: cracking in transom of Tracker Targa 2000


Tom Ogorchock
06-13-2003, 01:39 PM
I am an attorney in Wisconsin representing a fisherman who purchased a Tracker Targa 2000, model year 2000. The boat developed cracks in the transom. Has anyone experienced similar problems with that boat, or does anyone know of anyone who has experienced similar problems? Our information is that this is not an isolated problem. Thanks for your help.

Toolman
06-13-2003, 01:55 PM
Where were the cracks located and were they in the gel coat or in the fiberglass? What motor is on the boat?

On a related topic. Has anyone with another brand of glass boat (with the built-in set-back) had/seen this occur?

Tim

Tom Ogorchock
06-13-2003, 02:16 PM
The cracking was in the fiberglass. Unfortunately, I don't know the type of motor that was used. I'll post it if I find out. By the way, if anyone would rather send a confidential reply, our e-mail address is MandOLaw@aol.com. Thanks again.

Tom P
06-13-2003, 05:44 PM
Like the post above said, is it a gelcoat crack or a deep crack that goes into the plywood or composite transom material? Can anyone tell us what kind of material the transom is made out of? As his attorney, what have your local experts said? Have you gone to a couple of specialty fiberglass repair shops to get opinions on whether or not it is a deep crack or gelcoat cracking. Did the boat have a jackplate on it?

perchjerker
06-13-2003, 07:25 PM
Sounds like the makings of a troll....

dmmoore
06-13-2003, 09:03 PM
I have sold many of these boats and have not seen this problem on the Targa 2000 or the Targa 1900. I currently fish with guys who are running them and have had no problems with cracks. All these boats are running with 225 optimax and kickers on the transom. Seen many of them on some of the worst water( SAGINAW BAY) and have not seen any problems. Douglas Moore Tracker Marine Boat Centers MI

Tom P
06-13-2003, 09:27 PM
Nope, It's not a Yar-Craft ;)

REW
06-14-2003, 01:09 AM
Why in the world would an attorney be representing a fellow who happened to have a crack in his boat.
Send the boat to tracker and get the boat fixed or get a new boat.

Too many folks thing that they have to get crazy when simple little things happen.

Take care and be safe
REW

Pro-v
06-14-2003, 10:40 PM
Spoken like a true dealer.Its a little thing to a dealer who did not pay $20,000 or better for a boat.That was a bad statement.

MK
06-15-2003, 08:47 AM
Great, just what we need, ambulance chasers advertising for business on a fishing website. I'm sure he's trying to "help the little guy" when he puts 80-90% of any settlement in his and his partners pockets and the little guy keeps the rest. The boat owners will get a coupon for a fishing lure and the lawyers will get millions in fees.

Trolling for suckers for a class action lawsuit, sounds like to me.

If he had a decent case, he wouldn't be advertising.

The Goose
06-15-2003, 09:49 AM
MK - My thoughts exactly, but you were being generous by stating the boat owners might get a fishing lure coupon.

TARGA20
06-15-2003, 08:39 PM
THE CRACKS ARE LOCATED IN THE SET BACK AND GO ALL THE WAY THE WAY THREW THE GLASS IT ALSO CAUSED MOTOR FAILURE.

water rat
06-15-2003, 11:11 PM
Targa, glass??????? in the transom??????

Tom P
06-16-2003, 05:22 AM
Motor failure????? Did the crack start in the transom and proceed into the engine block? :)

Dutchman
06-16-2003, 06:12 AM
What's Trackers responce? This should be a warrantee issue. For those that have not had major unsolvable problems with a boat manufacturer hiring an attorney may be a nessessary pathway to get to a resolution. I had to years ago, and without the attorney I most likely would not have gotten a resolution satisfactory for me. (Replaced boat) Most states have lemon laws, If there has been any attempts to repair this problem and the attempts have failed 3 times (as in my case) the boat manufacturer may have limitataions,and the consumer has the right to demand replacement of the unrepairable hull. That's if you play your cards right. If this boat owner is not the original owner and the warrantee was not transfered you're in a bad situation. Targas are great boats, but in any line of boats there are bad ones. Check out this web site www.nitroowners.com This web site is for Nitro and Tracker owners. There may be someone there with similar issues....




" Fishing is the pursuit of what is elusive but attainable, a perpetual series of occasions for hope "

Original AL
06-16-2003, 06:19 AM
I'm no fan of lawyers, but you guys on here should know that there are many dealers out there who make things tough for guys who have newer boats, and don't service them. Now you think this is an ambulance chasing issue? Did it ever occur to you that it might be something like "Hookin's Triton" where he got put off until it came to the point of lawsuit threats? IF the consumer is getting forked, I saw stick em back.At least the guy isn't inquiring about anyone else being burned by McDonald's coffee.

Husky
06-16-2003, 06:58 AM
Lemon laws, commonly used for automobiles do NOT always apply to boats. That is the case in Michigan. So a purchaser of a boat many times does not have this recours

No one lnows whether this issues has been in progress with the manufacturer, or as some of the posters have eluded to, a "troll".
We are simply not provided with enough information to react one way or another.

SAM
06-16-2003, 08:58 AM
I agree 100%. In fact, I am shocked by some of the idiot responces this guy has been given.

Did any of you ever stop for one second to think that maybe this guy is just trying to do what he was hired to do, resolve a dispute for his client? If the crack is representative of a widespread problem with this particular boat, then finding that out would be helpful in negotiation of a proper resolution.

Say you buy a boat for $20K and the transom falls apart in 6 months. You call the dealer and the mfg and they both tell you to get lost. What are you going to do? What if you don't have the $5K+ it would take to get this matter to an arbitration or trial?

MK
06-16-2003, 09:24 AM
Yes, we're all shocked!! The trial lawyers are just trying to save the world and some of us are skeptical. Shame on us.

Get rid of the 40-50%+ contingency fees plus expenses for the parasites and maybe some of us skeptics will be have a change of heart. They've perverted the American legal system into the new LOTTO.

Original AL
06-16-2003, 09:40 AM
Look, I said I'm no fan of lawyers, but if the manf. dropped the ball, what's the guy to do? Eat the boat on your principles? I don't like accountants either, but to figure my taxes, file quarterly etc., I have to get one. It would take me forever to file without him. Just cause I dislike his profession doesn't mean I don't need him.

I went to high school with a person who is now a lawyer. We kid him about lawyer jokes, even though he is a genuine, and nice guy. One time he said something that makes a lot of sense. "If everyone or every company did what they should, I'd be out of a job." Maybe a fisherman has tried every route, and got no satisfaction. The law is his last resort. SHould he consult with you before he gets a lawyer? Who are you Johnny Morris?

MK
06-16-2003, 11:57 AM
I have no complaint with a lawyer trying to right some perceived wrong, but trolling for more business (ambulance chasing) is where the line gets crossed.

As I said, if the boat owner has a good case, the lawyer shouldn't have to be advertising for more business.

Tom Ogorchock
06-16-2003, 01:25 PM
Thanks for some of the helpful responses I got to my original post. I'll talk to my client and get more info. about how far the cracks extend, etc. However, I do know they extend into the fiberglass, making the boat unusable at this time. As far as the purpose of my post, I am simply (as a few of you thought) simply looking for info. as to whether or not this has been a recurring problem for this boat. I am not trolling for new business at all. My client has a $30,000 boat he can not use, has had his warranty claim denied for reasons I, for obvious reason (I assume Tracker montiors this site) can not discuss, and wants his boat fixed or replaced. I've gotten pretty thick skinned over the years and take no offense to lawyer bashing. Again, any info. that anyone has would be very helpful to my client - not just to me. I'll post more info. after I get it from my client. Thanks again.

Dean C.
06-17-2003, 12:34 PM
I happend to know the tracker owner who is in despute about the targa 2000. Here is what I know and this is not speculation. The crack is in the corner of the set back on both sides, it is through the gel coat and into the glass and is unable to be repaired to original condition per a fiberglass specialist that is not associated with tracker in any way. The motor damage was caused to the mounting plate of the 225 merc (it cracked do to the flex in the transom ) this was shown to the merc tech, and he said it was do to the excessive flexing in the transom. The owner has tried the usual channels the get this resolved ie. dealer then through tracker directly and now his last resort was to get a lawyer because Tracker for the last 7 months wouldn't return his calls so you can see why a lawyer is involved. Also this is a warrenty issue but tracker has come back with a letter 7 months ago stating they wouldn't do the work. And He dosent know why? The reason for the lawyers post is to see if this problem is a common problem with other tracker owners and the lawyer is not doing this case on contingency he is being paid for service out of the owners pocket. So if any one could offer any help it would be greaty appreciated, because it would be nice to go fishing again with my friend this year. I sold my boat last year and have only been able to fish with him now thats not happening because of the boat being unsafe to go out in. In response to the tracker dealer who stated he has not seen any cracks in the transoms of the boats on saginaw bay he is LYING out of 7 trackers that I know personally 5 have had cracks in the transoms and 1 needs glass work in the rear half of the boat.

Original AL
06-17-2003, 08:42 PM
Just as I suspected. The boat graveyard at the plant must be full again.Goober turned the phone off.

Joe Dealer.
06-17-2003, 09:24 PM
I have never understood why you guys always want to blame the dealer for a manufacturer's warranty problem. Most any dealer does everything and anything he can to make things right, but, he can only do what the manufacturer will allow.
Ever notice how dealers will mysteriously drop a brand of boat or motor? Usually it is right after he got stiffed a time or two by the manufacturer who would not stand behind their warranty and it put the dealer in an unsavory, unwanted, unfair, and embarassing position. I have been in that position with brands I no longer carry. A consumer has every right to get upset when something he bought breaks. But, just remember the dealer had to buy that piece of equipment first. Also, he had to buy all the tools to fix that product, send his employees to schools for that product, he spent money to advertise the product and thought he had a company that was going to back him up.
When the product fails, he goes to bat for the consumer. He wants the problem fixed. He does all he can only to get dumped on by some manufacturer. Dealers of Outboard Marine Corporation in 1999, 2000 and 2001 Ficht engines can relate to this. God only knows how badly dealers wanted those engines covered by warranty. But, even God could not have built enough powerheads to keep all of them going. OMC is gone and they took some dealers with them.
Just so you know. Dealers are consumers, too, and with a lot more at stake than you will ever know. The dealer did not build the product, he only can fix it, and when warranty is involved he can only cover what the manufacturer will approve. If the manufacturer stiffs him, the dealer is screwed!

gregr
06-17-2003, 11:11 PM
not to mention the lost time on the water

Kevin B
06-18-2003, 02:03 AM
I do not have a Targa. But I do have a Tracker. One month before the warratny ran out (that's 4 years and 11 months of use) the transom cracked on my boat. The plywood cracked. When I throttled up, I thought the transom, motor, and all, was going to rip off the boat. I informed tracker, they wanted me to bring it back to them in Springfield. I declined that drive. They told me which dealer to take it to, and replaced the transom at no cost to me. The dealer billed Tracker something like $950. This was in 1994. The replaced transom is still holding up.

If I can be of assistance, feel free to email me. I might still have the paper trail from Tracker.

tracker owner
06-18-2003, 09:27 AM
I Have owned targa's for 7 years now. I have known a boat or two to crack , but let me tell you I have seen every brand and model crack also including, rangers, triton, tracker,crestliner and lund.If this in fact is a warrentee issue and not neglect or abuse, tracker will stand behind there boat in most cases it will be stronger than when it come of the floor. I speek from experience of fiberglass repair.

spindrift
06-18-2003, 12:39 PM
what, nobody bashing warrior today for hull cracks?

Toolman
06-18-2003, 12:43 PM
The day isn't done yet!;-)

Bushwkr
06-18-2003, 04:58 PM
Yes, this problem has been discussed on WC in the past. Freighters dumping bilge water into the Great Lakes, have planted a new strain of freshwater shrimp.
Just like the introduction of zebra mussels and other non-native species, the changes to the ecology have not yet been fully understood.
Global warming and pollution have mutated the shrimps genes and this shrimp has somehow developed sharp teeth and a taste for fiberglass boats!
The cracks you see are actually the "tracks" the shrimp create as they feed!

As everyone knows, global warming, unregulated international shipping (free trade), pollution, big business, and the Republicans are to blaime.
The problem started shortly after Bush stole the election, but it is suspected to be the work of an evil cabal of big business and the Republican congress.
Fiberglass boats are going to be dropped from many manufactures line ups and more aluminum models will be available soon.

Just joking fellas,
Hope you can get that boat back on the water soon!