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01-08-2009 03:20 PM
fishn magician
east west division

I hope AIM goes, and if it does I would sure like to see an East and West division. Possibly 3 tourneys each division. Top 25 from each division make the championship. Pros who fish all 6 tourneys get a chance in east and west at the top 25. If they are 70th in one division but 10th in the other, they are in. Just a thought to add to the already big pile.
01-07-2009 06:49 PM
Burr
Quote:
Originally Posted by fiddlestyx View Post
Measuring isn't that hard, trusting that everyone is measuring correctly is another thing. I just did a test to validate in my mind how fudging of length could occur. WHy? invest $1750 in a tourney and follow the rules only to have someone else win or beat you by ... not following them, not a confidence builder!

Took a stuffed fish (like you'd win at a fair) 18" used the common ruler we all use for validating length, The Judge, and held it on the board as we would do in a tourney, with 2 hands. I had a friend take three photos from over my right shoulder, maxxing the length of the fish to fill the frame (remember 18" means reletively close). After each photo I repositioned the fish without the photographer knowing, varying the length by over 1/2". I confirmed with my friend what the length was before each photo, after looking at the photos, I asked him to confirm that by the photos,and visual inspection before the shot, the longest length measurement was the right one, looking closely he did, zooming in on the tail and the head.

Why the length difference? the nose of the fish was off the board but undetectable by a photo, even zoomed in with a 14 megapixal camera on a 18" fish. Not only that it was verified by him prior to the pic and this person fishes tournaments but I didn't tell him what I was planning to do. Once I told him, he still couldn't tell the fish was 1/2" off the bump end of the bd from the photo.

Whats the point? co anglers are expected to be marshalls to validate the measurements, I counter that it doesn't make a difference who does it. When big money is involved people will do things to gain advantages that aren't neccessarily according to all the rules. If in a controlled environment, with an experienced tournament angler, I can vary my length by 1/2" on 1 fish, add it up, thats 2 1/2" per day,
or 7 1/2" per tourney! criticize my process if you will but it is reality folks. Smaller money tourneys would tempt less to fudge, but don't tell me it won't happen, it will!

Beat me fair and square, I'll pat you on the back and congratulate you and try that much harder the next time. But don't beat me on an unlevel playing field, I won't stoop to cheat to win. Unfortunately this format opens up the opportunity to fudge that we all hoped wouldn't happen.

Peace Love, Peace Love
Fiddle, I agree with a number of your concerns, "When big money is involved people will do things to gain advantages that aren't neccessarily according to all the rules." Your right, when bigger money is on the line, the exposure to bigger cheats exists.

However, history is full of those that have tried to conduct themselves in less than a professional manner. It's interesting how just a few years later, nobody knows their name.

That's one of the things I really admire about many of the pro's I've met on both the FLW and now defunct PWT. They have a great deal of integrity, and hold each other accountable.

The pro that decides to improve his finish by cheating - his career doesn't stand a chance among his peers. He might as well just hang it up now, cuz his plan will fail. He may get away with it once - but I'll bet he won't make it a year.

Then he'll just be another one that's in the sentence - "What ever happened toinsert name here.
01-07-2009 04:31 PM
Mark Dahl
Bigger picture

All of the biggest breakthroughs in history have been met with stiff opposition from all the people who "knew better". The vision here is obviosly much bigger than most of the posters here can get their arms around. You can snipe about the details (which are obviously not all worked out) but this will change tournament fishing for all time. The vision has to be bigger than the critics to survive. So to all the AIM guys - darn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.

Mark Dahl
NPAA #465
01-07-2009 04:10 PM
Juls
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Originally Posted by Modog View Post
I hope that you guys can 'civilly' raise some of your concerns during the live chat tonight.

I'm assuming that it's still a go, right Juls?
Yes, it is. Scott got the confirmation from Keith last night. It's scheduled to start at 7pm Central Time.

I haven't used the chat in years. This is a new one with new controls, and is much better than the old model in my opinion.

It should be fun... I think most people will be respectful and not cause trouble. We're all adults, right?

If not, we will kick them out and they will miss the entire chat.

All questions are welcome. Bad Manners and Bashing are not.

Thanks for the reminder 'Dog....suffering a head cold and I would have forgot.

See you there...

Juls
01-07-2009 03:28 PM
Gutterball
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Originally Posted by Modog View Post
I hope that you guys can 'civilly' raise some of your concerns during the live chat tonight.

I'm assuming that it's still a go, right Juls?
No chance any of the trolls show up on the chat tonight under their actual log ins.

Someone might figure out which two guys have been doing all the crying then
01-07-2009 03:21 PM
Modog
Live Chat with Keith K

I hope that you guys can 'civilly' raise some of your concerns during the live chat tonight.

I'm assuming that it's still a go, right Juls?
01-07-2009 03:08 PM
bbbbb
Another thought

In ND you can't put a walleye in the livewell and release it. In tournaments I have seen guy's trolling and catch a double so tell me how are these guys going to measure, photograph and record the length of two fish at the same timeand get them released without killing them?
01-07-2009 02:35 PM
Jim Ordway Fiddle,
I guess you are supporting the fact that that the co's have no dog in the fight. They have no reason to lie for the pro or themselves. At some point you have to give people credit for integrity.
A pro would not risk his good name and career by attemping to coerce a co to lie for him or her.
Opportunities for people to illegally cull or keep snagged fish have alway existed, but I do not recall instances of events such as those determining the result of any PWT or FLW tourney.
I do recall problems a couple of team events over the years do to complicity of the partners. That said, I still am not concerned about competing and losing to a pair of crooks.

And as for Yeppers, you have the ability to trash talk, and you represent the worst of the anonymous user. You are a sad and inconsiderate bore.

Take care,
01-07-2009 12:27 PM
fiddlestyx Measuring isn't that hard, trusting that everyone is measuring correctly is another thing. I just did a test to validate in my mind how fudging of length could occur. WHy? invest $1750 in a tourney and follow the rules only to have someone else win or beat you by ... not following them, not a confidence builder!

Took a stuffed fish (like you'd win at a fair) 18" used the common ruler we all use for validating length, The Judge, and held it on the board as we would do in a tourney, with 2 hands. I had a friend take three photos from over my right shoulder, maxxing the length of the fish to fill the frame (remember 18" means reletively close). After each photo I repositioned the fish without the photographer knowing, varying the length by over 1/2". I confirmed with my friend what the length was before each photo, after looking at the photos, I asked him to confirm that by the photos,and visual inspection before the shot, the longest length measurement was the right one, looking closely he did, zooming in on the tail and the head.

Why the length difference? the nose of the fish was off the board but undetectable by a photo, even zoomed in with a 14 megapixal camera on a 18" fish. Not only that it was verified by him prior to the pic and this person fishes tournaments but I didn't tell him what I was planning to do. Once I told him, he still couldn't tell the fish was 1/2" off the bump end of the bd from the photo.

Whats the point? co anglers are expected to be marshalls to validate the measurements, I counter that it doesn't make a difference who does it. When big money is involved people will do things to gain advantages that aren't neccessarily according to all the rules. If in a controlled environment, with an experienced tournament angler, I can vary my length by 1/2" on 1 fish, add it up, thats 2 1/2" per day,
or 7 1/2" per tourney! criticize my process if you will but it is reality folks. Smaller money tourneys would tempt less to fudge, but don't tell me it won't happen, it will!

Beat me fair and square, I'll pat you on the back and congratulate you and try that much harder the next time. But don't beat me on an unlevel playing field, I won't stoop to cheat to win. Unfortunately this format opens up the opportunity to fudge that we all hoped wouldn't happen.

Peace Love, Peace Love
01-07-2009 10:23 AM
ruler
not total length

No they are not total length tourneys. Each fish will be measured and a weight wil be calculated for each individual fish. Lets say a guy gets 4 30" fish, each fish' calculated weight is 10lbs. He has a total of 40lbs. Now the next guy has 5 fish, 3 @ 30" and 2 @ 15". Same total length as the other guy but each of his 15" fish are calculated @ 1.5lbs each for a total weight of 33lbs. I don't believe you will see allot of ties after a 3 day tourney.
These tourney WILL be exciting. Lets loose the tunnel vision and open up our minds. Personally I don't think measuring and taking a photo is gonna be that hard.
Getting the kids ready for school on time...HARD, measuring and taking a photo...not Hard.
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