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You're post has to be one of the funniest attempts at a "troll" that I've ever seen!!!! It seems as though you look at Evinrude as the only brand playing in outboards! What about all the other brands that have motors in the hunt as well?? Merc, Suz, Honda are they going away as well?? And why would you feel that E-tec is "going down"? I think you might want to look at consumer wants from market studies to understand what things are really important for engine buyers and what companies are doing to meet those needs. I leave that for you to do your own research as I have. To me it looks as if the Yam has a product that will meet some of the desires of "some" bass boaters (primarily sponsored anglers that had nothing after HPDI) and very few performance boaters. Face it, Yam lost the HPDI in most of their line up, that means that all the Skeeters (bass) out there would have no motor to put o those transoms. This will allow coverage in those areas. No gain in sales there. Bass boaters are inherently performance (in this case SPEED) oriented. If it's 3 mph slower than the competition it's slow. It doesn't matter if its "better" its still slow. no gain in sales here in fact maybe even losing some sales due to technology beliefs and performance. Is it "game changing??? I think not. Why? Bottom line is this engine is getting closer to two stroke performance but from what I have read on it it still is slower than 2 strokes. Although it has good hole-shot, most bass and many walleye anglers want the best performing engine out there. Is it a better 4 stroke than before , sounds like it may be, but still well short of what the best in class performance is. Does that mean it's a bad product, no. Does it mean that you'll see wholesale changes in buyers to this new engine? no. Chevy buyers like Chevy Ford buyers like Ford People that want performance for bass boats, will still buy the best performing engine regardless of technology, which at this time is still a 2 stroke direct injected engine. Did we all forget when Verado came out how it was going to be the best thing ever for all boats including bass??? How it was THE engine at the BASS Classic for exactly one (1) year. Why, performance on that hull. The now defunct B & WB Magazine touted it (verado) and actually showed (in a test) it was faster and better fuel economy than the Optimax, Did we believe it? Some did but when it didn't perform to what people thought and read then it became mainly an offshore engine and some multispecies applications.It also was not better in GPH or MPG than an Opti, Nor was it faster, not even close! I see this as possibly the same situation as Yam has a lot to lose if this doesn't gain a quick following in the key bass market. Careful of believing the stated weight as well, I'd be surprised if the engine is as stated "no 2 stroke engines in its class are lighter" Also keep in mind that none of the other 2 companies are going to stop development of their product either so, my thouht is come out with a "game changer" it better be the BEST in all categories, otherwise it's just improved technology Just my take... although lengthy, Better to look in the pool before jumping rather than trust the poolman. |
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Really? you don't know the facts
Hey Really,
I got a good chuckle out of your comparison on this new Yamaha engine and the Verado. Please. There is no comparison between these two engines or the companies that produce them. I said E-Tec is going down, I didn't say anything about Merc, Suz, or Honda. They all have investments in 4 stroke technology. Yamaha is a company that doesn't build up a lot of phony hype or use "info-mercial" advertising like E-Tec. All I can say is don't judge this new engine until you've actually driven it. From what you've already posted I can tell you haven't. I can understand where many people will not think this engine is "best in class" because of the belief out there that a 4 stroke is unable to outperform a 2 stroke. I just think it will be great to see this belief system shattered once people get behind the wheel of a boat with the SHO on it. This is not hype, this is not verado, this is the real deal. |
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The above banter is an obvious reason to go to a registered only format, like many sites!!!!! We wouldn't have to listen to this kind of garbage!!! Competition will make all motors better in the long run. If everyone sat around making the same stuff, we would be all running mosquito killing carbed 2 strokes!!! Give it a rest!
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BW,
THough I agree with most of your post, I still don't think registration is a good idea as all it will do is turn the site into a rather vanilla and may not bring out as many widespread opinions as it does now. Yes I am one of the "no-name posters" but I hope my post earlier was not too critical however I still stand by my basic premise that 4 stroke companies will have the most to lose. Is product development and improvement a good thing for all consumers? Definetly, will I buy into something before it has the ability to perform as a "production" engine rather than a one off or hand built model? No Chance! we've seen it before and it will continue. Let the buyer beware. |
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Maybe try to use a login name or something different than GUEST!!! That will help us to tell one from the other???? thanks
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Howdy,
"Guests" contribute to this site like Linda McCartney contributed to Wings or AMF contributed to Harley-Davidson. I am totally in favor of going to an all registered site. As far as adding some spice to an otherwise vanilla forum, please, there are plenty of idiots already register, my self included, who can fill that role. Take care, Ruddiger |
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I am in the market to repower my 1700 Prosport Lund. I have checked with all the dealers that I can and tried to compare, based on what they are all telling me about their perticular product. They tend to trash talk the copmpetitors product whilst promoting their own as to be the lastest and greatest thing since going to the moon. I expect that. They are in the market of selling the stuff.
I since have went around the internet in places like this hoping to find people who have used whatever model and provide their own personal experience so as I can finalise my purchase. Don't want to get into something without all the facts. Good or bad. This it seems, is not possible. These threads on whatever subject, beyond the first pages becomes a childhood schoolyard fight. Mostly by people who know a guy with a bad product. Or they have some deep seeded issue with the company. There was even one guy who posted a picture of the ETEC engine smoking like it was on fire. Like I'm too stupid to see he is fogging is engine. Having been in business (not this business) for sometime, I can usually can smell a rat when I see one. It would appear to me that once one of these thread gets started you get a bunch of dealers on here squabbling about the other guys product. Therefore I believe these are an absolute waste of time beyond the first page. Of course some Einstien out there will be wondering why would I then post anything. SO EVERYONE ELSE WILL KNOW DA. Have a great day. P.S. with so much bad talk about the ETEC and absolutely NO PROOF, I think I have made my choice, and here I had my heart set on a four stroke. |
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These threads are funny. Everyone now days makes a good motor and everyone now days lets a bad one slip by now and then. IF I where the purchaser I would have to go with the dealer I trust and his recommendations, especially if he sells all the brands.
One thing I do find odd, is that ETEC owners are always up for a fight over their motors, much more so than Opti/Vrod owners, and the Yamaha and Suzuki crowd even less so. Something to hide or something to prove??
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Motor Wars
Guys, Im the 1st to admit Ive posted some pretty Aggresive things in the past, but I believed all of my info, and have seen it. On the 115hp side a consumer has some fine motors to choose from. However alot of the "Industry Pros" will tell ya that OMC/BRP have the best basis for a mid range torquey motor, the V4, **** Yamaha even copied it.....The Asian 4stroke brands are all very nice, with the Yamaha F115 4stroke being the strongest, and that motor has been out for ever...If you have great Honda service, Or Suzuki then I would definitely give them a shot, however most folks dont even test drive motors and boats......Brannon
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