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Old 06-27-2021, 07:43 AM
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Interesting discussion about the topic.
What I haven’t heard is a clear problem definition. Without that, meaningful or proper root cause analysis and resolution will not be achieved.

One aspect of the situation that doesn’t seem to garner any attention is tourism. What makes the state the most money is going to win, if anything other than kicking the can down the road is done.

At the same time, no one talks about how walleyes in the upper Red ruined the great crappie population. Then the indians were allowed to net way more and now both species aren’t so great.

For LOW, just how many overnight fishhouse dinners are being fried? It’s probably not as many as being purported. Same goes with locals fishing: most of us have/had personal minimums. Mine was 16”, most I knew were about 14”. Out of staters seem to keep the 12’s and maybe less but you expect that with high license fees.

Anyway, carry on, interesting conversation.
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Old 06-28-2021, 08:17 AM
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Spot on about needing to define a specific problem before implementing a solution.



Regarding Red Lake, one dominant crappie year class in a decade of low Walleye abundance provided a heck of a good fishery, but how long can you reasonably expect a year class to persist while waiting and hoping to repeat those same ideal environmental conditions on a large windswept lake better suited for Walleye reproduction?
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Old 06-28-2021, 04:09 PM
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What I havenít heard is a clear problem definition. Without that, meaningful or proper root cause analysis and resolution will not be achieved.
This was a massive failure by the guest on the radio show. He should have been hammering the point that walleye are getting smaller in Minnesota. The opponents of the bill got lucky that no one brought it up and they could let sleeping dogs lie. It would also be a good counter to the tourism argument. How many people will continue to vacation in MN and catch 12" walleye when they can drive a couple more hours and catch much bigger fish in ON? Little fish are ok when you're not used to success but they get old fast. The boom resorts are seeing now won't last and they'll be screaming for the state to do something to draw those tourists back, like tourists having other options is the state's fault. Remains to be seen if the backers of this bill are better prepared next time.
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Old 06-28-2021, 05:59 PM
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This was a massive failure by the guest on the radio show. He should have been hammering the point that walleye are getting smaller in Minnesota. The opponents of the bill got lucky that no one brought it up and they could let sleeping dogs lie. It would also be a good counter to the tourism argument. How many people will continue to vacation in MN and catch 12" walleye when they can drive a couple more hours and catch much bigger fish in ON? Little fish are ok when you're not used to success but they get old fast. The boom resorts are seeing now won't last and they'll be screaming for the state to do something to draw those tourists back, like tourists having other options is the state's fault. Remains to be seen if the backers of this bill are better prepared next time.

Perhaps he didn't hammer that point because he had no data to back it up. We could argue if Walleye are, or are not, getting smaller in MN and solve nothing, but DNR actually collects that kind of data on hundreds of lakes each year. Since DNR supported the bill, if their data showed a declining trend in Walleye size don't you think they would have brought that to the table?
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Old 06-29-2021, 03:17 AM
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A fundamental concern is that both sides of this issue was not aired in equal proportions, only the opinion to reduce the walleye limit to four received abundant air time. IF the media constantly sends a message that our walleye populations are in decline anglers begin to believe it. The 4 walleye legislation must go down the same road as all previous regulations. Not trying to diminish the endorsements from the highly respected elite and celebrity anglers, however, the science must be shared equally of importance in the discussion.
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Old 06-29-2021, 05:40 AM
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Then why did Ontario do it ?

That would be a good question for Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources. Were there indicators of decline in some important population parameters or just reaction to a percieved increase in fishing pressure?
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Old 06-29-2021, 05:54 AM
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A fundamental concern is that both sides of this issue was not aired in equal proportions, only the opinion to reduce the walleye limit to four received abundant air time. IF the media constantly sends a message that our walleye populations are in decline anglers begin to believe it. The 4 walleye legislation must go down the same road as all previous regulations. Not trying to diminish the endorsements from the highly respected elite and celebrity anglers, however, the science must be shared equally of importance in the discussion.

Nobody has more media available to it then the DNR.

Transparency isn't a word the DNR endorses. Lack of information distributed to the public is a crutch the DNR never can use.
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Old 06-29-2021, 11:43 AM
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Nobody has more media available to it then the DNR.

Transparency isn't a word the DNR endorses. Lack of information distributed to the public is a crutch the DNR never can use.
Again, from an outsiders perspective thatís a real problem here. Not living there and following this week in and week out I donít have a lot of the background but... thereís definitely the appearance that some agendas on all sides produced not entirely, shall we say, accurate information. Iíve seen that happen several times when overzealous citizens step on the toes of management professionals. And also when there are changes in the hierarchy of a department and the new leadership has different biases than the old. Below is a screen shot from the MNDNR website and it paints a very different picture than what is being reported here as their position. To be fair, the web page also makes it clear that not all causes are known or what the ultimate solution(s) might be. The two factors that the DNR has the most control over are regulations and using their bully pulpit to change attitudes. They did the opposite in this case and encouraged the problem they point out in the screen shot. Best of luck to you in MN, I think things are going to get worse before they get better.
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Old 07-08-2021, 04:36 AM
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Over the last two weeks bumped into people that read this post, sharing with me how much they got out of all the comments.

thanks to all who weighed in and followed it
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