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10-07-2021 01:29 PM
ToThe Woods HAT TRICK


Couldn't say how many deer I have harvested Friday after Thanksgiving. In the last 10 years probably 70%. Know there are many more over the other 30 years.


At my property in NW Wisconsin I am in the middle of 3 packs of wolves. The boundary is a river to the west, a swamp to the north, and another swamp to the east. That being said we don't see a lot of wolf activity and do see a lot of coyote around the area of the farm. Rule is if you see coyote the wolf doesn't live there. If your seeing fox your in wolf country. When I venture the few miles in any of these directions we do see wolf on the cameras often. These three packs have a fairly small territory as they are somewhat encroached on each other but are also encroached on by a bigger pack to the west and another to the east. There is another to the south with a rather large territory but they do not come too far north most of the time.They do venture in to my immediate area on occasion and then return to their home territory. From what I have seen from winter tracking is that most of this venturing out is to check territory boundaries. One group of 3 that I caught tracks in fresh snow wandered in from the east to the far east border of the western pack. Laid a scent line and returned to their territory all in the matter of 3 or 4 hours.
10-07-2021 12:57 PM
Hat Trick
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Originally Posted by ToThe Woods View Post
You really should stick to what YOU know. When was the last time you were at a registration station looking at all these deer? Wolves are an apex predator on the Wisconsin landscape. While taking down a adult deer for a single animal is difficult it can be and is done quite often. Whether this be in deep snow or the heat of summer a wolf can and will kill healthy deer year round with ease. Wolves have the advantage of stamina and will run a deer down for hours to the point of exhaustion. At that point there isn't much fight left in the deer and once on the ground the deer is eaten alive. They also prey on BEAR regularly as well.


Killing the bear dogs and pets is not about prey but about competition and territory. Those animals are competition to the food source.


Maybe these coyote sized "wolves" are just that.... coyotes
Well other than the "Registration Station" comment, I believe he's right. I also believe you're right. My family lives in NW WI and hunt there as well. Right in the heart of "wolf country" Wolves have a large home range circling where the food is. (shocker right?) I have probably 1/2 dozen cameras up from September 1 through Jan 1 and my son and buddies have that many as well. We don't get wolves every day. Sometimes not even every week. But there are tons of coyotes on the cams. There certainly is no shortage of them. Bear either. I probably have the same amount of bears as wolves throughout the season. Let's call it a dozen cams spread out over a 2 mile'ish square.

As far as hunters not being good at what they do....Most aren't. I hunt every day except Thanksgiving during the 9 day gun season. Opening day is....well, opening day. Depending on when the Packers play on Sunday, hunters in the woods drop significantly. What I've seen is opening day and Friday after Thanksgiving are the busiest days in the woods. Also the days I typically see the most deer.
10-06-2021 07:57 PM
Suzuki
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Originally Posted by gbin View Post
WI DNR doesn't claim that cougars don't exist in the state. In fact, they regularly report sightings of these animals on their website (click on the tab labeled "Sightings"):

https://dnr.wisconsin.gov/topic/Wild...at/cougar.html

Quoting them:

"While there have been several verified sightings of cougars in Wisconsin in recent years, there is currently no evidence that they are breeding here."

Biologically, there's a world of difference between having an animal occasionally show up somewhere and having a viable population of them residing there. These folks are actual biologists, so of course they make note of that difference.

Gerry
My friend saw a young couger in the road by our cabin 3 weeks ago.
10-06-2021 02:19 PM
ToThe Woods
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Originally Posted by C&K View Post
Make no mistake, wolf season doesn't make any difference to many of the people that live here. I don't know the exact number that get shot on sight, wolf season or not, but it's quite a few.

The wolf packs are just another "managed animal" for the DNR that they can sell hunting tags for. There's a lot more hoopla over them than they deserve because they're not that numerous. Even if they got 100 of 'em in a 5+ county area like Zone 1 that's not great numbers compared to the number of hunting tags they sell.

They are not the majestic creatures the tree huggers and news media makes them out to be - they are vermin scavengers to survive, nothing more than overgrown coyotes. They are so desperate for food most of the time when fawns aren't easy to get that they'll even attack and eat people's pet dogs or bear hounds. It takes a sizable pack to bring down an adult deer, the packs here are small and splintered. The deer hunters blame the wolves for low deer numbers, but the hunters only need to look in the mirror for the main problem - the number of does and yearling fawns that goes thru the registration stations every year tells the story on that. If you just want to shoot deer, stick the agricultural areas down south - that's where most of the deer live.

You really should stick to what YOU know. When was the last time you were at a registration station looking at all these deer? Wolves are an apex predator on the Wisconsin landscape. While taking down a adult deer for a single animal is difficult it can be and is done quite often. Whether this be in deep snow or the heat of summer a wolf can and will kill healthy deer year round with ease. Wolves have the advantage of stamina and will run a deer down for hours to the point of exhaustion. At that point there isn't much fight left in the deer and once on the ground the deer is eaten alive. They also prey on BEAR regularly as well.


Killing the bear dogs and pets is not about prey but about competition and territory. Those animals are competition to the food source.


Maybe these coyote sized "wolves" are just that.... coyotes
10-06-2021 11:51 AM
C&K Make no mistake, wolf season doesn't make any difference to many of the people that live here. I don't know the exact number that get shot on sight, wolf season or not, but it's quite a few.

The wolf packs are just another "managed animal" for the DNR that they can sell hunting tags for. There's a lot more hoopla over them than they deserve because they're not that numerous. Even if they got 100 of 'em in a 5+ county area like Zone 1 that's not great numbers compared to the number of hunting tags they sell.

They are not the majestic creatures the tree huggers and news media makes them out to be - they are vermin scavengers to survive, nothing more than overgrown coyotes. They are so desperate for food most of the time when fawns aren't easy to get that they'll even attack and eat people's pet dogs or bear hounds. It takes a sizable pack to bring down an adult deer, the packs here are small and splintered. The deer hunters blame the wolves for low deer numbers, but the hunters only need to look in the mirror for the main problem - the number of does and yearling fawns that goes thru the registration stations every year tells the story on that. If you just want to shoot deer, stick the agricultural areas down south - that's where most of the deer live.
10-06-2021 10:24 AM
gbin
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Originally Posted by Net_Man View Post
If am dead against bear hunting with dogs which you will surely be exposed to in the north woods of Wisconsin. I however find no reason to mock and try to come up with the mental state of some one that decides to pursue this type of endeavor.
I myself hunt, and my dog joins me in hunting upland birds and waterfowl. (If I ever go bear hunting I'll leave her at home.) I'm fine with hunting for wolves if it's done within the guidelines of sound wildlife science and management. But it's not really about hunting for these guys who are gung ho about killing wolves, it's about the tandem of hysterical fear and macho hero fantasy. I didn't make it so and I don't like it being so - those are TERRIBLE reasons for taking up a gun and killing things with it - but I'm not going to refrain from accurately identifying it so. They make all hunters look bad.

Gerry
10-06-2021 10:06 AM
Net_Man If am dead against bear hunting with dogs which you will surely be exposed to in the north woods of Wisconsin. I however find no reason to mock and try to come up with the mental state of some one that decides to pursue this type of endeavor.
10-06-2021 09:43 AM
gbin
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Originally Posted by C&K View Post
... Judging by the number of pickups running around with dog boxes in the back, and hunters jabbering on unlicensed marine radios and 2 meter ham you'd think they had some soft of military operation going on.
The macho hero fantasy and the soldier boy fantasy are close kin, and many of those guys indulge in both.

Gerry
10-06-2021 09:39 AM
Net_Man Until 1 year ago I/we had owned 75 acres in the Poplar Wisconsin area which we owned for approx. 20 years. We purchased this property for deer hunting and recreational purposes.

My 1st take on this area is if you desire seclusion then you surely could achieve that. However, if you desired some contact with people I found the bulk of them to be friendlier than in my home area of the Minnesota metro. If you desired a shopping experience you were pretty limited unless you travelled to the Duluth Superior area.

When we 1st purchased the property we seen deer and you were allowed to harvest does or bucks. In our earlier youth we had harvested many deer in other areas but when we purchased this property our desire to pull the trigger came less often. Then the deer population in this region went down and you were allowed to harvest bucks only. Our personal encounters with deer also went down in line with the reduced allowed harvest.

I believe my 1st experience with wolves on this property was approx. 12 years ago. A pack of 11 passed through while I was on a stand. They passed single file in front of me at approx. 70 yards. These were beautiful animals and looked to be quite healthy. Since then I only seen a individual animals approx. once a season.

I started to run cameras at one point in time. Photos only on the original cameras then switched to video when that became a standard feature. The cameras only showed individual wolves occasionally. Also showing up on the cameras were plenty of bear with a occasional bobcat. I never seen a cougar on camera and glad I did not. Seeing one might have put a end to my occasional wondering at night.
10-06-2021 08:06 AM
C&K
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Originally Posted by Fin Bender View Post
Not sure what's up with you man, it was 53 in 48 hours. It opened on Feb 22nd. The DNR announced on feb. 23rd at 3pm that the zone would close on Feb 24th at 3pm, which fulfilled the statute that 24 hours notice be given before closure. Here's the numbers for you:
Sorry, I had quoted the number that came in thru the registration station here. The majority of wolves that I saw were scrawny half-starved 2 year olds no bigger than a full grown coyote. Even the pelts were mangy on some them and not all that great. Judging by the number of pickups running around with dog boxes in the back, and hunters jabbering on unlicensed marine radios and 2 meter ham you'd think they had some soft of military operation going on.
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