty. However if I do break one I have to return the broken one for replacement. It seems to me that Triton has done everything in their power to get Hookins boat back to the factory and repaired and or replaced. My information is accurate. I think you work your problems out in private and bring them public at a last resort. I will like many of us wait to see the outcome of this.

[TECK]

Hookins also stated he couldn't sell it with the 12' crack in it!

[Observer]

Which I take to mean he had tried and failed to sell it.

[CounterPoint]

>>Rumor has it that Hookin was interviewed to be a pro sponsored by >>Triton. Seems after his interview with Triton management, Hookin >>was told that he was not the person they wanted to sponser next. >>Could it be that this is more of a personal situation than we all >>thought. Now you know SOME of the rest of the story.

"Rumor has it ...". "Now you know SOME ...". Looks like you want to attack people and disparage their posts with rumor and innuendo. Logon and post what you voluntarily admit are rumors and PARTIAL truths. No wonder you appoint yourself the Counter-Guest-User-Police. You would have fit in well in Slick Willie's White House.

I decided to use a guest user id just to let you know how it feels. Isn't that deliciously ironic???

[Husky]

you guys can sit here and split hairs based on rumors, suppositions, innuendo, and individuals biases. Will this ever get to any endpoint? Not untill the dust clears and the final story emerges will anyone know for sure. Its June, time to forget about this and go fishin!

[DailyObserver]

Personally, I think that this issue has a life of its own and won't go away until the lawsuits are all done and the results posted on here. Each of us can view ourselves as Hookin having spent thousands of dollars on a product that is not working properly (for whatever reason ... as yet undiagnosed) and feel vulnerable. I know I do. I suspect I remain interested in these posts until we find out what the cause was and what the remedy is.

And if you look, the several threads dealing with this topic get a lot of posts and a lot of viewers. So, like it or not, we are going to see more of it.

[Husky]

Daily observer,

I understand the feelings of vunerability as well as any others. I was involved in a very similar situation a year or so ago. All I am saying is that debating the issue when you really do not have both sides facts (not half stories with omissions) really isn't getting anyone closer to any resolution. Ultimately, Hookin will have to deliver the boat to the factory in order to have the warranty(or replacement under the warranty) acted upon. Until he does that, all the fears he has of the company trying to "fix" the present hull and him getting a poor settlement are just that..fears. Unfortunately there is not much legal precedence for fear, and the company's warranty terms and conditions state clearly the boat needs to be returned before they must legally do anything. Yes, they can send out a representative to look at it, but they don't legally have to. I wish him all the luck in the world at getting a resolution he can be happy with, but in my opinion, he's working against himself here. I am also certain with my 50+ years of experience with human beings, that not all the facts have been made available, from either side.
So until Hookin and Triton get all the issues ironed out between them, speculative debating with people getting all worked up in the process, seems to be wasted energy. Just an opinion.

[DailyObserver]

>the company's warranty terms and conditions state clearly the boat >needs to be returned before they must legally do anything. Yes, they >can send out a representative to look at it, but they don't legally >have to.

I am curious. Eactly how do you know that?

[Husky]

If you read the warranty information published on the brochures, it states that its is the owners responsibility to get the boat to the company (factory) for warranty repairs that occur there. It is in many, if not most, warranties. Unfortunately, by signing the purchase contract, you are accepting the terms of that warranty.

[DailyObserver]

>If you read the warranty information published on the brochures, it >states that its is the owners responsibility to get the boat to the >company (factory) for warranty repairs that occur there. It is in >many, if not most, warranties. Unfortunately, by signing the >purchase contract, you are accepting the terms of that warranty.


I just completed looking at my TRITON brochure which I picked up at our local boat show along with Alumacraft, Lund, Crestliner, and Ranger brochures.

NONE of them say that.

Do you work for Triton or someone who is financially associated with them in some fashion?

[Husky]

I have not specifically read Tritons warranty recently, but have assumed the language in it is the same as I have seen when glancing over other warranties.Unfortunately, that fine print spells out the basic "rules of the game" with respect to coverage and most people (including myself) really don't read it carefully until.......

If I am wrong and language does not appear to that effect, someone please let me know.

[DailyObserver]

You have moved artfully from quoting what is definitely in the brochure to what is PROBABLY in the warranty. Those are two very different things.

You have also dodged my question about whether you are associated with Triton or anyone receiving money from them in any fashion.

Have you seen Bill O'Reilly's NO SPIN zone????? Now I am even more curious as to whether you are associated with Triton or anyone receiving money from them in any fashion.

[Husky]

I did not see the question regarding being associated with Triton.

The answer is a definitive NO. I am not associated with, sponsored by, or even friends with, ANY boat or motor manufacturers.

I "artfully dodged" with the warranty statement as an afterthought. I read Tritons warranty about a year and a half ago when boat shopping and from what I can remember, they do not cover gell coat cracks, and require the purchaser to provide transportation costs to the factory for warranty repairs performed there. Most companies state the latter although many companies eat the cost when the boat is repaired under warranty. I am going from memory, which is usually good, but added the disclaimer to cover myself.

It is interesting how the question of affiliation with Triton comes up when one doesn't proclaim total agreement with the boat owner. I hope Hookin get his new hull--they shouldn't crack like that. Boats should also not come back from the factory needing repair. In order to make the system (legal) work for him, he needs to jump through all the hoops required too, and I feel that includes getting the boat back to the factory. The situation as is, is a stalemate, and I'm afraid the ball is in his court.

[DailyObserver]

Thanks for the reply on your affiliation. I accept your statement.

However, I would also be grilling someone who APPEARED to dodge a question which would have pointed out affiliation with Hookin. So, not all of us are ANTI-big-manufacturer.

[Husky]

Understood...

heres my take on boat manufacturers in general.

It is an industry that simply has not changed much over the years. When boats were simply occasional use, little tubs you would go out and drown a few worms with, a repair/service was not a high priority. After all, it was "just a boat", a recreational thing that people don't center their lives (or should I say pastimes) around. Over the years, boats have evolved in complexity and cost, where today a guy spending that kind of money not only wants a good product, but wants superior service and warranty coverage. No putting things on the back burner for a month (or six) before the situation gets settled. Think how a car owner would feel if they said your car had to be returned to the factory for six months for warranty work. Or it had to be sent there and someone would look at it within the new few weeks! Most people would be livid. Its my opinion boat manufacturers need to step up to the plate and provide better communication and service of their product. To me, this is their greatest failure.

[DailyObserver]

We agree.

And, if they don't address this issue of service and quality, I am certain manufacturers of other nations will step in and do it. Then we will see the same things happen to our boating industry that has happened with our steel industry, our lumber industry, and our automobile industry. We can already see this happening in the purchase of outboard motors. I have to admit my next motor will be a Yamaha, based on what I see on this board.

Good day. I enjoyed our exchanges.

[hookins friend]

LET it go! All you idoits with your speculation,an personal attacks on someone and something you have no clue about make me want to PUKE!

Hookin has everthing under control!The guy just wanted to know if anyone else had a problem in the first place!He is now enjoying his summer fishing out of my boat!

When this is all resolved YOU will here what happened in the end,UNTIL then LEAVE your rummors&and B.S. out of this matter!


P.S I DO KNOW THE WHOLE STORY!!!

[hookins friend]

Well then lets here the story. Were you the (friend) that was going to buy his boat with the 12ft. crack? Friends don't sell friends boats with cracks. Your thread makes me puke! Tell your friend to speak up and fill us in on what his thinking was on trying to sell a boat with defects.

[hookin]

Yes the boat is listed in the classifieds. Has been listed there since about mid winter. I was hoping that it would be repaired and ready for resale by this past spring. That was not the case and the boat obviously is not for sale. I wouldn't do that to anyone. I wouldn't even consider running the boat. Just to keep you updated the boat should be going back to the factory soon. One of you guys out there suggested having the boat surveyed. I don't remember who you are but thank you. It took a while to find a surveyor but I finally did and had that done last week. Just finished taking off all my equipment from the boat (electronics, etc.) Now Triton can have it back. For those of you who are observant you would have noticed that boat was also for sale the winter of 00/01. That was the winter it went back to the factory for repairs. Hoped it would come back in good shape so I could sell it. Came back from the factory cracked again. I wouldn't sell it that spring either. Couldn't have sold it even if I would have tried. Will keep you updated when there is anything to report.Thanks

[Anon]

Ohh man.... best of luck in getting it sorted out. What a bummer to have to go through. I could imagine how going through something like this would make you crazy.

[DailyObserver]

Ok JimU,

Time to read Hookin's post #30 and then apologize. If you can start a witch hunt, you ought to be man enough to apologize.

[Jim U]

DailyObserver, Are you kidding me? Why would I apoligize. He still put the boat in the classifieds to be sold when it was broken. He planned to have the boat fixed and then sell it. How would he know it would be fixed and be in (excellent condition). The ad should never have said that. Sounds like the boat has never been in exc. condition. I think he should apoligize for false advertizing. Call Scott and pull the ad that would be the correct thing to do.

[DailyObserver]

You know, JimU, you are one of those folks who "could find fault with Christ himself" as I have seen it worded in other posts. The guy was running an ad intending to sell a repaired boat ... planning on it being repaired when he got it back.

If you read posts from newbies on here asking about selling their boats and from old-timers giving them advice you will see that some boats take 5 months or more to sell.

There is nothing wrong with Hookin's ad. When he realized the boat was not in good condition, he decided not to sell the boat. Yah, he probably should have pulled the post. But you are still way out of line on this, bud!!

[Al]

IF Triton warranty is lifetime and transferable, then the point should be lost on if he sells it. He could make someone a good deal just to unload it. Either way, if they are as customer oriented as claimed, they would honor the warranty to the second purchasor.

[Hawgeye]

If the crack is covered under warranty and Triton is a good boat company, then you would expect the boat to be "excellent" after they fix it. THAT IS THE POINT OF THIS WHOLE THREAD! That is why there is this discussion, it was fixed to be in excellent condition. If I send a boat to the factory to be repaired, I expect it to come back as good as new and I would not hesitate to advertise the boat on the classifieds before I see it back from the factory. I too would expect it to come back as good as new.

Unless there are untruths from what Hookin is saying, he has done nothing wrong.

[TECK]

When the bashing starts it alway seams to be a guest user.

[Jim U]

First, I find nothing wrong with Christ at all. You just can't seem to get the point can you. He should have waited until the boat came back from the factory, observed the repair then placed the ad. He had already stated that each time he had work done it came back with more problems. Teck, being a guest user has nothing to do with this topic. Whether someone is a big fancy charter member or guest user has nothing to do with ones opinion on this matter.

[DailyObserver]

JimU,
You wrote
>Teck, being a guest user has nothing to do with this topic. Whether >someone is a big fancy charter member or guest user has nothing to >do with ones opinion on this matter.

He didn't say you had to be a "big fancy charter member". In fact, he is not a charter member himself. If you take the time to look at his name on the post you will see that.

So, now you have an additional error to address besides apologizing for calling a man a Liar. Hookin refuted your claims in his post 30 in this thead.

[Andy K]

Of course, that way everyone doesn't have access to their Email address.

[OppositeView]

Jim,
I was going to sell a house 15 years ago. About 6 months before I placed the ad, I had some patio installation done. The installer sloped it wrong (contrary to what was specified in the contract) and it drained toward my basement wall. This was unnoticed by me. That was in August. In December during some rain, snow, thaw, freez cycles, my basement wall snapped in two all the way from the top to the bottom in a zig-zag following the concrete blocks.

I asked an attorney if I had to notify the potential buyer even though I was contracting with a reputable firm to fully repair the damage. My attorney said "You are taking the steps to repair the damage and are doing it in good faith. No, you do not have to tell them. Hang onto your paper work in case something does go wrong and you will be fine."

The work involved digging all along the wall with a backhoe, installing supporting rod vertically down the length of the concrete blocks, cementing those rods in, backfilling along the wall with stone, and putting new sod in. It was extensive and costly.

It sounds to me like the same situation that Hookin' was in. He was expecting his repair to be fine and make the boat whole. I did not stop advertising my house and eventually sold it. Frankly in my opinion that wall will stand long after the rest of the houses in that area (and you and me) turn to dust.

FYI. Hookin' had a right to do what he did the way he did it. Had he painted the boat and sold it unfixed, that would be a different matter.

[Husky]

Thanks for saying it that way Hawgeye, I've been biting my lip and about to say the same thing myself.

[Husky]

When the bashing starts it alway seams to be a guest user....

Because we see Guest does that prevent a registered user from posting under "Guest"?? I don't think so! Under the guise of Guest it might be found that there are some registered users when the bashing starts. I think making those kind of assumptions might be flawed in the end, and paint those of us who regularly use a guest logon and contribute positively in the wrong light.

[Fishtail]

Husky
You're a "Guest User". Aren't you calling the kettle black?
Fishtail

[Husky]

You need to read the posts. I was saying not all guest posters are bashers, and that using a guest posting can be done by ANYONE, including those who are registered. Nope not calling the kettle black, since I am not registered, Just pointng out what must not be so obvious to some.