Attended A Lake Asscociation Meeting Today!!! Not Happy With One Of The Statements

[eriksat1]

There are also plenty of midnight stocking of fish the dnr may not want, Muskie etc. done by lake shore owners as well as midnight brush piles and fish cribs in front of there houses. I won't even mention how many I see in the fall rake there leaves and pine needles down the hill towards the lake shore.

Originally Posted by eriksat1

I went to a Lake shore owners assoc. meeting once and most of the lake shore owners consider themselves lake owners.

Of course the lake shore property owners feel that they own the lake. It's a country club mentality. All outsiders are considered riff raff.

[Steven Pederson]

I'm getting a kick out of some of these replies. I grew up on a lake, and now live on a lake, my boat is a 1982, and my truck is a 1999.... funny thing is.... When i see a new boat being launched behind a new truck on the lake i think.... "Man that guy must have alot of money, i wish i could buy something like that."

People choose to spend their money in different ways. I wouldn't generalize someone who owns lake shore as being a snob.

Originally Posted by BigMoney

Of course the lake shore property owners feel that they own the lake. It's a country club mentality. All outsiders are considered riff raff.

Completely agree. I have seen it too many times.

Originally Posted by Steven Pederson

I'm getting a kick out of some of these replies. I grew up on a lake, and now live on a lake, my boat is a 1982, and my truck is a 1999.... funny thing is.... When i see a new boat being launched behind a new truck on the lake i think.... "Man that guy must have alot of money, i wish i could buy something like that."

People choose to spend their money in different ways. I wouldn't generalize someone who owns lake shore as being a snob.

BINGO!

As mentioned above... too easy to sit and type out senseless drivel. The DNR is clueless, the lake owners are all rich and want everyone off "their" lake. Come on you guys.

Let's apply a little thought... Guy "A" fishes a lake every day, knows a dozen or two guys that fish the lake frequently. He sees maybe one or two other boats go in and out every time he launches. Because of his affiliations he feels that, in general, the guys he knows are very conscientious about AIS problems and take very good care of their boats. Guy "B" sits at landings all day long and sees hundreds of boats go in and out. He asks the same questions every time to get a consistent set of data to get an idea of who is using the lake and how well they are following the recommendations to prevent the spread of AIS.

While guy "A" is not wrong in his observations, I would respectfully suggest that guy "B" has a far better set of empirical data from which to form an opinion.

My experience is that this is a problem in forums and society in general. Perception is reality to most of us. Unfortunately, perception is often a far too limited window on a bigger picture. The typical basher is the guy who sits in his house, looks at his neighbor to the left and sees a brick house, looks to the right and sees a brick house and posts that everyone in his neighborhood lives in a brick house. In this case, the DNR is the guy who actually bothers to go out and look at all 500 houses in that neighborhood and observes that only 20 of the 500 houses in the neighborhood are brick houses. Then the basher follows up by calling the DNR clueless and corrupt... obviously paid off by the rich people in all the brick houses.

[dutchboy]

Could it be that the non lake shore owners are feeling singled out as the cause of the spread of AIS?

I've never saw it posted anywhere talking about inspections of barges and the great lakes ships. I've never heard of the DNR going door to door of lake shore owners warning of the dangers of transporting invasives.

I've never read where beach goers are warned not to swim in more then one body of water a day.

AIS are here to stay, learn to deal with it. You won't stop the spread, you won't kill them once they arrive. Nature will deal them in the same manner she always has. Whether man can adapt remains to be seen.

Educate us the best you can, but don't think for a second I'm the only way these things move around.

Originally Posted by AnonymousUserGuy

BINGO!

As mentioned above... too easy to sit and type out senseless drivel. The DNR is clueless, the lake owners are all rich and want everyone off "their" lake. Come on you guys.

Let's apply a little thought... Guy "A" fishes a lake every day, knows a dozen or two guys that fish the lake frequently. He sees maybe one or two other boats go in and out every time he launches. Because of his affiliations he feels that, in general, the guys he knows are very conscientious about AIS problems and take very good care of their boats. Guy "B" sits at landings all day long and sees hundreds of boats go in and out. He asks the same questions every time to get a consistent set of data to get an idea of who is using the lake and how well they are following the recommendations to prevent the spread of AIS.

While guy "A" is not wrong in his observations, I would respectfully suggest that guy "B" has a far better set of empirical data from which to form an opinion.

My experience is that this is a problem in forums and society in general. Perception is reality to most of us. Unfortunately, perception is often a far too limited window on a bigger picture. The typical basher is the guy who sits in his house, looks at his neighbor to the left and sees a brick house, looks to the right and sees a brick house and posts that everyone in his neighborhood lives in a brick house. In this case, the DNR is the guy who actually bothers to go out and look at all 500 houses in that neighborhood and observes that only 20 of the 500 houses in the neighborhood are brick houses. Then the basher follows up by calling the DNR clueless and corrupt... obviously paid off by the rich people in all the brick houses.

You assume that individuals typing responses here have no experience on which to base their comments. I don't know where you live, but developments with brick houses tend to have brick houses where I live. I have never seen a development with two brick houses and one with vinyl siding right beween them. It just doesn't happen! Likewise, the majority of lakeshore property owners tend to have big money and stick together. I'm not talking about the guy who has a shack at the back of a remote bay on the lake or has a cabin 1 mile from the lake. And the DNR does not check everyone equally, they are mostly blaming the guys who trailer to the lake as "outsiders" responsible for the problem, because they are the easiest group to blame. Do you really think that the DNR harasses the guy with the million dollar mansion on the lake because he takes his boat to another body of water on the weekend and tends to fish "his" lake during the week. I don't think that individuals posting to this thread are being paranoid, I think they are being realistic.

[Gary Korsgaden]

My thoughts on some of this.

At The Meeting: Concerning Comments From The inspector: About Locals The Cause Of the Most Infractions: Here is why this comment concerns me. lst: How could the inspector identify locals thus the finger pointing. A better statement would of been: The majority of the infractions I have seen has been boats with plugs not out of the boat. With a comment instead like this would of isolated the issue and the means to resolve it. Like using a automatic boat draining plug/or painting the plug handle orange for easier visibility so at a glance the boater can see it. Or even a simple sticker as a reminder.

A Fargo Radio Station a News Clip " Sallie and Lake Melissa Lake Assc. close public access points to stop the spread of AIS. Wrong message, it vaildates the importance to the masses that to stop the spread of AIS we need to close accesses. A quote from the head of AIS awareness for the Pelican Lake ***. "We can put all the boulders we want to block and close access points it will not stop the spread of AIS. Instead it separates those that have and those that have not"

In our County we Have a AIS Task Force: Two of the individuals are to represent the fisherman. I encouraged them (which to date they haven't) to connect with the area fishing groups and clubs. this included FM Walleyes that have AIS right in their back yards. AIS is all of our concerns and if we are to be remotely successful it is important to include and think of everyone that enjoys our States water.

I want to point out that it was FM Walleyes a fishing club that connected with the show "Minnesota Bound" with Ron Schara, on ways to help prevent the spread AIS. No credit to me here the credit goes here to a fishing club.

Lake Groups are claiming reduction in property values: Well this is to be determined as well as the negative impacts of AIS.

I don't want AIS in our lakes any more then you, But it is best the public is to be informed and educated with the facts. Perhaps I give to many the benefit but feel education has worked best in other causes and is the best route to follow here.

Those of us that are well informed on AIS need to speak to others we come in contact with at access's, bait shops and public meetings.

I appreciate everyones comments here, thanks lets keep it going. I hope I have given some more food for thought. gary

Originally Posted by BigMoney

You assume that individuals typing responses here have no experience on which to base their comments.

Not quite. I assume that most individuals base their comments on very limited, mostly anecdotal experiences. There is a difference between you observing that your buddies all take out their boat plugs and drain their live wells and a person conducting an observational study of hundreds of boats at a landing.

Originally Posted by BigMoney

I don't know where you live, but developments with brick houses tend to have brick houses where I live. I have never seen a development with two brick houses and one with vinyl siding right beween them. It just doesn't happen! Likewise, the majority of lakeshore property owners tend to have big money and stick together. I'm not talking about the guy who has a shack at the back of a remote bay on the lake or has a cabin 1 mile from the lake.

You're taking my example a bit too literally.

Originally Posted by BigMoney

And the DNR does not check everyone equally...

Well, here is my anecdotal experience... I was checked again last night. The third time on the same lake by the same two young folks. The guy recognized my boat and checked it again nonetheless (which is fine... the time it takes is insignificant). I was not asked for a copy of my paycheck or a bank balance, nor were any of the other guys in the 7 boats with me. We were not asked if we had homes on the lake or if we belonged to lake associations. If you were putting your boat in at that landing, you were checked.

[eriksat1]

Originally Posted by Steven Pederson

I'm getting a kick out of some of these replies. I grew up on a lake, and now live on a lake, my boat is a 1982, and my truck is a 1999.... funny thing is.... When i see a new boat being launched behind a new truck on the lake i think.... "Man that guy must have alot of money, i wish i could buy something like that."

People choose to spend their money in different ways. I wouldn't generalize someone who owns lake shore as being a snob.

I'm not sure what Lake or mucky back bay you have your lake house on? But vacant build-able lake lots by me are selling for $400,000 and I know several people who had to sell because they couldn't keep up with the property taxes on there retirement.