Some good news on crossing the border...

[Juls]

[QUOTE=JinxCanada;1394196]I have not seen anything in writing..but if I'm wrong...I'll say so.[/QUOTE]


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[JinxCanada]

[quote=Juls;1394202][URL]http://www.kenoradailyminerandnews.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3468347[/URL] is this what you're looking for?[/quote]


Well..that's a news report. I'm looking for the actual rules, but I'm sure I"ll get those at work. It should be noted that no where does it say that a DUI is going to be considered a "minor" offense. what is says is...

[B]one person’s Drinking Under the Influence or other outdated infractions[/B]

not sure what that means exactly. It seems as though this is true, but...it is very unclear as to what offenses will be considered "minor".

Also, you should note that it says only that they MAY waive the fee for a TRP, not that they WILL waive it.

[B]It will also give Canada Border Services Agency the discretion to waive fees for certain cases in issuing Temporary Resident Permits. [/B]

This is a very interesting change...and yes, apparently I was wrong. We certainly are the last to know...


The biggest thing that worries me is this.... [B] Under the Tourism Facilitation Action Plan, Americans with a single indictable offence in their criminal histories, for which they served less than six months in jail, are less likely to be turned back at the border.

[/B]There are LOTS of offenses for which someone might serve less than 6 months in the USA such as possession of child pornography, possession of felony narcotics, assault & battery etc etc. It's not just all about someone having a DUI.

[bluegussler]

:stirthepot:[quote=JinxCanada;1394211]Well..that's a news report. I'm looking for the actual rules, but I'm sure I"ll get those at work. It should be noted that no where does it say that a DUI is going to be considered a "minor" offense. what is says is...

[B]one person’s Drinking Under the Influence or other outdated infractions[/B]

not sure what that means exactly. It seems as though this is true, but...it is very unclear as to what offenses will be considered "minor".

Also, you should note that it says only that they MAY waive the fee for a TRP, not that they WILL waive it.

[B]It will also give Canada Border Services Agency the discretion to waive fees for certain cases in issuing Temporary Resident Permits. [/B]

This is a very interesting change...and yes, apparently I was wrong. We certainly are the last to know...


The biggest thing that worries me is this.... [B]Under the Tourism Facilitation Action Plan, Americans with a single indictable offence in their criminal histories, for which they served less than six months in jail, are less likely to be turned back at the border.[/B]

There are LOTS of offenses for which someone might serve less than 6 months in the USA such as possession of child pornography, possession of felony narcotics, assault & battery etc etc. It's not just all about someone having a DUI.[/quote]




Would you like a side dish with the crow?

[Mark R]

- key things to note: 1)it has to be legally considered "minor criminality" and 2) only be one offence.


would having kiddy porn or felon drug conviction or asualt & battery be considered a "minor crininality" if so I guess they can go fishing in Canada. If not turn them back.

[J-Man]

[quote=JinxCanada;1394211]Well..that's a news report. I'm looking for the actual rules, but I'm sure I"ll get those at work. It should be noted that no where does it say that a DUI is going to be considered a "minor" offense. what is says is...


The biggest thing that worries me is this.... [B]Under the Tourism Facilitation Action Plan, Americans with a single indictable offence in their criminal histories, for which they served less than six months in jail, are less likely to be turned back at the border.[/B]

There are LOTS of offenses for which someone might serve less than 6 months in the USA such as possession of child pornography, possession of felony narcotics, assault & battery etc etc. It's not just all about someone having a DUI.[/quote]

For crying out loud, Jinx. This is where the discretion SHOULD be exercised. I seriously doubt any resort operator would complain about a convicted drug dealer or kiddie porn collector being refused entry at the border. Surely you and your co-workers can do a better job of using your discretion (than many CBSA officers have done in the past) to weed out those that really dont deserve to be allowed to freely cross internation borders.

[J-Man]

[quote=oleJoe;1394189]OK Thats sounds reasonable.........But can we bring raw poatoes in????? LOL[/quote]

Hey OJ,

They relaxed the spuds law last year too. Maybe it was a trial run for this initiative.

Keep your spuds in orginal commercial packaging and you are ok. You can't dig them from the garden or haul them from the farm.

Didnt leave any discretion to our CBSA officers on that one. No excuse for them not knowing what to do in that situation!!

:rant:

[counterguy]

I for one am super excited if this is true. I used to go to Ontario 2 to 3 times a summer for many years. I used to take anywhere from 2 to 6 guys with me everytime I went, depending on if anyone else had a boat. We can fish 4 out of my boat pretty easy. We always stayed at the same resort. It is a small family owned resort that depends on us (Americans) to make a go of it. Each guy I brought with me has a wallet. We never ever took alcohol in the boat. The rule for us was beer stays at camp, and its the law.

Then 6 1/2 years ago I got stopped and got a DUI. I had 2 beers after work in a short period of time. It is the only time I have ever been stopped my whole life. I agree I probably should have gotten a ride. If anyone tells me they have never drank 2 beers and drove home they are lying. They just didn't get caught. Everyone is entitled to make mistakes, its the ones who don't learn from them are the ones who have a problem.

I am not a criminal. I live in a nice house in a nice nieborhood. I own my own business and have never been unemployed. I am married and have 2 children. I have never done drugs or committed any other crime. I am not a criminal.

Present... I have not even tried to cross the border for 6 years. The resort has lost all the revenue I used to bring in for 6 years. This rule affects his wallet and all the other resorts that sit half occupied all summer because of the DUI rule. Violent and career criminals dont fish anyways. The economy hasn't helped things either.

I talked to several people in my area today about this possible change and they all new someone who hasnt gone fishing in Ontario because of this. I think it is a good thing if it happens.

I used to look forward to my trips up north all year long as many of you do. I call it my happy place. I feel like a big injustice is being lifted. My son is now 15 and he asks me all the time. "How long is it till you can go to Canada again?" The last time he asked was 2 weeks ago and I said about 4 years. He said "Awww, but I will be out of highschool by the time you can go." It is those memories I don't want to miss.

Nothing bad can come out of this.

Thanks for reading this.
Jason

[Pikehunters]

[quote=JinxCanada;1394211]Well..that's a news report. I'm looking for the actual rules, but I'm sure I"ll get those at work. It should be noted that no where does it say that a DUI is going to be considered a "minor" offense. what is says is...

[B]one person’s Drinking Under the Influence or other outdated infractions[/B]

not sure what that means exactly. It seems as though this is true, but...it is very unclear as to what offenses will be considered "minor".

Also, you should note that it says only that they MAY waive the fee for a TRP, not that they WILL waive it.

[B]It will also give Canada Border Services Agency the discretion to waive fees for certain cases in issuing Temporary Resident Permits. [/B]

This is a very interesting change...and yes, apparently I was wrong. We certainly are the last to know...


The biggest thing that worries me is this.... [B]Under the Tourism Facilitation Action Plan, Americans with a single indictable offence in their criminal histories, for which they served less than six months in jail, are less likely to be turned back at the border.[/B]

There are LOTS of offenses for which someone might serve less than 6 months in the USA such as possession of child pornography, possession of felony narcotics, assault & battery etc etc. It's not just all about someone having a DUI.[/quote]

So you have a group going to an outpost camp & the only group on a lake. The only way in or out is by sea plane & one person has a dui 10 years prior you would turn them away. You are truly a dedicate country man way to go!!!!!!!!!!!!

[v-bay gord]

[QUOTE=counterguy;1394412]I for one am super excited if this is true. I used to go to Ontario 2 to 3 times a summer for many years. I used to take anywhere from 2 to 6 guys with me everytime I went, depending on if anyone else had a boat. We can fish 4 out of my boat pretty easy. We always stayed at the same resort. It is a small family owned resort that depends on us (Americans) to make a go of it. Each guy I brought with me has a wallet. We never ever took alcohol in the boat. The rule for us was beer stays at camp, and its the law.

Then 6 1/2 years ago I got stopped and got a DUI. I had 2 beers after work in a short period of time. It is the only time I have ever been stopped my whole life. I agree I probably should have gotten a ride. If anyone tells me they have never drank 2 beers and drove home they are lying. They just didn't get caught. Everyone is entitled to make mistakes, its the ones who don't learn from them are the ones who have a problem.

I am not a criminal. I live in a nice house in a nice nieborhood. I own my own business and have never been unemployed. I am married and have 2 children. I have never done drugs or committed any other crime. I am not a criminal.

Present... I have not even tried to cross the border for 6 years. The resort has lost all the revenue I used to bring in for 6 years. This rule affects his wallet and all the other resorts that sit half occupied all summer because of the DUI rule. Violent and career criminals dont fish anyways. The economy hasn't helped things either.

I talked to several people in my area today about this possible change and they all new someone who hasnt gone fishing in Ontario because of this. I think it is a good thing if it happens.

I used to look forward to my trips up north all year long as many of you do. I call it my happy place. I feel like a big injustice is being lifted. My son is now 15 and he asks me all the time. "How long is it till you can go to Canada again?" The last time he asked was 2 weeks ago and I said about 4 years. He said "Awww, but I will be out of highschool by the time you can go." It is those memories I don't want to miss.

Nothing bad can come out of this.

Thanks for reading this.
Jason[/QUOTE]

Jason....I agree 100%. It is ridiculous that you have be made to feel like a criminal at our border because of the way things have been enforced. I hope this is a beginning of positive changes and some common sense in the way things will be handled from now on.

[JinxCanada]

[quote=J-Man;1394382]For crying out loud, Jinx. This is where the discretion SHOULD be exercised. I seriously doubt any resort operator would complain about a convicted drug dealer or kiddie porn collector being refused entry at the border. Surely you and your co-workers can do a better job of using your discretion (than many CBSA officers have done in the past) to weed out those that really dont deserve to be allowed to freely cross internation borders.[/quote]


My point is only that you guys seem to think that this only applies to DUI's....where as I do not read the reports that way. I said it before...I"ll wait to see the "official" policy change before I worry too much about it. If this is purely for DUI convictions that's one thing...but that's not how it's being reported