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Old 03-16-2017, 11:57 AM
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Data I went off of was a lightly loaded 619FS 225 v-rod at WOT, no kicker, half tank of fuel 21p tempest was only reaching 5800 rpm's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYmq0uqK8ak

Do you guys have any different data you could share to support what your saying? I know the Bravos run 1-1.5 pitch higher than the tempest to be equal in rpm's, however, you load the boat down with equipment, kicker, full tank, ect then take into effect that the 21 tempest isn't reaching ideal rpms at wot to begin with without a load.

A 19p tempest seems more realistic to get a baseline from.

Hope its close anyway.

Is the Bravo LT not as cupped as the Bravo FS? I agree That a 21 might be right on, just not sure on a 22..but with a jack plate possibly..

If I were in your shoes, I would phone Scott Reichow at Mercury Racing. He is very knowledgable. He is also generous with his time. All I can tell you is every time he has made a recommendation for me it has been a home run. They are not just about speed, Scott will assist you to get the performance you are looking for out of your boat. If you do it soon enough your dealer will likely swap out the base prop for the one you actually need.
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Old 03-16-2017, 12:59 PM
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If I were in your shoes, I would phone Scott Reichow at Mercury Racing. He is very knowledgable. He is also generous with his time. All I can tell you is every time he has made a recommendation for me it has been a home run. They are not just about speed, Scott will assist you to get the performance you are looking for out of your boat. If you do it soon enough your dealer will likely swap out the base prop for the one you actually need.
Any idea how to get a number or email address? Thanks!
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Old 03-16-2017, 02:37 PM
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This is some great info. I have watched that video any number of times.

Question: When will I be asked (if at all) what prop I want on it? Is this mostly a dealer install thing or is the factory involved?
Most likely, you won't be asked. Ranger props the boat according to their testing data from what I've read. The tempest I think is a good all purpose prop and will probably do most everything satisfactory. You have to get your dealer to work with you if you want it changed. I would definitely take the advice to contact Mercury racing. I took a gamble, but my boat was a floor model. Didn't have that opportunity.

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Up until now I was only considering 3 blade props but it sounds like the newer 4 blade props aren't the compromise they normally would be. Would love a 60 mph boat but think that might be optimistic for the 225. Hope I am wrong.
4 blades have come along way, especially when they are tweaked from Mercury right out of the box to perform well on these hulls. Going from a 3 to a 4 on these boats is a drastic change in all around performance. My last boat I actually gained 3 mph, holeshot, and way better handling when cornering. The boat rode more level on plane, and I could run the prop higher in the water which reduced drag and also improved slip. Now you take that same 4 blade and have a prop guy really dial it in, there's nothing to be lost over a 3 IMO.

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Old 03-16-2017, 05:52 PM
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Most likely, your u won,t be asked. Ranger props the boat according to their testing data from what I've read. The tempest I think is a good all purpose prop and will probably do most everything satisfactory. You have to get your dealer to work with you if you want it changed. I would definetly take the advice to contact Mercury racing. I took a gamble, but my boat was A on the floor model. Didn't have that opportunity.



4 blades have come along way, especially when they are tweaked from mercury right out of the box to perform well on these hulls. Going from a 3to a 4 on these boats is a drastic change in all around performance. My last boat I actually gained 3mph, holeshot, and way better handling when cornering. The boat rode more level on plane, and I could run the prop higher in the water which reduced drag and also improved slip. Now you take that same 4 blade and have a prop guy really dial it in, there's nothing to be lost over a 3 I feel.
I'm sure Ranger will put a great prop on it even if I don't get to choose. Plan on contacting Scott soon to get his input.
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Old 03-16-2017, 06:08 PM
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I'm sure Ranger will put a great prop on it even if I don't get to choose. Plan on contacting Scott soon to get his input.
Ranger will give you a middle of the road, all round solid performer. However they have no clue what you want your boat to do. Not everybody is looking for top end speed. Not everybody loads there boat with the same amount of gear. Once you have spoken to Scott and got the prop you really need to make your boat do what you want, then look at having someone like DAH or Croxton tweak your prop for even better performance. The cost to do the customizing is very reasonable and you now have a set up that is exactly what you want. Good luck with your rig.
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Old 03-17-2017, 08:02 AM
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Ranger will give you a middle of the road, all round solid performer. However they have no clue what you want your boat to do. Not everybody is looking for top end speed. Not everybody loads there boat with the same amount of gear. Once you have spoken to Scott and got the prop you really need to make your boat do what you want, then look at having someone like DAH or Croxton tweak your prop for even better performance. The cost to do the customizing is very reasonable and you now have a set up that is exactly what you want. Good luck with your rig.
What are some of the typical tweaks that people have done?
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What are some of the typical tweaks that people have done?

I had the following done:

added extra cupping
sharpened the leading edge of the blades
pro polished

it does make a bit of difference I must say

FWIW- I had Ricky Besmehn from Brainerd Props perform the work

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Old 03-17-2017, 08:57 AM
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I run a 619FS with Yamaha 225, 5.5" manual jack plate and kicker. My boat came with a 21p Tempest, dealer exchanged with 19p Tempest after test run.

I tried a lot of props last year at various motor heights. 19p Tempest, 19p Rev4, 20p and 20.5p Bravo FS, 20p Saltwater, 21p Pro Series. From running different props all of 2016 I noticed every prop performs a little differently. The Tempest lifts the bow a lot, the Bravo lifts the whole boat, the Pro Series does a little of both. If you're running rough water a lot you will prefer the Bravo over the Tempest as it controls the bow better. If you're not running much rough water you might prefer the Tempest or another 3 blade.

As for RPM's, the 19P Tempest spun the most RPM's, the 19p Rev4 and 20.5p Bravo the fewest. The 20p Bravo FS spun slightly less than the 19P Tempest but the jack plate could have been raised more.

As for speed, the only way I see the 619FS hull reaching 60mph is with a large pitch prop, lower than ideal RPMs and poor hole shot, or the 225 flashed to 250 or 300HP. From my experience it is a 54-57mph boat with a kicker, 50 gallons of fuel and loaded for fishing. If speed is all you're after there are other boats with much higher HP capacity! The boat fishes very nice.

As for my prop choice? I own the 19p Tempest, 20P Bravo FS and the 21p Pro Series props. I haven't settled on any prop yet as I need more time on the water with the 21p Pro Series. I would like to try a 20p Bravo LT sometime this year to see if the long tube provides more bow lift than the FS. My hunch is I will run the 21p Pro Series the most. It has the largest pitch of all the props I tried and the smallest diameter. It had the highest slip % in the calculator but ran very nice with the Yamaha. It is my fastest prop. The 20p Bravo is 2nd fastest (1mph less).

I think a 20p or 20.5p Bravo FS or LT would be a great all-around prop to try on the Verado and 619FS. It would provide good hole shot, good bow control, good boat lift and good speed in the mid 50's. I think anything over a 21p Bravo would be too much prop for that boat and motor.

Good luck and have fun with your new rig. I learned a lot about props in one summer!
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