I don't understand

[@Lunker]

"I'm surprised that Ontario and others have not banned crawlers - at least in the north. They are non-native and their is renewed interest in keeping them from forests."

Just out of curiosity.......where do those "Canadian crawlers" come from if they're not native?

As far as the original post, the same people who disregard the live bait laws are probably also shoplifters, DUI-ers, always exceed speed limits, and miscreants in general. I think, for the most part, people are either law-abiding, or look to bend / break it any time they have the opportunity.

[Paul H]

Originally Posted by @Lunker

"I'm surprised that Ontario and others have not banned crawlers - at least in the north. They are non-native and their is renewed interest in keeping them from forests."

Just out of curiosity.......where do those "Canadian crawlers" come from if they're not native?

As far as the original post, the same people who disregard the live bait laws are probably also shoplifters, DUI-ers, always exceed speed limits, and miscreants in general. I think, for the most part, people are either law-abiding, or look to bend / break it any time they have the opportunity.

Most come from Southern Ontario golf courses. Night crawlers are not native to any of NA. I've seen Robins in Northern Ontario and wondered what they eat,but what did thjey eat before the white man..


Here's a website from MN re: http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/invasives...rms/index.html

I’m sorry some of you guys can’t differentiate between a legitimate concern and a troll.

I want to emphasize that I have never heard anyone “brag” about circumventing Canadian fishing regulations and my post didn’t suggest that either. I suspect those that do circumvent the regulations are probably law abiding citizens in their everyday life, generally speaking. However, sometimes some visitors knowingly break the regulations. In addition to bait infractions, I’ve seen walleye intended for transport cleaned inappropriately (e.g. failure to keep the skin of the walleye fully intact when fishermen are taking walleye home from the province of Quebec).

I suspect that most outfitters know exactly what clients do and don’t do (garbage bins and fish gut pails provide much information). However, I also suspect that many outfitters are reluctant to speak to clients suspected of breaking fishing regulations for fear of losing clients. Besides I believe it is unfair to put the responsibility for enforcing the regulations on outfitters. Even though border guards can ask questions, I believe that the biggest strides can be gained through education.

As to why I chose to post as a guest rather than my normal handle, it was because I don’t need to endure verbal crap for years to come just because I raised a touchy subject.

I understand and accept that some of you have never seen anyone circumvent the regulations. I see that as positive information in that it potentially means that the problem is small scale as has been suggested by other posters.

[Obabikon]

I think your view of the average outfitter's position is incorrect.


I would much rather personally correct my guests on fishing regulations, rather than have an MNR officer write them a ticket for $400... then them turn around to me and say why didn't you tell me.


People in general (Americans and Canadians) aren't out looking to cheat the system. They don't typically break laws for the heck of it.

[Obabikon]

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodcons...rod_092379.pdf


Also, at $500 for smuggling in leeches, who's dumb enough to try?

[Pikeslayer8]

Originally Posted by Obabikon

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodcons...rod_092379.pdf


Also, at $500 for smuggling in leeches, who's dumb enough to try?

Heck no on smuggling leeches, but there was the time in my younger wilder years where I snuck in a thimbleful of soil in a flat of crawlers.


I do agree with one thing though. The title of this thread.

[rjbuckeye]

I've been coming to Canada every year for over sixty years and must say that most laws are followed. There's is always those who push it with a beer in the boat, etc. Night crawlers are native to Canada and can be found in the yard outside our cabin. I get asked every year if I'm bringing crawlers in and if in bedding!
The camp near our cabin has lost much business over the years and is just hanging on! Any more arguments about the laws will shut him down and all the others because the laws are so limiting. I won't come 2000 miles for a just a swim! I think the person who started this is wanting to swim alone!

[AllenW]

Well, if your not a troll you must be hitting the Canadian hate Americans forums, nobody I have known for the over 35+ years of going to Canada would take a chance smuggling bait into Canada, or anybody I've talked to for that fact.

Considering the chance of getting searched for drugs, just doesn't seem worth it.

Does it happen, ya I suppose, but I watched two native Canadians repeatedly beat musky's and northern's to death with a paddle, then throw them back into the lake, so does that mean all Canadians are like that?
No, I don't think so.

Al

[v-bay gord]

Originally Posted by Just wondering

I’m sorry some of you guys can’t differentiate between a legitimate concern and a troll.

I want to emphasize that I have never heard anyone “brag” about circumventing Canadian fishing regulations and my post didn’t suggest that either. I suspect those that do circumvent the regulations are probably law abiding citizens in their everyday life, generally speaking. However, sometimes some visitors knowingly break the regulations. In addition to bait infractions, I’ve seen walleye intended for transport cleaned inappropriately (e.g. failure to keep the skin of the walleye fully intact when fishermen are taking walleye home from the province of Quebec).

I suspect that most outfitters know exactly what clients do and don’t do (garbage bins and fish gut pails provide much information). However, I also suspect that many outfitters are reluctant to speak to clients suspected of breaking fishing regulations for fear of losing clients. Besides I believe it is unfair to put the responsibility for enforcing the regulations on outfitters. Even though border guards can ask questions, I believe that the biggest strides can be gained through education.

As to why I chose to post as a guest rather than my normal handle, it was because I don’t need to endure verbal crap for years to come just because I raised a touchy subject.

I understand and accept that some of you have never seen anyone circumvent the regulations. I see that as positive information in that it potentially means that the problem is small scale as has been suggested by other posters.

I think the majority of outfitters educate and monitor their guests to make sure all laws and regulations are followed. I also know that most would not hesitate to "kick some arse" if a guest was flagrantly violating. Of course there is a small minority that probably look the other way, or just run a shoddy operation......these folk do not stay in business for very long. In the end "what goes around, comes around". I think if as a guest you are troubled by what is happening around you, you should speak up or contact the MNR about your concerns......they do have a toll free tip line. 1-877-TIPS-MNR (847-7667)

[HighTech]

Originally Posted by AllenW

Well, if your not a troll you must be hitting the Canadian hate Americans forums, nobody I have known for the over 35+ years of going to Canada would take a chance smuggling bait into Canada, or anybody I've talked to for that fact.

Considering the chance of getting searched for drugs, just doesn't seem worth it.

Does it happen, ya I suppose, but I watched two native Canadians repeatedly beat musky's and northern's to death with a paddle, then throw them back into the lake, so does that mean all Canadians are like that?
No, I don't think so.

Al

I have seen white people post stupitidy on the internet, but does that make all of them stupid?