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Old 09-22-2021, 02:44 PM
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The wolves are just vermin. The big cats keep 'em under control too. We got about a 180 lb cat that we see every now and then right out our back door when he's out on patrol. The wolves and coyotes don't get along with the big cats. The cat finds one in what it considers to be its territory, the cat will kill 'em on sight. The cats don't bother pets or hounds unless somebody is stupid enough to try to chase one. They got so many deer to eat, any time they want one, they are pretty fat and happy here.
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Old 09-22-2021, 02:56 PM
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The wolves are just vermin. The big cats keep 'em under control too. We got about a 180 lb cat that we see every now and then right out our back door when he's out on patrol. The wolves and coyotes don't get along with the big cats. The cat finds one in what it considers to be its territory, the cat will kill 'em on sight. The cats don't bother pets or hounds unless somebody is stupid enough to try to chase one. They got so many deer to eat, any time they want one, they are pretty fat and happy here.
Do U have a pic U can post?
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Old 09-22-2021, 03:06 PM
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It's rare when I don't see wolf tracks when running my dogs on county land. Had one stalk us Grouse hunting a few years ago. I had to heal my dog back to the truck. Friend recently saw a young couger near our cabin. Bears galore. It's awesome until you don't see any deer while hunting them.

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Old 09-22-2021, 03:12 PM
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Yeah, we got a couple photos of him. Must be in a different computer, can't find 'em in this one. Few years ago the DNR had the wild idea to try to catch one they seen over by Spooner there someplace and put a collar on it. But they never did catch it. They treed it once and shot it with a dart, which failed to stop it. The cat leaped like 30 feet over the dogs and left the scene and it was smart by then - it wouldn't tree no more. They chased it into the swamps and jungle of the North Woods and lost the track. Then the DNR, obviously outsmarted by the cat, said they gave up on it because the cat was "stressed out". The cat wasn't "stressed out" - it was more like long gone. Them cats can reach speeds of 50 mph thru brush so thick it takes dogs and people a whole day to get thru it. They are extremely powerful, but quite beautiful animals. We kinda like having 'em here.

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Old 09-22-2021, 03:16 PM
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Oh, the locals that live here have seen the cats now and then for the last 50 years. Dick Kaner seen one crossing highway 48 right by the radio stations once. The DNR always claimed they don't exist. They finally had to admit they were wrong.
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Old 09-22-2021, 03:42 PM
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It's rare when I don't see wolf tracks when running my dogs on county land. Had one stalk us Grouse hunting a few years ago. I had to heal my dog back to the truck. Friend recently saw a young couger near our cabin. Bears galore. It's awesome until you don't see any deer while hunting them.
The bears don't bother the deer unless they can catch a fawn in the spring. Neither do the wolves - they can't catch an adult deer unless they got deep snow. But the wolf packs are pretty hard on the fawns. The cats live almost exclusively on deer - they take one down whenever they get hungry. The wolves and coyotes (and sometimes a bear) eat anything the cat leaves. It is almost impossible to find a cat kill - other scavengers clean it up and there's nothing left except maybe the skull and a little hair laying around.

The biggest predator on deer is humans, both with cars and guns. Every year we get a big influx of 'em that don't live here, and there's more orange in the woods than there is deer, and they shoot anything that moves.

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Old 09-22-2021, 05:34 PM
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Old 09-22-2021, 08:15 PM
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The past two years in Douglas County the wolves have killed more deer than humans have hunting them. Wolves feed on adult deer year round without issue. They run them to exhaustion. The wives tail that they only kill the weak and sick is a complete myth. In the thick north woods wolves hunt by scent not sight. Meaning they get on a hot scent and run it down.
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The past two years in Douglas County the wolves have killed more deer than humans have hunting them.
I believe this was a misinformation campaign run by a certain Lauri Groskopf. The wolves are just another DNR-managed animal, a revenue source to sell hunting tags because they draw a high number of out-of-staters at $251 a crack. For those that live in the various wolf zones in the North Woods the wolves have a high mortality rate from natural causes - usually lead poisoning, which is quite common in the North Woods due to the high concentration of lead in the air. They only got 37 in all of zone 1 running them with dogs after selling 1,100 tags. That's because the wolf numbers are not even close to what they claim. Wolves are noisy, stupid animals that can't survive outside the pack. They'll go after beef calves in a fenced pasture before they'll go to all the work to try to take down an adult deer when there's not deep snow, and then they usually die from the lead poisoning. The packs are quite small - usually only 3 or 4.

These are your main deer consumer outside of humans in the North Woods. A 180-200 lb cat takes down an adult deer about once every 3 days and it's all they eat. They only come out and hunt at night and there's way more of them than people think. But they are rarely seen during the day. These are not your scrawny western-states cats that have difficulty finding food and feeding their cubs. They are the absolute apex predator of the Wisconsin North Woods and they will track down and kill any coyote or wolf pack that dares intrude on what the cat considers to be its "territory". 50 years of living here and hunting in the North Woods, we find remnants of cat kills all the time. Cat kills are different from wolf pack kills - the cat only eats the choice parts, then goes and gets a fresh one. They don't actually eat the coyotes or wolves they kill. They'll carry those to the edge of their "territory", scratch a bunch of leaves and sticks over it and take a piss on it. Cat piss has a really strong smell that even a human can pick up a couple hundred feet downwind. That's supposed to be a warning to the ones still walking to keep out.

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When a cat kills a wild dog they don't kill 'em right away. The cats can run 40-50 mph in a short 1/2 mile burst - if they get one in their sights there is no escape. They'll break its back and let it suffer for awhile. Sometimes the cat will even appear to leave and watch the wild dog from a distance while it drags itself around on its front legs yipping and whining. When the cat gets tired of it, it grabs the wild dog by the neck in back of the head, bites thru and it's all done. Taking down a deer they'll break the deer's back, then grab it by the throat and suffocate it. Same thing as the wild dogs, there's no whitetail deer that can outrun a big cat. Deer can only run about 30 mph. The cat can run 10-20 mph faster than that, it outweighs the deer by usually around 40-50 lbs and it is immensely more powerful with weapons built into its feet and jaws. It's why the cats never bother cattle in this area. There humans involved with cattle and the cats avoid humans like the plague - and their main food supply is easy prey.
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Old 10-05-2021, 09:07 AM
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Wow only 37 in all of zone 1??? They must all be in a 25 square mile area around my hunting area then. NOT. FYI the cats that are in the area and yes there are a few will feed off a carcass until it is gone. They will bury or cover it and return later to feed off it again. It's a numbers game they are not going to expend energy they don't need to with food easily available to them.
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